Changes in Windows Update Service
Friday, April 1, 2005 by _02 | Discussion: Windows XP
This is for all those out there who update windows manually and have automatic updates turned off. From now on the only way to get windows updates is to have their service TURNED ON when you go to manually scan for updates. Otherwise you will be instructed on how to turn it on. So I turned it on and was scanned for updates. When I was done I turned it off again. What a pain. I do not like having automatic updates turned on because I dont like MS to have that much control over my computer. So, from now on it will be a big pain for all those like me who like to do windows updates manually.
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_02
Reply #2 Friday, April 1, 2005 5:31 PM
Reply #2 Friday, April 1, 2005 5:31 PM
Thanks Zero, and sorry I did'nt see your thread. Thats probably why you are the only responder!! LOL I'll let ya know if I have the same luck. Hope you have a great weekend!
Cindi
Cindi
Boss019
Reply #3 Saturday, April 2, 2005 12:29 AM
Reply #3 Saturday, April 2, 2005 12:29 AM
I just tried it...didn't have to turn on auto update and also didn't have any updates to install, but my computer is only 3 weeks old....still, I figured they would have found some garbage for me to install 
kingbee
Reply #4 Saturday, April 2, 2005 1:05 AM
Reply #4 Saturday, April 2, 2005 1:05 AM
isnt that part of ms' plan to deal with pirated copies of xp?
kona0197
Reply #5 Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:21 AM
Reply #5 Saturday, April 2, 2005 2:21 AM
I just tried the MS Windows update web page. It didn't tell me to turn on the auto-update.
_02
Reply #7 Saturday, April 2, 2005 7:09 AM
It probably is. My copy of XP is not pirated. It has been authenticated on their web site. It came with my computer. Since my copy of XP is legite I dont know why some of us have to turn on auto, and some of us dont. It is another mystery!
Reply #7 Saturday, April 2, 2005 7:09 AM
| isnt that part of ms' plan to deal with pirated copies of xp? |
It probably is. My copy of XP is not pirated. It has been authenticated on their web site. It came with my computer. Since my copy of XP is legite I dont know why some of us have to turn on auto, and some of us dont. It is another mystery!
Double Zero
Reply #8 Saturday, April 2, 2005 11:39 AM
Well thats odd...::sighs:: maybe it will just take a little longer for MS's systems to be updated??.. I dont know.
I didnt attempt to do it right away, I just stuck with my usually update routine - once a week and on my next update, the week after I had to go through the steps of turning on Auto updates I was allowed to perform the updates without the hassel of turning on the auto feature..
So far I have done 3 instances of updates with no "Hassel" .. It is odd that it only made me do it that 1 time...
Hopefully it will change at some point for you as well,
Take Care,
Zero.
Reply #8 Saturday, April 2, 2005 11:39 AM
| It did'nt work for me, Zero. |
Well thats odd...::sighs:: maybe it will just take a little longer for MS's systems to be updated??.. I dont know.
I didnt attempt to do it right away, I just stuck with my usually update routine - once a week and on my next update, the week after I had to go through the steps of turning on Auto updates I was allowed to perform the updates without the hassel of turning on the auto feature..
So far I have done 3 instances of updates with no "Hassel" .. It is odd that it only made me do it that 1 time...
Hopefully it will change at some point for you as well,
Take Care,
Zero.
Hazylunarrain
Reply #10 Monday, April 4, 2005 7:39 PM
Reply #10 Monday, April 4, 2005 7:39 PM
Well, I'm not sayin who, but theres someone I know who has a not so legit (NOT PIRATED) copy of XP Pro that got it from an IT guy who got a "intro" version at a conference he/she went to. No activation process... But when queried about things of this nature he/she said that they never had to do anything of this nature... More likely it's just MS trying to "take over" everyone's computers. Jerks!
Lantec
Reply #11 Monday, April 4, 2005 7:51 PM
Reply #11 Monday, April 4, 2005 7:51 PM
Cindi, I get the message like you do. Thing is I not only have updates turned off but I also have the process service turned off in the component manager "services.msc" I think the response is for computers which don't have the "service" loaded.
_02
Reply #12 Monday, April 4, 2005 8:07 PM
Reply #12 Monday, April 4, 2005 8:07 PM
Same here. I will turn it back on in services.msc,but leave it turned off in security and check it out. Thanks for the idea!
_02
Reply #13 Monday, April 4, 2005 8:13 PM
Reply #13 Monday, April 4, 2005 8:13 PM
That was the ticket! I first tried it with it turned on for manual. No go. Had to do it with automatic. Still have it tuned off in security in control panel. It works! Thanks alot Lantec.
And thanks to everyone. I really appreciate it!
And thanks to everyone. I really appreciate it!
Elesarr
Reply #14 Monday, April 4, 2005 9:39 PM
Hazylunarrain,
Being an IT professional myself who has worked on the Microsoft Campus as well as attending many of the same conferences I can assure you that there is a registration code that has to be entered to activate the software. If there is not then it is pirated, or it is a version that lacks many of the featuires and is limited: remember even trial downloads require an activation key of their software.
It is not an attempt to "take over" everyone's computer - that is a paranoid comment and what leads to misinformation and panic for less tech savvy individuals. If you run WinXP you already have them on your computer (or any version of their software for that matter).
The change was made to increase the ease and efficiency of getting updates installed. The majority of problems on people's computer's relate to the end-user not installing a security patch or update; however the end-user immediately blames Microsoft for the problem instead of being responsible and installing the required patches. One only has to turn on the automatic update feature - you still have the option of whether or not to install them automatically or not.
clwoods,
the auto update feature only allows the computer to check for any updates avaialble for your computer. The same protocol is run when you do it manually - it does not give Microsoft any more or any less control over your computer by checking for updates manually: the auto update feature just keeps you from having to remember to go and check for updates.
From Microsoft Support:
Read the full descripton of changes here: Link
Reply #14 Monday, April 4, 2005 9:39 PM
| Well, I'm not sayin who, but theres someone I know who has a not so legit (NOT PIRATED) copy of XP Pro that got it from an IT guy who got a "intro" version at a conference he/she went to. No activation process... But when queried about things of this nature he/she said that they never had to do anything of this nature... More likely it's just MS trying to "take over" everyone's computers. Jerks! |
Hazylunarrain,
Being an IT professional myself who has worked on the Microsoft Campus as well as attending many of the same conferences I can assure you that there is a registration code that has to be entered to activate the software. If there is not then it is pirated, or it is a version that lacks many of the featuires and is limited: remember even trial downloads require an activation key of their software.
It is not an attempt to "take over" everyone's computer - that is a paranoid comment and what leads to misinformation and panic for less tech savvy individuals. If you run WinXP you already have them on your computer (or any version of their software for that matter).
The change was made to increase the ease and efficiency of getting updates installed. The majority of problems on people's computer's relate to the end-user not installing a security patch or update; however the end-user immediately blames Microsoft for the problem instead of being responsible and installing the required patches. One only has to turn on the automatic update feature - you still have the option of whether or not to install them automatically or not.
clwoods,
the auto update feature only allows the computer to check for any updates avaialble for your computer. The same protocol is run when you do it manually - it does not give Microsoft any more or any less control over your computer by checking for updates manually: the auto update feature just keeps you from having to remember to go and check for updates.
From Microsoft Support:
| Why is this change important? Previously, a user had to navigate to multiple locations to keep Windows components and applications secure. Now, when a user enables Automatic Updates, Windows and associated applications are kept secure and up-to-date. Users choosing to go to the Microsoft Update Web site receive all high priority updates in one location. What threats does it help mitigate? This change helps mitigate situations where users neglect to install updates for other Windows applications. Users are kept secure against attacks that target known vulnerabilities in Windows or other Microsoft applications. What works differently? Users now consistently receive security updates and high priority patches for Windows content and other applications by either navigating to the Microsoft Update site and clicking Express, or turning on Automatic Updates. Users receive security updates and patches for Windows content and other applications through one mechanism and destination. Users that navigate to the Microsoft Update site and click the Custom option receive security updates and high priority patches, plus other optional updates, which are of lower priority. |
Read the full descripton of changes here: Link
Kevin_C
Reply #16 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:11 AM
It may just be a corporate version of the OS as opposed to a consumer version. Even pirated versions of the consumer OS require an activation key but as far as I know only the corporate version does not require activation. You have to enter a CD key, but you don't have to activate it.
Reply #16 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:11 AM
| I can assure you that there is a registration code that has to be entered to activate the software |
It may just be a corporate version of the OS as opposed to a consumer version. Even pirated versions of the consumer OS require an activation key but as far as I know only the corporate version does not require activation. You have to enter a CD key, but you don't have to activate it.
Double Zero
Reply #17 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 10:39 AM
First of all, nice reply..except I disagree with that paragraph..
I have installed MS updates that have totaly screwed my machine..MS does NOT always know whats best for our computers, however much they would like to think they do.
Turning on the "Auto Updates" may still give you the option of installing them..but it does NOT give you the option to install them 1 at a time as I must do to insure a "Quick" repair if something goes wrong, as it has in the past with MS updates, more than a few times!!
I disagree with the implimentation of this new update proceedure, I think there is a better way they can achieve the same results.
And under the heading of "Why is this change so important" They seemed to have left out the first and formost reason, it is important in the reduction of Windows Piracy.. So I ask you..Are we all to be treated as "Pirates"..
Apparently MS thinks so..
Zero,
Reply #17 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 10:39 AM
| The change was made to increase the ease and efficiency of getting updates installed. The majority of problems on people's computer's relate to the end-user not installing a security patch or update; however the end-user immediately blames Microsoft for the problem instead of being responsible and installing the required patches. One only has to turn on the automatic update feature - you still have the option of whether or not to install them automatically or not. |
First of all, nice reply..except I disagree with that paragraph..
I have installed MS updates that have totaly screwed my machine..MS does NOT always know whats best for our computers, however much they would like to think they do.
Turning on the "Auto Updates" may still give you the option of installing them..but it does NOT give you the option to install them 1 at a time as I must do to insure a "Quick" repair if something goes wrong, as it has in the past with MS updates, more than a few times!!
I disagree with the implimentation of this new update proceedure, I think there is a better way they can achieve the same results.
And under the heading of "Why is this change so important" They seemed to have left out the first and formost reason, it is important in the reduction of Windows Piracy.. So I ask you..Are we all to be treated as "Pirates"..
Apparently MS thinks so..
Zero,
_02
Reply #18 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 11:26 AM
Zero, I totally agree with everything you said. I would also like to add that I am very responsible for my updates, and do them regularly. I only place blame where it rightfully belongs. Cindi
Reply #18 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 11:26 AM
| First of all, nice reply..except I disagree with that paragraph.. |
Zero, I totally agree with everything you said. I would also like to add that I am very responsible for my updates, and do them regularly. I only place blame where it rightfully belongs. Cindi
_02
Reply #19 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 11:29 AM
I thought that was what their newsletters were for. I receive them all the time.
Reply #19 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 11:29 AM
| Users now consistently receive security updates and high priority patches for Windows content and other applications by either navigating to the Microsoft Update site and clicking Express, or turning on Automatic |
I thought that was what their newsletters were for. I receive them all the time.
Elesarr
Reply #20 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 2:25 PM
Reply #20 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 2:25 PM
You need to remember that people like us who are tech savvy are aware of these things and do what we must to ensure our systems are up-to-date and secure.
clwoods I was not "blaming" anyone I was talking in general terms about the average person not being proactive and installing their updates and patches in a timely manner: I see this everyday with my clients who are run of the mill people and business leaders. I certaily wasn't blaming or accusing you of anything
Additionaly, you are right that is what their newsletters are for, but you would be surprised how many people don't even know that they exist and that they must sign up to receive them and even if they did they would actually have to go and install the updates - many people say "Oh, whatever, I'll do it later..Microsoft is just trying to tell me what to do again...".
f0r3,
even a corporate version requires activation, generally this is done behind the scenes without the end-user having to click on "activate" like most consumers do; however, there is an activation process even in the corporate environment. The most streamlined environments have the activation keys on a separate server and are acessed when a new station is installed via a script. Even Microsoft requires activation keys for their computers: I worked on the Redmond Corporate Campus and had to activate many a copy of Windows
The whole purpose of activation is get rid of Piracy and the biggest victims of piracy are corporate businesses. I suggest to you again that if a corporate individual has a cd with WinXP on it and can install it on any computer without having to activate and verify the key then it is pirated.
Zero,
I empathize with what you are saying. As an IT professional I deal with many computer environments from mom and pop to business stations. My experience with this type of occurrence is that the end-user has manually changed registry settings or some such to "tweak" their OS. If someone thinks they know what they are doing and are willing to take responsibility for messing up their system then fine, but people shouldn't blame Microsoft for messing up a computer when the OS environment is not the way it should be and then an update doesn't install properly. I have run many a different "shell enhancements" and skinning programs; I have changed the bootscreen via the registry and tweaked the kernel to change the dialogue boxes and logon screens in Win2K. I have even changed settings in WinXP registry to meet my needs in a few cases; however, I have never had a problem with any update I have received from Windows Update Service.
I have no problem with you and clwoods doing it manually and installng your updates one at a time (or anyone else for that matter). I made my comments in response to the feeling that I got from this thread that there was no point in the changes that microsoft made to its windows update service.
The auto update feature is not so much focused on piracy as it is on ensuring that everyone has the patches and updates that need to be installed to make the OS secure. Their response with this change only makes sense: I can read a handful of bulletin boards and read the comments from people who have blamed Microsoft for a problem when there was an update waiting to be installed but these same people ignored the update or "forgot" about it and then they make the comment "isn't there a better way they can do this?" This change was their attempt to do it a better way to better ensure these same finger pointers got their updates installed on their systems with as little interaction as possible and to make it easier for less tech savvy people to feel that they are being protected and receive updates when they need them. I will add though that I believe eventually there will be stronger authentication methods integrated into the Windows Update Service to keep pirated versions from being updated in an attempt to slow down the piracy process.
Zero, how are they supposed to know if a copy of windows is authentic without checking it? If you are not guilty and have a legal copy of windows running on your system(s) then it should be no problem to click an extra button to verify your authenticity: you have nothing to hide afterall. If you follow this link to download the antispyware software you will see that only genuine microsoft customers are allowed to have this software: Link and that you must click on the "Continue" button to complete the authentication process and receive the software that is being provided for free to Genuine Microsoft Customers. Now this is not fool proof: I can provide the downloaded file to anyone I want so they never have to go to the download site and do the check. In fact I have a copy of the file on one of my "tool disks" that I take to my clients home so that in the event their problem is not being able to connect to a web page and all other troubleshooting steps have not resolved the issue I can run this software to see if there is malware that is causing the problem. Even though not fool proof the majority of windows users will go though the download page to get the software - or in a corporate environment their system will be updated by the IT department.
I would like to say again that I am not blaming anyone for anything and I apologize if it came across that way. I am simply stating the "whys" so please do not take it personally: if the shoe fits wear and think about it and if it doesn't then don't worry about it
Raymond
clwoods I was not "blaming" anyone I was talking in general terms about the average person not being proactive and installing their updates and patches in a timely manner: I see this everyday with my clients who are run of the mill people and business leaders. I certaily wasn't blaming or accusing you of anything
Additionaly, you are right that is what their newsletters are for, but you would be surprised how many people don't even know that they exist and that they must sign up to receive them and even if they did they would actually have to go and install the updates - many people say "Oh, whatever, I'll do it later..Microsoft is just trying to tell me what to do again...".| It may just be a corporate version of the OS as opposed to a consumer version. Even pirated versions of the consumer OS require an activation key but as far as I know only the corporate version does not require activation. You have to enter a CD key, but you don't have to activate it. |
f0r3,
even a corporate version requires activation, generally this is done behind the scenes without the end-user having to click on "activate" like most consumers do; however, there is an activation process even in the corporate environment. The most streamlined environments have the activation keys on a separate server and are acessed when a new station is installed via a script. Even Microsoft requires activation keys for their computers: I worked on the Redmond Corporate Campus and had to activate many a copy of Windows
The whole purpose of activation is get rid of Piracy and the biggest victims of piracy are corporate businesses. I suggest to you again that if a corporate individual has a cd with WinXP on it and can install it on any computer without having to activate and verify the key then it is pirated.
| I have installed MS updates that have totaly screwed my machine..MS does NOT always know whats best for our computers, however much they would like to think they do. |
Zero,
I empathize with what you are saying. As an IT professional I deal with many computer environments from mom and pop to business stations. My experience with this type of occurrence is that the end-user has manually changed registry settings or some such to "tweak" their OS. If someone thinks they know what they are doing and are willing to take responsibility for messing up their system then fine, but people shouldn't blame Microsoft for messing up a computer when the OS environment is not the way it should be and then an update doesn't install properly. I have run many a different "shell enhancements" and skinning programs; I have changed the bootscreen via the registry and tweaked the kernel to change the dialogue boxes and logon screens in Win2K. I have even changed settings in WinXP registry to meet my needs in a few cases; however, I have never had a problem with any update I have received from Windows Update Service.
I have no problem with you and clwoods doing it manually and installng your updates one at a time (or anyone else for that matter). I made my comments in response to the feeling that I got from this thread that there was no point in the changes that microsoft made to its windows update service.
| And under the heading of "Why is this change so important" They seemed to have left out the first and formost reason, it is important in the reduction of Windows Piracy.. So I ask you..Are we all to be treated as "Pirates".. Apparently MS thinks so.. |
The auto update feature is not so much focused on piracy as it is on ensuring that everyone has the patches and updates that need to be installed to make the OS secure. Their response with this change only makes sense: I can read a handful of bulletin boards and read the comments from people who have blamed Microsoft for a problem when there was an update waiting to be installed but these same people ignored the update or "forgot" about it and then they make the comment "isn't there a better way they can do this?" This change was their attempt to do it a better way to better ensure these same finger pointers got their updates installed on their systems with as little interaction as possible and to make it easier for less tech savvy people to feel that they are being protected and receive updates when they need them. I will add though that I believe eventually there will be stronger authentication methods integrated into the Windows Update Service to keep pirated versions from being updated in an attempt to slow down the piracy process.
Zero, how are they supposed to know if a copy of windows is authentic without checking it? If you are not guilty and have a legal copy of windows running on your system(s) then it should be no problem to click an extra button to verify your authenticity: you have nothing to hide afterall. If you follow this link to download the antispyware software you will see that only genuine microsoft customers are allowed to have this software: Link and that you must click on the "Continue" button to complete the authentication process and receive the software that is being provided for free to Genuine Microsoft Customers. Now this is not fool proof: I can provide the downloaded file to anyone I want so they never have to go to the download site and do the check. In fact I have a copy of the file on one of my "tool disks" that I take to my clients home so that in the event their problem is not being able to connect to a web page and all other troubleshooting steps have not resolved the issue I can run this software to see if there is malware that is causing the problem. Even though not fool proof the majority of windows users will go though the download page to get the software - or in a corporate environment their system will be updated by the IT department.
I would like to say again that I am not blaming anyone for anything and I apologize if it came across that way. I am simply stating the "whys" so please do not take it personally: if the shoe fits wear and think about it and if it doesn't then don't worry about it
Raymond
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Reply #1 Friday, April 1, 2005 3:47 PM
But you know..I only had to do it that once, since then I have performed Windows Updates again and I did not have to turn on the auto feature...So maybe it will work the same for you..
Hopefully!
Zero.