Changes in Windows Update Service
Friday, April 1, 2005 by _02 | Discussion: Windows XP
This is for all those out there who update windows manually and have automatic updates turned off. From now on the only way to get windows updates is to have their service TURNED ON when you go to manually scan for updates. Otherwise you will be instructed on how to turn it on. So I turned it on and was scanned for updates. When I was done I turned it off again. What a pain. I do not like having automatic updates turned on because I dont like MS to have that much control over my computer. So, from now on it will be a big pain for all those like me who like to do windows updates manually.
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kona0197
Reply #22 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 4:31 PM
Reply #22 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 4:31 PM
Raymond - If MS updates are made to not screw up a system why is it so many people (myself included) have many problems with SP2?
Double Zero
Reply #23 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:03 PM
It isnt you or anything you have said Raymond that anyone is taking personally..::laughs:: as I said..I thought your first reply was a good reply, and so is your second. I think that most of us are simply irritated at MS for various reasons, perhaps the first reason is the price of the software that we apparently do not own and are forced to use as intended by the evil MS empire..(LoL..Perhaps a little overdone??)) It isnt as bad as all that..but it is bothersome..
I have indeed payed for my copy of windows, as well as every copy I have ever owned previously.. I did not have to in any case, other than being "Legal" and it's against the law to pirate software. The legalities however are not anything that bother me in the least bit, I pay for my copies because I support MS by doing so, that is the main reason I pay the overpriced fee for the privaledge to use MS Windows.
Some "Legit" software, and some "Legit" hardware does not play well with windows xp..or I should say it is the other way around.
What are we to do?, change the software we want to use to show MS that we are doing exactly as they want us to do?, which is use or buy only there products at their inflated prices, because these are the ones that work the best with their Windows?
The same with the hardware, must we buy and use only what MS deemed worthy to run with their OS??..Shhhhheeeeeesh..When you put it like that it almost looks "Communist" doesnt it?
I do know that there is alot of software and hardware that works with MS, that isnt related to MS in the least..but then there is alot that doesnt as well..thats where my issues with the updates lay..
Some of the Software conflicts with other software I have on my machine.. The hardware as well..
I suppose if I were to buy a standard manufactured PC (which I totaly HATE the idea of) I would have *zero problems with anything MS would throw my way.. But I am one of the many that build their own box's and have things set up my way, and have certain software that I want to use, other than what MS would suggest I use..
Anyway, ::laughs:: Thats just a partial "Gripe List" of what I do not like about MS and also to reassure you that, Yes, I have a legitimate copy of Windows XP. But I do not appreciate having to live by assinine rules handed down by MS upon how they want me to use their OS..ie: Turning on the Auto Update to receive updates...
If I do they give me some cheesy spyware program for free?..Oh joy..LoL
Take care Raymond,
and believe me, it isnt aimed at *you at all.
Zero.
Reply #23 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:03 PM
| I would like to say again that I am not blaming anyone for anything and I apologize if it came across that way. I am simply stating the "whys" so please do not take it personally: if the shoe fits wear and think about it and if it doesn't then don't worry about it |
It isnt you or anything you have said Raymond that anyone is taking personally..::laughs:: as I said..I thought your first reply was a good reply, and so is your second. I think that most of us are simply irritated at MS for various reasons, perhaps the first reason is the price of the software that we apparently do not own and are forced to use as intended by the evil MS empire..(LoL..Perhaps a little overdone??)) It isnt as bad as all that..but it is bothersome..
I have indeed payed for my copy of windows, as well as every copy I have ever owned previously.. I did not have to in any case, other than being "Legal" and it's against the law to pirate software. The legalities however are not anything that bother me in the least bit, I pay for my copies because I support MS by doing so, that is the main reason I pay the overpriced fee for the privaledge to use MS Windows.
Some "Legit" software, and some "Legit" hardware does not play well with windows xp..or I should say it is the other way around.
What are we to do?, change the software we want to use to show MS that we are doing exactly as they want us to do?, which is use or buy only there products at their inflated prices, because these are the ones that work the best with their Windows?
The same with the hardware, must we buy and use only what MS deemed worthy to run with their OS??..Shhhhheeeeeesh..When you put it like that it almost looks "Communist" doesnt it?
I do know that there is alot of software and hardware that works with MS, that isnt related to MS in the least..but then there is alot that doesnt as well..thats where my issues with the updates lay..
Some of the Software conflicts with other software I have on my machine.. The hardware as well..
I suppose if I were to buy a standard manufactured PC (which I totaly HATE the idea of) I would have *zero problems with anything MS would throw my way.. But I am one of the many that build their own box's and have things set up my way, and have certain software that I want to use, other than what MS would suggest I use..
Anyway, ::laughs:: Thats just a partial "Gripe List" of what I do not like about MS and also to reassure you that, Yes, I have a legitimate copy of Windows XP. But I do not appreciate having to live by assinine rules handed down by MS upon how they want me to use their OS..ie: Turning on the Auto Update to receive updates...
If I do they give me some cheesy spyware program for free?..Oh joy..LoL
Take care Raymond,
and believe me, it isnt aimed at *you at all.
Zero.
Elesarr
Reply #24 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:37 PM
Reply #24 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:37 PM
no offense taken Zero 
I just wanted to make sure I hadn't stepped on anyone's toes. And I never ment to imply anyone here has anything but a legitimate copy - my comments about the possibility of a pirated copy was only directed to the specific quote from f0r3 above.
I agree that there is a lot of software and hardware that does not place nice with WinXP; however, that is not necessarily Microsoft's problem, if I as an ISV or hardware developer want to create a program that is compatible with WinXP then it would be my responsibilty as the vendor to ensure that it is compliant with Microsoft's guidelines.
I too create my own boxes - the only machine I own which is not built by me is the laptop I work on. The biggest reason I do not use Linux is the lack of hardware and software support. And by software support I mean only that to accomplish my tasks and meet my deadlines I need Microsoft compatible programs that will allow me to work with my clients. Linux just doesn't provide that level of compatibility.
I too have only legal copies of the various Microsoft OSes. Microsoft erred on the side of trust with all versions of Windows up to XP and 2003 and piracy has been rampant. Even with the activation process they have implented to ensure only purchased copies of Windows are used it is still being pirated albeit at a lower percentage. So I can see why they have erred on the side of the "bad apples" and now everyone is paying for it. If another company was facing the huge pirating issues that Microsoft is I believe they too would react in a way to protect their own interests as well
LOL I find their "cheesy spyware program" to actually be a bit better than some of the more dominant ones on the market right now - it has found buggers the others didn't and saved me from having to fdsik several of my clients' harddrives
but isn't that true of any OS that someone chooses to use? To use that specific OS you have to succumb to rules and guidelines that are imposed on the creator of the OS you have chosen to use. Which is why there are other OSes competeing for the market share i.e., Linux, Mac; someone felt the same way and created an OS that did not have those particular rules. But to use these other OSes you have to abide by their restrictions and requirements. Microsoft is erring on the side of the average user in this case. Those of us who want to do it our way because we understand the workings of it: we tweak a little and do it our way. The average home user won't tweak much except to install a program for enhancement if even that: most just use the apps built into WinXp, the corporate user generally doesn't have control over the configuration of their machine and the IT dept will ensure the correct updates are installed when needed and the ones that conflict with legacy programs or drivers won't be installed to maintain the integrity of the environment.
Anyway, just wanted to let you know I took nothing personally and I appreciate the postive response I have gotten for my views though I failed to acknowledge that earlier: I am so used to geek holy wars that I never know when someone is being receptive or not I have actually enjoyed the discussion 
I just wanted to make sure I hadn't stepped on anyone's toes. And I never ment to imply anyone here has anything but a legitimate copy - my comments about the possibility of a pirated copy was only directed to the specific quote from f0r3 above.I agree that there is a lot of software and hardware that does not place nice with WinXP; however, that is not necessarily Microsoft's problem, if I as an ISV or hardware developer want to create a program that is compatible with WinXP then it would be my responsibilty as the vendor to ensure that it is compliant with Microsoft's guidelines.
I too create my own boxes - the only machine I own which is not built by me is the laptop I work on. The biggest reason I do not use Linux is the lack of hardware and software support. And by software support I mean only that to accomplish my tasks and meet my deadlines I need Microsoft compatible programs that will allow me to work with my clients. Linux just doesn't provide that level of compatibility.
I too have only legal copies of the various Microsoft OSes. Microsoft erred on the side of trust with all versions of Windows up to XP and 2003 and piracy has been rampant. Even with the activation process they have implented to ensure only purchased copies of Windows are used it is still being pirated albeit at a lower percentage. So I can see why they have erred on the side of the "bad apples" and now everyone is paying for it. If another company was facing the huge pirating issues that Microsoft is I believe they too would react in a way to protect their own interests as well
LOL I find their "cheesy spyware program" to actually be a bit better than some of the more dominant ones on the market right now - it has found buggers the others didn't and saved me from having to fdsik several of my clients' harddrives
| But I do not appreciate having to live by assinine rules handed down by MS upon how they want me to use their OS..ie: Turning on the Auto Update to receive updates... |
but isn't that true of any OS that someone chooses to use? To use that specific OS you have to succumb to rules and guidelines that are imposed on the creator of the OS you have chosen to use. Which is why there are other OSes competeing for the market share i.e., Linux, Mac; someone felt the same way and created an OS that did not have those particular rules. But to use these other OSes you have to abide by their restrictions and requirements. Microsoft is erring on the side of the average user in this case. Those of us who want to do it our way because we understand the workings of it: we tweak a little and do it our way. The average home user won't tweak much except to install a program for enhancement if even that: most just use the apps built into WinXp, the corporate user generally doesn't have control over the configuration of their machine and the IT dept will ensure the correct updates are installed when needed and the ones that conflict with legacy programs or drivers won't be installed to maintain the integrity of the environment.
Anyway, just wanted to let you know I took nothing personally and I appreciate the postive response I have gotten for my views though I failed to acknowledge that earlier: I am so used to geek holy wars that I never know when someone is being receptive or not
I have actually enjoyed the discussion 
Elesarr
Reply #25 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 10:00 PM
Reply #25 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 10:00 PM
kona0197 - the only thing i can tell you is that it is a software/hardware incompatibility: that is my experience with SP2 related issues. I have had to do workarounds on a lot of my clients' machines because they just "had" to have a specific program - I have nothing against it, but if someone chooses to install a program that is not "completely" compatibile with WinXP or drivers that are not certified then one has to take the responsibility that there will be issues down the road that may require work arounds.
I have seen the same problems with bad installations of WinXP too. I have a friend who thought she knew what she was doing and started moving folders around and putting things wherever she wanted them to be and then had a lot of issues when SP2 was released because the integrity of the OS had been changed/compromised.
It all boils down to how the end-user has changed/modified/enhanced their system. There are a lot of people and web sites out there with tips and tricks that are not the best things to do or install, but without the knowldege to undo them many people are affected negatively at a later date by changes they made they thought they understood.
I am not saying that you are unknowledgable - only answering the question you pose with my personal experience in having dealt with these issues before while repairing systems whose end-users said "well, I didn;t do anything.."
I have seen the same problems with bad installations of WinXP too. I have a friend who thought she knew what she was doing and started moving folders around and putting things wherever she wanted them to be and then had a lot of issues when SP2 was released because the integrity of the OS had been changed/compromised.
It all boils down to how the end-user has changed/modified/enhanced their system. There are a lot of people and web sites out there with tips and tricks that are not the best things to do or install, but without the knowldege to undo them many people are affected negatively at a later date by changes they made they thought they understood.
I am not saying that you are unknowledgable - only answering the question you pose with my personal experience in having dealt with these issues before while repairing systems whose end-users said "well, I didn;t do anything.."
Double Zero
Reply #26 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 10:44 PM
Reply #26 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 10:44 PM
Ok Raymond, Now I hate you..I cant hate MS and your the next conveinent person to hate..LoL!! J/K
You do make very good points and I have reconsidered a few of my "Gripes" ::sighs:: I suppose there will never be an OS that is perfect, and I admit that without a doubt Windows XP is the best I have used to this day. They do only keep getting better and for that reason alone is enough to keep supporting the "Evil Empire" LoL!
As for the "Cheesy" Spyware program..I actually havent tried it yet, but I do plan on it..It's free!..LoL..We do not get many bargains like that from MS!
Ever see the movie "Kings Of Silicon Valley"? If you havent then I highly recommend it..It is a decent insight into the history between Apple and MS.. It seems Gates did a little "Pirating" of his own in the begining..Hipocrit?..LoL..you decide.
Anyway, thanks for the conversation Raymond, I have enjoyed it as well.
Take Care,
Zero.
You do make very good points and I have reconsidered a few of my "Gripes" ::sighs:: I suppose there will never be an OS that is perfect, and I admit that without a doubt Windows XP is the best I have used to this day. They do only keep getting better and for that reason alone is enough to keep supporting the "Evil Empire" LoL!
As for the "Cheesy" Spyware program..I actually havent tried it yet, but I do plan on it..It's free!..LoL..We do not get many bargains like that from MS!
Ever see the movie "Kings Of Silicon Valley"? If you havent then I highly recommend it..It is a decent insight into the history between Apple and MS.. It seems Gates did a little "Pirating" of his own in the begining..Hipocrit?..LoL..you decide.
Anyway, thanks for the conversation Raymond, I have enjoyed it as well.
Take Care,
Zero.
Elesarr
Reply #27 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 11:08 PM
Reply #27 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 11:08 PM
LOL - yep I've seen it and yep I agree BillG didn't play nice at all in the beginning - but I believe that people can change over time: even if the changes are small and slow.
As long as BillG keeps releasing his bug fixes and service packs at no charge and I can be happy with the computing environment I work in on a daily basis I will continue to use Microsoft Products. I am very much looking forward to Longhorn and IE7 as well as Longhorn Server.
You are welcome for the conversation! It has been awhile since I have had a nice level headed discussion that didn't turn into a "one of has to be right" debacle.
Raymond
As long as BillG keeps releasing his bug fixes and service packs at no charge and I can be happy with the computing environment I work in on a daily basis I will continue to use Microsoft Products. I am very much looking forward to Longhorn and IE7 as well as Longhorn Server.
You are welcome for the conversation! It has been awhile since I have had a nice level headed discussion that didn't turn into a "one of has to be right" debacle.
Raymond
_02
Reply #28 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:28 AM
I have had it since it came out, Zero. To my suprise it is a very good program. Another good tool in the arsenal line of defense. Cindi
Reply #28 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:28 AM
| As for the "Cheesy" Spyware program..I actually havent tried it yet, but I do plan on it..It's free!..LoL..We do not get many bargains like that from MS! |
I have had it since it came out, Zero. To my suprise it is a very good program. Another good tool in the arsenal line of defense. Cindi
kona0197
Reply #29 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:52 AM
Reply #29 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:52 AM
Raymond - I doubt it has anything to do with my drivers. I have a Nvidia Nforce2 chipset based system. after a fresh install of XP and then Nvidia drivers and then SP2 the system seems to slow down to the point where it takes close to 4 mintues to boot and on top of that 2 minutes to launch any program. Uninstalling SP2 gave me my speed back. Keep in mind I have a 1.6 Ghz CPU and 512 megs of RAM. 
Elesarr
Reply #30 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:29 AM
Reply #30 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:29 AM
kona0197 - there are more drivers on your system than just the video card without being able to get my hands dirty and see what you actually have installed on your machine there is no way I can diagnose what is wrong with your machine. I can only share with you my professional experience in repairing SP2 related issues.
Again I wasn't accusing you of anything I was just telling you what I have expereiencd and what might be your problem. For as many people that have had problems with SP2 that many and more have not had any problems; my point is if it were the SP2 then everyone's computer would be messed up by installing it. If you are experiencing bootup issues then I would suggest that it is not SP2 but in fact a driver/software conflict - or you could have a faulty video card - have you tried a different card with different drivers? Do you have a video chip built-into the motherboard that you can use instead of an AGP or PCI slot and then check your boot time? There are many, many things that need to be looked at before making a blanket statement of what is wrong or isn't wrong.
Your machine specs really don't have anything to do with it. My mom is running WinXP Home on a Toshiba Satellite 2060CD with 162MB memory, a p3 proc, a 4GB harddrive, Office 2003 Professional, HP Photo Software and some other useful things (this is my old machine I bought used in 2000) and has SP2 installed with no issues of speed or anything else. BTW she had to install SP2 herself because I gave the computer to her 2 years ago and she lives in Oklahoma while I am in Seattle, so I did not do the SP2 install or anything "techie" to make it work right
Sherlock Holmes always talked about "deductive reasoning" and no matter how implausible or improbable the result it has to be the correct one if nothing else is left, so I postulate: Since all WinXP based computers in the world did not mess up and stop working properly when SP2 was installed, then we must look at the computers that were affected and see what they have in common. Almost always it is a hardware/software issue or the end-user has tweaked his/her system inappropriately which caused SP2 to have strange effects on their system.
The reason for most of these problems (as has been discussed in this thread already) is that they generally occur because of hardware and software/drivers/tweaks that do not play nice with WinXP - one of the reasons why Zero does a manual install of his auto Updates is to ensure there is no conflict, because as he has already pointed out he has his machine configured with the hardware and software he wants to use.
I really don't know how else to explain it.
Raymond
without being able to get my hands dirty and see what you actually have installed on your machine there is no way I can diagnose what is wrong with your machine. I can only share with you my professional experience in repairing SP2 related issues.Again I wasn't accusing you of anything I was just telling you what I have expereiencd and what might be your problem. For as many people that have had problems with SP2 that many and more have not had any problems; my point is if it were the SP2 then everyone's computer would be messed up by installing it. If you are experiencing bootup issues then I would suggest that it is not SP2 but in fact a driver/software conflict - or you could have a faulty video card - have you tried a different card with different drivers? Do you have a video chip built-into the motherboard that you can use instead of an AGP or PCI slot and then check your boot time? There are many, many things that need to be looked at before making a blanket statement of what is wrong or isn't wrong.
Your machine specs really don't have anything to do with it. My mom is running WinXP Home on a Toshiba Satellite 2060CD with 162MB memory, a p3 proc, a 4GB harddrive, Office 2003 Professional, HP Photo Software and some other useful things (this is my old machine I bought used in 2000) and has SP2 installed with no issues of speed or anything else. BTW she had to install SP2 herself because I gave the computer to her 2 years ago and she lives in Oklahoma while I am in Seattle, so I did not do the SP2 install or anything "techie" to make it work right
Sherlock Holmes always talked about "deductive reasoning" and no matter how implausible or improbable the result it has to be the correct one if nothing else is left, so I postulate: Since all WinXP based computers in the world did not mess up and stop working properly when SP2 was installed, then we must look at the computers that were affected and see what they have in common. Almost always it is a hardware/software issue or the end-user has tweaked his/her system inappropriately which caused SP2 to have strange effects on their system.
The reason for most of these problems (as has been discussed in this thread already) is that they generally occur because of hardware and software/drivers/tweaks that do not play nice with WinXP - one of the reasons why Zero does a manual install of his auto Updates is to ensure there is no conflict, because as he has already pointed out he has his machine configured with the hardware and software he wants to use.
I really don't know how else to explain it.
Raymond
kona0197
Reply #31 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 12:26 PM
Reply #31 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 12:26 PM
Raymond - Here is my system specs:
Shuttle socket A motherboard
AMD Athlon XP 2000+
Nvidia Nforce2 Chipset (NO onboard video)
Nvidia Gforce4 400 MX AGP 8x video card
512 Megs of Corsair 2100 DDR RAM
BTC 52x32x52 CDRW Dive
16x DVD-ROM
Lantec 10/100 PCI Net Card
Maxtor Fireball 3 40 Gig HDD
The only drivers I have to install when I reinstall XP are the Chipset (Nvidia) and Video Card (Nvidia) and I get those directly from Nvidias website.
I have tried old drivers and different hardware to no avail. SP2 slows the machine down to the point I want to through it across the room.
Shuttle socket A motherboard
AMD Athlon XP 2000+
Nvidia Nforce2 Chipset (NO onboard video)
Nvidia Gforce4 400 MX AGP 8x video card
512 Megs of Corsair 2100 DDR RAM
BTC 52x32x52 CDRW Dive
16x DVD-ROM
Lantec 10/100 PCI Net Card
Maxtor Fireball 3 40 Gig HDD
The only drivers I have to install when I reinstall XP are the Chipset (Nvidia) and Video Card (Nvidia) and I get those directly from Nvidias website.
I have tried old drivers and different hardware to no avail. SP2 slows the machine down to the point I want to through it across the room.
Elesarr
Reply #32 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 12:35 PM
Reply #32 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 12:35 PM
I would try a completely different vendor for a video card kona. Do you have a second machine? Are you experiencing the same problems with it? Have you contacted Microsoft Support and explained to them in detail the problems you are experiencing so they can walk you through the repair/uninstall?
Using the deductive reasoning theory you only have problems when you install the drivers for the chipset and video card, so that is where the problem probably lies.
I have a box here I built myself with an Nvidia Gforce Video Card and do not experience any boot up issues or application launch problems. The conflict is on your machine and may not easily be fixed.
Again, this is not the way to try and diagnose a problem such as yours as I have no way to look physically at your machine and watch what is installed, how the install is performed, etc etc. I am not trying to put you off, just explain it is not practical.
Raymond
Using the deductive reasoning theory you only have problems when you install the drivers for the chipset and video card, so that is where the problem probably lies.
I have a box here I built myself with an Nvidia Gforce Video Card and do not experience any boot up issues or application launch problems. The conflict is on your machine and may not easily be fixed.
Again, this is not the way to try and diagnose a problem such as yours as I have no way to look physically at your machine and watch what is installed, how the install is performed, etc etc. I am not trying to put you off, just explain it is not practical.
Raymond
kona0197
Reply #34 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:18 PM
Reply #34 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 1:18 PM
I'm using the latest DirectX and latest Nvidia drivers.
Even when I try using another video card the system still is very slow when using SP2.
Even when I try using another video card the system still is very slow when using SP2.
Double Zero
Reply #35 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 4:45 PM
Thanks Cindi, I will hopefully have time to install and run it tonite. Im sure it's a decent utility, I actually didnt mean to "Bash" it in itself, it was more of a comparison towards the cost of Windows, the rules attached, and the offer of a free spyware program..just doesnt seem to add up..
But, thanks to Raymond, I have redone the math!..LoL, and it does "Add -Up"
It is easy to forget that MS does infact offer us free patches and upgrades to the OS for as long as 10 years after the release of the last service pack.I am still able to get Windows98SE updates for a couple of my machines and alot of my friends. After considering tha,t as Raymond explained it to me (not in so many words, but I got it..LoL) I really have no justification to complain. MS does "take Care of Us" all a little better than they get credit for.
I just allowed my ornery side to get the better part of reason is all, I am better now..LoL
Zero.
Reply #35 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 4:45 PM
| I have had it since it came out, Zero. To my suprise it is a very good program. Another good tool in the arsenal line of defense. Cindi |
Thanks Cindi, I will hopefully have time to install and run it tonite. Im sure it's a decent utility, I actually didnt mean to "Bash" it in itself, it was more of a comparison towards the cost of Windows, the rules attached, and the offer of a free spyware program..just doesnt seem to add up..
But, thanks to Raymond, I have redone the math!..LoL, and it does "Add -Up"
It is easy to forget that MS does infact offer us free patches and upgrades to the OS for as long as 10 years after the release of the last service pack.I am still able to get Windows98SE updates for a couple of my machines and alot of my friends. After considering tha,t as Raymond explained it to me (not in so many words, but I got it..LoL) I really have no justification to complain. MS does "take Care of Us" all a little better than they get credit for.
I just allowed my ornery side to get the better part of reason is all, I am better now..LoL
Zero.
Elesarr
Reply #36 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 5:56 PM
Reply #36 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 5:56 PM
kona - the first link I posted for you to read indicates that the latest Nvidia drivers are not compatible with DirectX9.0c which is latest version of DirectX...
It really is not possible for me to diagnose your computer in this manner: however, by reading what you have posted and using deductive theory the problem with SP2 is going to be tied to a configuration involving the hardware/software on your computer in some way shape or form. That may not be palatable, but it is the only logical conclusion.
I appreciate the kind words, Zero.... but I was just getting used to your ornery side
Raymond
It really is not possible for me to diagnose your computer in this manner: however, by reading what you have posted and using deductive theory the problem with SP2 is going to be tied to a configuration involving the hardware/software on your computer in some way shape or form. That may not be palatable, but it is the only logical conclusion.
I appreciate the kind words, Zero.... but I was just getting used to your ornery side
Raymond
kona0197
Reply #37 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:10 PM
Reply #37 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:10 PM
Actually Raymond - the drivers they are talking about in your link are old drivers. 66.17 is outdated. The drivers I am using are 71.84 and they are DirectX compatible.
_02
Reply #38 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:01 PM
It happens to the best of us Zero! I have had my moments on some of the threads. Anyway, glad you're feeling better! No offense or harm done. I know how you feel about MS. Sometimes I feel the same way! Cindi
Reply #38 Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:01 PM
| I just allowed my ornery side to get the better part of reason is all |
It happens to the best of us Zero! I have had my moments on some of the threads. Anyway, glad you're feeling better! No offense or harm done. I know how you feel about MS. Sometimes I feel the same way! Cindi
Elesarr
Reply #39 Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:44 AM
Reply #39 Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:44 AM
Well, I discovered something today as I did my Auto Update installs: Zero, clwoods I hate to say it but you are misinformed when it comes to the Auto Update feature of the new Windows Update Service. One does have the option to install updates one at a time or remove updates that have been found. You only have to choose a "Custom Install" when you are informed that updates are ready to be installed. Please see the attached images. I just wanted everyone to be aware of this functionality since the overall feeling of this thread is that Microsoft tries to limit and control everyone's computing environment. I will add that one probably has to have SP2 installed on their machine, but I cannot confirm that since I have no machines that are SP2 free.
Raymond
Raymond
Double Zero
Reply #40 Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:12 AM
Reply #40 Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:12 AM
I discovered the very same thing Raymond, when I was doing a little work on a friends PC over the weekend.. Of course I was keepin it quiet!..LoL! shhhhhhhhhhhh!
Zero.;
Zero.;
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Reply #21 Tuesday, April 5, 2005 4:25 PM