AMD: A New SuperStar Born
World's First Dual Core 64Bit Processor Launched
Friday, April 22, 2005 by Black Xero | Discussion: WinCustomize News
AMD launches Dual-Core AMD Opteron™ processors for server and workstations and unveils AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual-Core processor for consumers and business users
AMD officially launched its dual-core Opteron processors for high-end servers Thursday at an event in New York City. The company is also preparing a dual-core desktop processor dubbed the AMD Athlon 64 X2, which will launch in June and go head to head with Intel's dual-core Pentium chips.
Dual-core processors are the next evolution of AMD64’s Direct Connect Architecture and were designed from the ground up to directly connect two cores on a single die, along with memory, I/O and dedicated caches, improving overall system performance and efficiency and helping to eliminate the bottlenecks inherent in a front-side-bus architecture.
The 800 Series Opteron is available now and designed for four- to eight-way servers, while the 200 Series processors aimed at two-way servers and workstations will ship late May.
The company says its dual-core chips use the same power and infrastructure as their single-core brethren, meaning a new chipset will not be required - only a BIOS upgrade.
Intel's dual-core chips, on the other hand, will require new motherboards with supporting chipset.
AMD’s key OEM customers, including Sun, HP and IBM, announced their intention to launch ground-breaking, dual-core processor-based platforms based on the non-disruptive AMD64 dual-core technology, the world’s leading x86, 64-bit computing environment. Additional partners also announced dual-core systems.
For More Info Have Look at Links Provided
Official Press Release: Link
Visual Presentation: Link
Benefits of Multi-Core Technology
Link
AMD officially launched its dual-core Opteron processors for high-end servers Thursday at an event in New York City. The company is also preparing a dual-core desktop processor dubbed the AMD Athlon 64 X2, which will launch in June and go head to head with Intel's dual-core Pentium chips.
Dual-core processors are the next evolution of AMD64’s Direct Connect Architecture and were designed from the ground up to directly connect two cores on a single die, along with memory, I/O and dedicated caches, improving overall system performance and efficiency and helping to eliminate the bottlenecks inherent in a front-side-bus architecture.
The 800 Series Opteron is available now and designed for four- to eight-way servers, while the 200 Series processors aimed at two-way servers and workstations will ship late May.
The company says its dual-core chips use the same power and infrastructure as their single-core brethren, meaning a new chipset will not be required - only a BIOS upgrade.
Intel's dual-core chips, on the other hand, will require new motherboards with supporting chipset.
AMD’s key OEM customers, including Sun, HP and IBM, announced their intention to launch ground-breaking, dual-core processor-based platforms based on the non-disruptive AMD64 dual-core technology, the world’s leading x86, 64-bit computing environment. Additional partners also announced dual-core systems.
For More Info Have Look at Links Provided
Official Press Release: Link
Visual Presentation: Link
Benefits of Multi-Core Technology
Link
voo
Reply #2 Friday, April 22, 2005 1:37 PM
Reply #2 Friday, April 22, 2005 1:37 PM
Yes, as it has that Hyperthread thing IIRC. AMD64 will be the same when in use with its Hypertransport or whatever the proper names are.
sixshot
Reply #4 Friday, April 22, 2005 2:27 PM
Actually, HThreading is only giving you a virtual CPU so that Windows will send additional processes to the CPU. It's still sending everything to 1 CPU core, which is different from sending processes to multiple cores (either in multi-core design or multi-socket design). You'll still be limited by what a single CPU can do, even tho you can feed a P4 more processes than before.
The dual-core design is to elimiate the limitation that HThreading has when it comes to executing more than one process, in that you're given two actual CPU cores instead of a virtual 2nd CPU. With this design, executing the 2nd process will be much smoother than it is on P4. Everything will not only be more responsive but you can truly run two heavy applications at once (ie. video encoding + 3D render).
To comment on this spreading news, I can't wait to get my hands on an X2. But considering how long I'll have to wait for it, it looks like my upgrade time will be around the start of 2006, or later if the price isn't in range.
Reply #4 Friday, April 22, 2005 2:27 PM
| Yes, as it has that Hyperthread thing IIRC. AMD64 will be the same when in use with its Hypertransport or whatever the proper names are. |
Actually, HThreading is only giving you a virtual CPU so that Windows will send additional processes to the CPU. It's still sending everything to 1 CPU core, which is different from sending processes to multiple cores (either in multi-core design or multi-socket design). You'll still be limited by what a single CPU can do, even tho you can feed a P4 more processes than before.
The dual-core design is to elimiate the limitation that HThreading has when it comes to executing more than one process, in that you're given two actual CPU cores instead of a virtual 2nd CPU. With this design, executing the 2nd process will be much smoother than it is on P4. Everything will not only be more responsive but you can truly run two heavy applications at once (ie. video encoding + 3D render).
To comment on this spreading news, I can't wait to get my hands on an X2. But considering how long I'll have to wait for it, it looks like my upgrade time will be around the start of 2006, or later if the price isn't in range.
Eroticus Prime
Reply #5 Friday, April 22, 2005 8:54 PM
Reply #5 Friday, April 22, 2005 8:54 PM
HyperTransport is a replacement for the front-side bus, nothing to do with Hyper-Threading.
bashderq
Reply #6 Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:14 AM
Reply #6 Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:14 AM
wat ever it is, i'm looking forward to this new processor 
Astyanax
Reply #7 Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:44 PM
Reply #7 Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:44 PM
Intel has a better reputation for being more reliable and has (in the past) had higher quality. Cant wait for the intel release, its gonna be fatastic!
Double Zero
Reply #8 Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:25 PM
I would not have put it so subtly, but I agree 100%
and thats my 2 cents..LoL
Zero.
Reply #8 Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:25 PM
| Intel has a better reputation for being more reliable and has (in the past) had higher quality. Cant wait for the intel release, its gonna be fatastic! |
I would not have put it so subtly, but I agree 100%
and thats my 2 cents..LoL
Zero.
Weaksid
Reply #9 Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:17 PM
Reply #9 Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:17 PM
I can't wait for this, I have never had a problem with AMD. I've heared other people having problems but all my systems have them. Hmm, I would love to get my hands on this processor though and test it out 
kona0197
Reply #10 Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:50 PM
Zero - "in the past" being the key words here.
Reply #10 Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:50 PM
| Intel has a better reputation for being more reliable and has (in the past) had higher quality. Cant wait for the intel release, its gonna be fatastic! |
Zero - "in the past" being the key words here.
Double Zero
Reply #11 Sunday, April 24, 2005 10:40 PM
Reply #11 Sunday, April 24, 2005 10:40 PM
For those that are in extreme denial as you seem to be Kona..they are..LoL
kona0197
Reply #12 Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:39 PM
Reply #12 Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:39 PM
Feel free to be mis-informed...plenty of stats available to determine which performs better.
Weaksid
Reply #13 Monday, April 25, 2005 12:56 AM
Reply #13 Monday, April 25, 2005 12:56 AM
Intel just had the market share until AMD been taking it from them With the advances AMD have been coming up with, it's going to take alot more of the market. Heck, the goverment had AMD create a processor for them
Also do a search. Alot of the sectors of the government and what will be put into alot of the super computers will be AMD chips.
The one thing that could put Intel back up there is if they can finally create their 0degree C processor. The processor that is suppose to run supper cold.
With the advances AMD have been coming up with, it's going to take alot more of the market. Heck, the goverment had AMD create a processor for them Also do a search. Alot of the sectors of the government and what will be put into alot of the super computers will be AMD chips.
The one thing that could put Intel back up there is if they can finally create their 0degree C processor. The processor that is suppose to run supper cold.
Double Zero
Reply #14 Monday, April 25, 2005 1:12 AM
Reply #14 Monday, April 25, 2005 1:12 AM
Actually Sid, in all honesty, I am *very happy that AMD is around and putting out at least a "decent" product..
Intel is the "big kid" on the block however and does have a very solid reputation, as Astyanax1 has pointed out. I personally have nothing against AMD and I am seriously considering building a box using one of the new AMD processors on a Soyo MoBo...
Unfortunately I do think that Intels version of the *Dual Core processor is going a be a bit more "fine tuned" than AMD's simply because I think AMD released theres prematurely to have the honor of being "first". This is just a personal observation really..
Intel has been working on the Dual Core chip for quite some time now, I read about it a couple years ago before I ever heard AMD whisper a word about it..that makes me suspicious all by itself!
Anyway, I say use what you prefer and what works best for you, nothing at all wrong with that!
Take care,
Zero.
Intel is the "big kid" on the block however and does have a very solid reputation, as Astyanax1 has pointed out. I personally have nothing against AMD and I am seriously considering building a box using one of the new AMD processors on a Soyo MoBo...
Unfortunately I do think that Intels version of the *Dual Core processor is going a be a bit more "fine tuned" than AMD's simply because I think AMD released theres prematurely to have the honor of being "first". This is just a personal observation really..
Intel has been working on the Dual Core chip for quite some time now, I read about it a couple years ago before I ever heard AMD whisper a word about it..that makes me suspicious all by itself!
Anyway, I say use what you prefer and what works best for you, nothing at all wrong with that!
Take care,
Zero.
George Rogers Jr
Reply #15 Tuesday, April 26, 2005 3:11 AM
Reply #15 Tuesday, April 26, 2005 3:11 AM
Agree totally with you DZ....intel is also by far the bigger company than AMD....alot larger in terms of size & total market share. AMD mainly has it's niche in the "hardcore gamers" market - like myself & I love AMD. There's no doubt however over the last 10 years or so....AMD has come ALONG way from the 
chips & before that! It's really facinating to see the development with both of these chip makers !! The engineering & brains that goes into these tiny dynamos is outstanding!! Kudos for both companies!! 
chips & before that! It's really facinating to see the development with both of these chip makers !! The engineering & brains that goes into these tiny dynamos is outstanding!! Kudos for both companies!! 
Doomgaze
Reply #16 Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:52 AM
As far as price vs performance ratio, Intel has been behind for 5+ years now.
For 90% of the consumer market, there's absolutely no reason to spend the extra money on a P4 over say an AthlonXP.
And Intel has been notorious for chipset drivers that make the Via 4in1's look perfect for quite a few years now.
But then again, my backup bsd box in the basement just died, the cpu fan on the processor hasn't spun in over a month and the chip (celeron 800) finally cooked to death.
Reply #16 Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:52 AM
| Intel has a better reputation for being more reliable and has (in the past) had higher quality. Cant wait for the intel release, its gonna be fatastic! |
As far as price vs performance ratio, Intel has been behind for 5+ years now.
For 90% of the consumer market, there's absolutely no reason to spend the extra money on a P4 over say an AthlonXP.
And Intel has been notorious for chipset drivers that make the Via 4in1's look perfect for quite a few years now.
But then again, my backup bsd box in the basement just died, the cpu fan on the processor hasn't spun in over a month and the chip (celeron 800) finally cooked to death.
Doomgaze
Reply #17 Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:54 AM
Thats called Intel making a marketing push before AMD did and means nothing about what one company or the other is doing.
You've probably heard of "paper launches" ie: Yeah we're gonna release this product... But we haven't made it yet.
Reply #17 Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:54 AM
| Intel has been working on the Dual Core chip for quite some time now, I read about it a couple years ago before I ever heard AMD whisper a word about it..that makes me suspicious all by itself! |
Thats called Intel making a marketing push before AMD did and means nothing about what one company or the other is doing.
You've probably heard of "paper launches" ie: Yeah we're gonna release this product... But we haven't made it yet.
Double Zero
Reply #18 Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:16 AM
Well I for one can certainly see the logic in buying a chip that I cant use to it's full potential. such as the "64"..What good is that?
Instead a nice P4 with *HT just humms along doing it's work at 100% utilization .."Nice"
Lets not ignore "HT" It really is what AMD Lacks now isnt it?
What are you reffering to I wonder? "As far as price vs performance ratio, Intel has been behind for 5+ years now."
That statement is pure ignorance really..
Ah well,
Have a nice day,
Zero.
Reply #18 Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:16 AM
| As far as price vs performance ratio, Intel has been behind for 5+ years now. For 90% of the consumer market, there's absolutely no reason to spend the extra money on a P4 over say an AthlonXP. |
Well I for one can certainly see the logic in buying a chip that I cant use to it's full potential. such as the "64"..What good is that?
Instead a nice P4 with *HT just humms along doing it's work at 100% utilization .."Nice"
Lets not ignore "HT" It really is what AMD Lacks now isnt it?
What are you reffering to I wonder? "As far as price vs performance ratio, Intel has been behind for 5+ years now."
That statement is pure ignorance really..
Ah well,
Have a nice day,
Zero.
kona0197
Reply #19 Tuesday, April 26, 2005 3:20 PM
Reply #19 Tuesday, April 26, 2005 3:20 PM
Doomgaze - If your looking for a replacement for your backup box let me know. I think I have a 800 MHz AMD Athlon chip and board around here somewhere. 
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Reply #1 Friday, April 22, 2005 11:55 AM
I like my new comp's Intel 64-bit (640) just fine.
It is supposed to show up as two processors in task manager, right?