Haven't we "Over Burden" Our Skinners
Just felt that we have
Wednesday, May 18, 2005 by BX | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Hi folks!!!
Since last few days, I am feeling as we have "Over Burderned" our skinners.
For instance, in good old days of win9x and 2000 era, our skinners just had lesser components to customize. They just had to go for start button, task bar, menu bar, title bar, some buttons, and scrollbars (forgive if I have missed something). But now, just imagine how many components they have for customization.
In the same tredition, there were very few icons which needed to be customized but now a "Good" package should have atleast 50+ icons and bust must have over 70 customized icons.
Needs for customizing DX has increased too. Lots of gedgets, objects, layers, and scripting. Logon Studio, cursorXP, Boot screens, and right click have emerged as well ...
What do you folks say about it. ....
Since last few days, I am feeling as we have "Over Burderned" our skinners.
For instance, in good old days of win9x and 2000 era, our skinners just had lesser components to customize. They just had to go for start button, task bar, menu bar, title bar, some buttons, and scrollbars (forgive if I have missed something). But now, just imagine how many components they have for customization.
In the same tredition, there were very few icons which needed to be customized but now a "Good" package should have atleast 50+ icons and bust must have over 70 customized icons.
Needs for customizing DX has increased too. Lots of gedgets, objects, layers, and scripting. Logon Studio, cursorXP, Boot screens, and right click have emerged as well ...
What do you folks say about it. ....
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Apocalypse_67
Reply #22 Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:24 PM
Reply #22 Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:24 PM
Aaaaand..... I hope this topic doesn't derail as we are discussing how much 'busy' the skinners are with all the new features on the skins and not how many blue or pink skins are been uploaded. 
Fairyy~
Reply #23 Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:33 PM
~Glad you saw my point. I doubt he read past the first line.
I know the comments were removed for being " off topic " on site issues - even yours was..
Reply #23 Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:33 PM
| I think ~Fairyy had a good point about male-domination. It would be nice to see more female input in skinning. As to 'that' comment-deleted thread....it had nothing to do with content, other than being allegedly 'off-topic in a site-issue forum'. |
~Glad you saw my point. I doubt he read past the first line.
I know the comments were removed for being " off topic " on site issues - even yours was..
Double Zero
Reply #24 Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:36 PM
Ok, ok..you got me..I was off topic and really, there was no need for the post other than expressing my opinion about another "off topic" remark, and perhaps just as "unreasonable"( and I dont mean Phoons )
I apologize only for that..
But yeah, everyone has an opinion and they arent always accepted by everyone..sometimes not anyone. Also no one says they have to be..
If I misunderstood the whole "Because I am a woman" remarks (I really have no idea how that could happen, they are pretty self explanatory)
Then of course I would apologize..
Anyway, back on topic.. Im done, there isnt anything else really worth commenting or apologizing about....
Reply #24 Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:36 PM
| Every site member has a right to reasonable input |
Ok, ok..you got me..I was off topic and really, there was no need for the post other than expressing my opinion about another "off topic" remark, and perhaps just as "unreasonable"( and I dont mean Phoons )
I apologize only for that..
But yeah, everyone has an opinion and they arent always accepted by everyone..sometimes not anyone. Also no one says they have to be..
If I misunderstood the whole "Because I am a woman" remarks (I really have no idea how that could happen, they are pretty self explanatory)
Then of course I would apologize..
Anyway, back on topic.. Im done, there isnt anything else really worth commenting or apologizing about....
Fairyy~
Reply #25 Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:42 PM
~My first comment was on topic..I said overburdened and underappreciated...
Reply #25 Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:42 PM
| [Apocalypse_67] Aaaaand..... I hope this topic doesn't derail as we are discussing how much 'busy' the skinners are with all the new features on the skins and not how many blue or pink skins are been uploaded |
~My first comment was on topic..I said overburdened and underappreciated...
Phoon
Reply #26 Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:27 PM
Ya know Fairyy, I've never done a thing to you, and your accusation of my critisizing is 100% unfounded and a bold faced lie. You seem to want to start a war with me because I called you on you sexist remarks. So I'll just do you a favor and ignore your babble from now on.. satisfied!
Reply #26 Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:27 PM
| said your the biggest offender of critisizing others work..you cried till you got your comment removed...now who's the girly girl here ? |
Ya know Fairyy, I've never done a thing to you, and your accusation of my critisizing is 100% unfounded and a bold faced lie. You seem to want to start a war with me because I called you on you sexist remarks. So I'll just do you a favor and ignore your babble from now on.. satisfied!
Tananda
Reply #27 Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:14 PM
Reply #27 Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:14 PM
I'm just coming back into skinning fresh and find all the options available, while intimidating at first, very exciting. Its harder yes but that just adds a challenge to it. I look over the progress the skinning community and apps have made over the past 6 years and find it amazing.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #28 Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:07 AM
Reply #28 Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:07 AM
If skinning has become a burden to anyone, they need to find another hobby. 
BX
Reply #29 Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:30 AM
I have sharp eyez now ...
Reply #29 Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:30 AM
| #19 by Admin Jafo Wed, May 18, 2005 7:33 PM Most times if inything is dominated by one or the other it can be restrictive and insular. |
I have sharp eyez now ...
Fairyy~
Reply #30 Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:38 AM
~Your breaking my heart. yeah right.
For the record..your the one that answered my post first with your usual UN-helpful remarks. You may have done nothing to me...but I have seen your comments to others that uploaded a WB that only had 2 stars and was a 1st attempt....your comments were never said in a constructive way. So dont be in my face..truth hurts. Now Toddle off
Reply #30 Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:38 AM
Ya know Fairyy, I've never done a thing to you, and your accusation of my critisizing is 100% unfounded and a bold faced lie. You seem to want to start a war with me because I called you on you sexist remarks. So I'll just do you a favor and ignore your babble from now on.. satisfied! |
~Your breaking my heart. yeah right.
For the record..your the one that answered my post first with your usual UN-helpful remarks. You may have done nothing to me...but I have seen your comments to others that uploaded a WB that only had 2 stars and was a 1st attempt....your comments were never said in a constructive way. So dont be in my face..truth hurts. Now Toddle off
NightTrainthedark
Reply #31 Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:43 AM
Reply #31 Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:43 AM
Let it go. https://www.wincustomize.com/Forums.aspx?ForumID=189&AID=75797#581810
https://www.wincustomize.com/Forums.aspx?ForumID=189&AID=75797#581810
Apocalypse_67
Reply #32 Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:06 AM
Oh, but NT, what better hobby than skinning is there?
The more there is to skin, the harder it will be to skin and the longer it will take...... Ahhh, but how much prettier is going to look.
Reply #32 Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:06 AM
If skinning has become a burden to anyone, they need to find another hobby. |
Oh, but NT, what better hobby than skinning is there?
The more there is to skin, the harder it will be to skin and the longer it will take...... Ahhh, but how much prettier is going to look.
BX
Reply #33 Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:17 AM
This is what I mean to say ... it is the best of the best but hardest hobby of all ...
Reply #33 Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:17 AM
| Oh, but NT, what better hobby than skinning is there? The more there is to skin, the harder it will be to skin and the longer it will take |
This is what I mean to say ... it is the best of the best but hardest hobby of all ...
Fairyy~
Reply #34 Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:13 AM
I'm done..its become a chore fighting to log in today..
Carry on " gentlemen "
Reply #34 Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:13 AM
| Let it go. https://www.wincustomize.com/Forums.aspx?ForumID=189&AID=75797#581810 Link |
I'm done..its become a chore fighting to log in today..
Carry on " gentlemen "
c242
Reply #35 Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:23 AM
Reply #35 Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:23 AM
Speaking of women, Alexandrie, Gillon and APB are really missed...
Speaking for me it is the versions that kill me. I tried to keep my DX themes and objects up to date but I gave up on it. One more reason is crashing apps (DX was a bugger for a long time) that let You begin at zero after having lost work...
Speaking for me it is the versions that kill me. I tried to keep my DX themes and objects up to date but I gave up on it. One more reason is crashing apps (DX was a bugger for a long time) that let You begin at zero after having lost work...
pjpowell
Reply #36 Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:31 AM
Reply #36 Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:31 AM
Personally I have to agree that the extra stuff to skin in WB IS a burden to me. I was never a prolific WB skinner (4 full WB and a port) and have turned my attention largely to DX now though even that is losing it's lustre somewhat and I am thinking to just go into helping people realise their dreams for DX rather than trying to realise my own.
For me the fun in WB skinning was always about pushing the boundaries, and making something unconventional which did something in a new way. I used to just about cope with working on a WB skin for long enough to complete one but now I get half way and I just don't feel motivated to continue. It's a lot of work and when you're sick of the sight of your own graphics it just isn't conducive to making a skin.
Maybe I'm just busier now, priorities have changed and I can't devote as much time to it. Maybe I'm just finding excuses. I believe the extra stuff to skin in WB is fantastic and it was a necessary thing as XP came in and there were instantly more things to skin and other products to compete with. I wouldn't go back but I do have massive respect for anyone that can actually complete a WB skin now.
For me the fun in WB skinning was always about pushing the boundaries, and making something unconventional which did something in a new way. I used to just about cope with working on a WB skin for long enough to complete one but now I get half way and I just don't feel motivated to continue. It's a lot of work and when you're sick of the sight of your own graphics it just isn't conducive to making a skin.
Maybe I'm just busier now, priorities have changed and I can't devote as much time to it. Maybe I'm just finding excuses. I believe the extra stuff to skin in WB is fantastic and it was a necessary thing as XP came in and there were instantly more things to skin and other products to compete with. I wouldn't go back but I do have massive respect for anyone that can actually complete a WB skin now.
Jafo
Reply #38 Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:46 AM
Reply #38 Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:46 AM
| Anyway....it's all very well somehow equating 'skinning' with 'Windowblinds' and ignoring all those other apps that can be as taxing as YOU wont them to be. Eg. Sysmetrix can [if you want] be as simple as a Beatnik or as complex as any WB skin. |
Worth repeating, you know....
Apocalypse_67
Reply #39 Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:59 AM
Reply #39 Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:59 AM
So true Jafo. I try to skin suites most of the times and applications such as SysMetrix and Rainlendar have added a few extra items to their programs, but in the case of SysMetrix, I always thought that making a skin for it with just a clock it's too lame, after all the program was meant to display so much information.
Im still very loyal to Winamp 2x, but if I ever step up to v.3 or v.5 I would need to skin a lot more, so I'll stick to kicking the llama's ass with v.2x
Im still very loyal to Winamp 2x, but if I ever step up to v.3 or v.5 I would need to skin a lot more, so I'll stick to kicking the llama's ass with v.2x
davad70
Reply #40 Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:08 AM
Reply #40 Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:08 AM
The fact that there got to be so much to do in a WB skin was the main reason that I gave it up. It's mostly a personal failing, but I just couldn't keep focused for the 3+ weeks that a good skin required.
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Reply #21 Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:09 PM
I don't see any reason for 'sarcasm'. Every site member has a right to reasonable input...
I think ~Fairyy had a good point about male-domination. It would be nice to see more female input in skinning.
As to 'that' comment-deleted thread....it had nothing to do with content, other than being allegedly 'off-topic in a site-issue forum'.