Star Wars mystery

Who is Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas?

Wednesday, May 25, 2005 by MikeB314 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

So, Episode 3 has been out for about a week now, and while I intend to see it in the theater a second time, I don't recall a certain question being answered. There may have been brief mention of it, but I'll have to see it again to find out if I overlooked something. The question is this. Who commissioned the creation of the clone army?

In Epidose 2, the cloners on Kamino informed Obi-Wan that Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas had requested the clone army and asked if he was still a member of the Jedi Council. Obi-Wan says that Sifo-Dyas was killed 10 years prior, which was the time of Episode 1. Jango Fett, who served as the template for the clones, tells Obi-Wan that he was hired by Tyrannus (Count Dooku's Sith name). There's the back story as I remember it.

So who was Sifo-Dyas and did he really commission the clone army? Was it Dooku or Palpatine impersonating him? If not, what was his motivation? Was he in league with the Sith? Was he an unsuspecting victim of a Sith plot? It's clear that Palpatine and Dooku were aware of the clones and that they were part of the master plan, but exactly how they came to be is still a mystery to me. Episode 3 answered most of my questions, but this one is still puzzling.

GhoS
Reply #1 Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:49 PM
I assumed it was Palpatine who really ordered their creation as he was able to give them new orders without any problem. The Jedi being told that a Jedi had commissioned the clones would never think that the clones could turn against them. However they must have had some internal programming that with the right code Palpatine unlocked. At least it seemed to me that is what happened.

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MikeB314
Reply #2 Wednesday, May 25, 2005 3:06 PM

Palpatine definately seemed to have a code word that set off the clones. I also got the impression that it had been pre-programmed in them.

Another thing I just thought of... who erased the planet Kamino from the Jedi archives? It was determined that only a Jedi could have done that. Dooku before he left the Jedi order, perhaps?

horiz0n
Reply #3 Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:09 PM
I want to know why 1 random time of using lightning, compared to the other 3 or 4 times caused deformation. Was it the purple lightsaber?!

And how did a senator's daughter, adopted by some other random politician then become a princess.

Or how about in a lost hope, when obi wan gives luke a lightsaber and says it was his fathers, when did he get that?

And the biggest mystery, why couldn't the other star wars be as good as the 3rd?
Island Dog
Reply #4 Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:28 PM
Or how about in a lost hope, when obi wan gives luke a lightsaber and says it was his fathers, when did he get that?


After the final fight with Annekin, Obi-wan picks the lightsaber up and takes it with him.


horiz0n
Reply #5 Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:47 PM
tada, I so forgot that, I was just thinking he was keeping it away from him at the moment. Btw, hell of a swing at that moment eh? How about this mystery, what happened to those appendages? Or is the mystery on that one solved with a pg13

And why didn't boba fett make any kind of appearance? T_T
MikeB314
Reply #6 Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:51 AM

I want to know why 1 random time of using lightning, compared to the other 3 or 4 times caused deformation. Was it the purple lightsaber?!

I'm guessing Mace Windu was forcing some of that lightening back at Palpatine. Their battle was also at very close range.

And how did a senator's daughter, adopted by some other random politician then become a princess.

Senator Bail Organa, who adopted Leia, was the head of the royal family on his home planet of Alderaan. That is why Leia was a princess.

And why didn't boba fett make any kind of appearance?

Episode 3 seems to take place about 5 years after Episode 2, in which Boba Fett is a small boy. I'm not sure he had grown up to be the bounty hunter of the original trilogy yet.

horiz0n
Reply #7 Thursday, May 26, 2005 1:20 PM
Maybe Palpatine was just overly excerted? He looked a little stressed...

With Boba Fett, I knew he'd still be like a teen or something. But I just wanted to see him for a few, or have mention as to his name or what he'd be doing. Just so it would seem he was still in the picture. Since he was last made note of holding his Dads head in II, then no mention in III or IV, then comes out of nowhere in V, and apparetly Han Solo had previous encounters with him working with Jabba, I just wish they woulda fitted that in there somehow.

I was hoping to see Qui Gon for a minute or two as well

And Aayla Secura died

Really really good movie though.
GhoS
Reply #8 Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:19 PM
Actually I was reading a book and it mentioned that a Sifa-Dyus (not sure of spelling) was the Jedi who first got the clones started, before Dooku (Darth Tyrannus) took over. Much mystery still in that area I think.

As for Palpatine's permanent change, I had wondered that myself. Since he appeared in that guise as Darth Sidius. He was so scared of dying at the hands of Windu, truly desperate for his life.

I heard they wanted to have Qui Gon moment as he was briefly mentioned at the end, but perhaps due to time they cut it out.

I also heard they wanted to have us meet a young Han, but couldn't work it in.

It is a shame that Episodes 1 and 2 couldn't have been more like 3. I suppose they had so much back story to develop that Lucas lost his way some. Ep. 3 really does well tidying things up, however I left with an empty feeling because there was no "happy" ending. It doesn't feel like the end of a trilogy (which I suppose is its intention in a way), it just ends. Still it had some exciting moments and I plan to see it again before it comes on DVD.


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GhoS
Reply #9 Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:19 PM
Darn net. Site decided to go slow while I posted and doubled it oops...
ZubaZ
Reply #10 Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:59 PM
I am pretty sure I saw the Falcon landing at one point . . .

And since we're asking questions . . . [SPOILER follows]

Did Palpy's master create Anakin? During the ballet (?) the senator said that his master was powerful enough to create life through midichlorians. It would explain why Anakin was predisposed to fear, anger, suffering.
BluDrgnBoi
Reply #11 Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:38 PM
i think that when palpatine was talking about the sith master that could control life and was killed(possibly by palpatine-it was his master) while he slept was the one that created the clone army. when palpatine figured he wasnt able to control the full power of the force is why he turned anakin (which was a result of the life control force mentened in the movie- also the balance of the force that was supposed to be anakin's balanced the force was when he had children- luke and leia); and the reason why amidala died was anakin had a mental link with her and when he was inclosed in the life support outfit (noticed she died just as the helmet was sealed) and knowing she didnt want vader coming after her or the kids when she found him out.
Bob Barker
Reply #12 Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:01 PM
Since he was last made note of holding his Dads head in II, then no mention in III or IV, then comes out of nowhere in V


Actually, Boba Fett did make an appearance in Episode IV, he was included in a scene originally deleted from the film but added again by Lucas for the 1997 Special Edition. In the scene where Jabba the Hutt was calling for Han at the docking bay at Mos Eisley, Boba Fett can be seen skulking around with the other bounty hunters. As far as I'm concerned, though, Boba Fett was nothing more than a bit player who deserved to end up in the Salaac pit on Tatooine. Way to go, Han!

As far as the ordering of the clones is concerned, I always assumed that Dooku actually killed Sifo-Dyas and used his name to order the clones and erase the Kamino records from the archives prior to leaving the Jedi ranks. This would have accounted for the hiring of Jango Fett by "Tyrannus" as well.
CerebroJD
Reply #13 Friday, May 27, 2005 1:22 AM
Isnt Boba Fett seen in a scene with Vader at some point, being hired? I thought that was Ep4...
kona0197
Reply #14 Friday, May 27, 2005 2:56 AM
Cerebro: I think that was in Ep5 - Empire Strikes Back.
MikeB314
Reply #15 Friday, May 27, 2005 7:29 AM
I thought Palpatine's master told him a story about a Sith who could create life... Either way, that's an intriguing idea given that Anakin was reportedly conceived without a father.
joeKnowledge
Reply #16 Friday, May 27, 2005 4:22 PM
so from what I am reading, in episode 3 it is discovered that Anakin was just brought to life by the Sith lord prior to Darth Sidius? Why does Darth Sidius (Palpentine) really need Anakin in the first place? How did Anikin survive the fall into the lava?

If the Sith prior to Dark Sidius (Palpentine) could create life, then how did he die?

I didn't remember Anikin having a twin sister.


Anikin had 2 kids, so how come only one had 'the force'?
joeKnowledge
Reply #17 Friday, May 27, 2005 4:32 PM
Also, if Palpentine's master created Anikin, why would he be an orphan on a planet (as a child to a slave from what I remember). Why would he allow such a force to leave his hands?

You know what I want to do? Once all of this goes to DVD, I want to sit down one afternoon and watch the whole thing. From prequel to sequel.

Then the next day, I want to watch all of the Matrix films!


It would be really cool if the Matrix meets Star Wars. I can see it now:

Neo child Cateshish finds out the world they are really in and knows there are other worlds and the reason why they were different from the other humans such that they were 'the one' was because of the force.

Now they can use the force in the real world, but it is different because of the tampering/mix of man and machine for so many centries that now people with the force on Earth are like the X-Men.


It like Star Wars, the Matrix and X-Men all rolled up into one! Star Wars created the Matrix of which created X-Men.
BluDrgnBoi
Reply #18 Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:56 PM
palpentine mentioned that he killed his master while he slept. also the planet was out of teritory with the republic aka jedi counsil and that would also explain why they didnt sense him(you would think that someone of his nature that had a very strong force that the jedi would have felt him); anikin didnt have a sister..that was luke, and she had the force, she just didnt know how to use it or had any training, but in epsd 6, she mentions that she knew she had the force when luke was talking about his family having it.

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