An artist packs his bags...
such a waste
Saturday, March 19, 2005 by Double Zero | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Well..apparently comments made upon a certain artists WB has caused rash decisions to be made, it is unfortunate.
I can see his point, the accusations were serious from an artistic point of view, I can see the "Accusors" point of view as well, tho I wonder, could this have been handled through Email, clearing up what I believe is simple coincidence? instead of publically accusing someone of something as serious as plagerism? ::sighs::
I do not know what the answers are, and I am not here to argue anybodies point..I simply would like to say it is too bad that these events have led to the loss of someone that is clearly as talented as the artisit is that has been accused and has left WC..
I hope it isnt perhaps to late for something to be worked out, but I am sure it is, both sides of the accusations are pretty steadfast in their actions and convictions..who really suffers? That would be the people now deprived of enjoying the work in question that is now no longer available to them..WC doesnt suffer..in Jafo's words.."It is your loss" and perhaps thats true..somewhat..but not completely..WC has lost something as well..but it is those that would have enjoyed the skin for what it is that have truly lost..over what?..a difference of opinion? Serious accusations made before finding out the exact truth?..
I dont know guys, I just think there must be a better way to handle incidents like this in the future..
And to the artist is question..you will be missed..
To the artists that felt plagerized.. I do still enjoy your works as well, if they were copied..that would not change.
It is simply too bad is all,
Zero.
I can see his point, the accusations were serious from an artistic point of view, I can see the "Accusors" point of view as well, tho I wonder, could this have been handled through Email, clearing up what I believe is simple coincidence? instead of publically accusing someone of something as serious as plagerism? ::sighs::
I do not know what the answers are, and I am not here to argue anybodies point..I simply would like to say it is too bad that these events have led to the loss of someone that is clearly as talented as the artisit is that has been accused and has left WC..
I hope it isnt perhaps to late for something to be worked out, but I am sure it is, both sides of the accusations are pretty steadfast in their actions and convictions..who really suffers? That would be the people now deprived of enjoying the work in question that is now no longer available to them..WC doesnt suffer..in Jafo's words.."It is your loss" and perhaps thats true..somewhat..but not completely..WC has lost something as well..but it is those that would have enjoyed the skin for what it is that have truly lost..over what?..a difference of opinion? Serious accusations made before finding out the exact truth?..
I dont know guys, I just think there must be a better way to handle incidents like this in the future..
And to the artist is question..you will be missed..
To the artists that felt plagerized.. I do still enjoy your works as well, if they were copied..that would not change.
It is simply too bad is all,
Zero.
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Koasati
Reply #22 Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:39 AM
Reply #22 Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:39 AM
| The only thing that still bugs me is HOW DO I MAKE A SIX STATE TITLEBAR BUTTON!!! I've tried and tried, and still can't figure out how to add the other three states. |
In SKS... Left Tree; Window Border > Titlebar Buttons -Free form.
Right Tree; Titlebar Button -Type > "Active AND inactive- 6 buttons in image" 
Double Zero
Reply #23 Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:38 AM
Well, news flash..::laughs:: You are..especialy to at least one mans son that you have made very happy with your skin, that signifies "Importance" ::nods::
WoM..get over it...I dont think we need more than a necessary few parading through here with the "Holier than thou" attitude. Some have a rite and a resposibility to have that attitude and some would simply do well to allow those that should, to point out the obvious..as is the case.
I simply opened a topic for discussion trying to show my support for the "Artist" that was pretty angry, angry enough to leave WC.I had no other way to talk to him, so this was a perfect spot to begin. It seems that my whole point has been missed however.. but thats ok because everything worked out..this time..the kids are happy again..LoL..they have Godzilla..
Zero.
Reply #23 Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:38 AM
| I really didn't think I was that important to start a thread about! and yes Jaffo was very correct. I did jump the gun, and feel horrible about it |
Well, news flash..::laughs:: You are..especialy to at least one mans son that you have made very happy with your skin, that signifies "Importance" ::nods::
WoM..get over it...I dont think we need more than a necessary few parading through here with the "Holier than thou" attitude. Some have a rite and a resposibility to have that attitude and some would simply do well to allow those that should, to point out the obvious..as is the case.
I simply opened a topic for discussion trying to show my support for the "Artist" that was pretty angry, angry enough to leave WC.I had no other way to talk to him, so this was a perfect spot to begin. It seems that my whole point has been missed however.. but thats ok because everything worked out..this time..the kids are happy again..LoL..they have Godzilla..
Zero.
WOM
Reply #24 Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:31 AM
Reply #24 Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:31 AM
I can see your not to bright Double zero as you can't see this wasn't ment for you, but for the people who jump before all the facts are known.
Double Zero
Reply #25 Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:50 AM
Reply #25 Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:50 AM
::laughs and nods:: Perhaps your correct WoM..
I am not afraid to admit I misunderstood something that was vague in nature..when being "Vague" it is sometimes difficult to understand "who" "what" was meant for..
I cannot blame the others for their reactions though, a creation is something to be proud of and defended. I just say that perhaps there was a better way to get all the facts before publically ridiculing an artists work that was approved through moderation to begin with, with accusations that are as serious as those being pointed..
Nightwing did the right thing, explained himself and gave credit to those that inspired him..that speaks for itself, some would have been closed to that alternative.
A cool WB lives on and everyone turns out to be one big happy family again..::laughs::
I may not be too "bright" as it were,
but I am very satisfied with the turn of events..
And besides, I did not yet have my coffee when I answered..dangerous time..LoL
Take care WoM,
No hard feelings here,
Zero.
I am not afraid to admit I misunderstood something that was vague in nature..when being "Vague" it is sometimes difficult to understand "who" "what" was meant for..
I cannot blame the others for their reactions though, a creation is something to be proud of and defended. I just say that perhaps there was a better way to get all the facts before publically ridiculing an artists work that was approved through moderation to begin with, with accusations that are as serious as those being pointed..
Nightwing did the right thing, explained himself and gave credit to those that inspired him..that speaks for itself, some would have been closed to that alternative.
A cool WB lives on and everyone turns out to be one big happy family again..::laughs::
I may not be too "bright" as it were,
but I am very satisfied with the turn of events..
And besides, I did not yet have my coffee when I answered..dangerous time..LoL
Take care WoM,
No hard feelings here,
Zero.
NightwingDragon
Reply #27 Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:28 PM
I couldn't agree more! Coffee is lifesblood.
I swear I feel like Dracula "the blodd is the life"....lol Sorry Jafo I'll remember the one f. Wizop Koasati, THANK YOU! I will try it. The reason I need it so bad is so I can finally have active/inactive windows, and needed 6 states for the "add to border", and "cut from border" buttons. As I stated in my DA journal DZ you're a true friend. Jafo, and Treetog, are true gentlemen, and awesome skinners.
Once again, thank you all for your earnest support. Also It's good to see that someone aside from me digs Big G as much as I do.
I remember watching him, and the other Kaiju on channel 56 (massachussetts) every Sat. on a show called Creature Double Feature. The days when innocents was still abound, and preconceptions didn't exist....lol
Reply #27 Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:28 PM
| I did not yet have my coffee when I answered..dangerous time..LoL |
I couldn't agree more! Coffee is lifesblood.
I swear I feel like Dracula "the blodd is the life"....lol Sorry Jafo I'll remember the one f. Wizop Koasati, THANK YOU! I will try it. The reason I need it so bad is so I can finally have active/inactive windows, and needed 6 states for the "add to border", and "cut from border" buttons. As I stated in my DA journal DZ you're a true friend. Jafo, and Treetog, are true gentlemen, and awesome skinners.
Once again, thank you all for your earnest support. Also It's good to see that someone aside from me digs Big G as much as I do.
I remember watching him, and the other Kaiju on channel 56 (massachussetts) every Sat. on a show called Creature Double Feature. The days when innocents was still abound, and preconceptions didn't exist....lol
NightwingDragon
Reply #28 Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:37 PM
Reply #28 Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:37 PM
SONOFABITCH! Wizop K you da MAN!! Dude thx pooploads bro I've been bangin my head 'gainst the wall for days! (litterally) ouch, still tender! 
~Angelic DestinE
Reply #29 Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:44 PM
Reply #29 Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:44 PM
???? You mean there was actually a controversial post that my name wasn't in? OMG call the National Weather Bureau coz Hell just froze over. 
I must be losing my touch or not paying attention enough but oh well... glad whatever happened is all sorted out and we can all go back to making blinds and stuff. However, on that note I do have a question. If you take a small image such as the X, square and - on a titlebar from someone else's blind and recolor it in your own photoshop are you stealing? Just want to ask because I was thinking of making a blind but want to be 100% original.
I must be losing my touch or not paying attention enough but oh well... glad whatever happened is all sorted out and we can all go back to making blinds and stuff. However, on that note I do have a question. If you take a small image such as the X, square and - on a titlebar from someone else's blind and recolor it in your own photoshop are you stealing? Just want to ask because I was thinking of making a blind but want to be 100% original.
Snowman
Reply #30 Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:25 PM
Reply #30 Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:25 PM
| If you take a small image such as the X, square and - on a titlebar from someone else's blind and recolor it in your own photoshop are you stealing? |
yes
Fairyy~
Reply #31 Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:00 PM
Don't you love Happy Endings
Reply #31 Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:00 PM
#29 by Citizen Angel on Ice Sunday, March 20, 2005 Reply Quote Watch [Angel on Ice] ???? You mean there was actually a controversial post that my name wasn't in? OMG call the National Weather Bureau coz Hell just froze over |
Don't you love Happy Endings
Double Zero
Reply #32 Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:05 PM
Reply #32 Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:05 PM
Nightwing - Thanks!!, Now quit making a specticle of yourself and go CREATE!!..LoL!! J/K
Angel - Sheesh!, now all the trouble makers are here..LoL J/K
Fairyy - I agree, happy endings are awesome!, so often it turns out the other way around!
Take care!,
Zero.
Angel - Sheesh!, now all the trouble makers are here..LoL J/K
Fairyy - I agree, happy endings are awesome!, so often it turns out the other way around!
Take care!,
Zero.
Koasati
Reply #33 Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:32 PM
Reply #33 Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:32 PM
| If you take a small image such as the X, square and - on a titlebar from someone else's blind and recolor it in your own photoshop are you stealing? Just want to ask because I was thinking of making a blind but want to be 100% original. |
It's stealing if you plan to share it. You can do what you please for personal use only....... but think about what you said. It can't be 100% original, if you borrow images.
NightwingDragon
Reply #34 Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:26 PM
Reply #34 Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:26 PM
OK that's it! *looks for dull rusty razor blade* I'm gonna cry! All I want is an animated titlebar. That's all I ask for, but nooooooo, not for me, God hates me!....lol j/k. I am however in need of some assistance. I'm working on my new skin, and trying to animate the titlebar, but it isn't showing, in the skintest or the actual wb. the image is 16 frames from top to bottom, I have it set to dynamic, (disabled it to see if it would help) but nothing seems to work. Not even in the code. I figured I'd see something similar to the soundenabled=1, but nadda. I even did the same to the B,L,and R, thinking it would help. I know when I was working on my AL start menu the contents margin would screw up the animations if they were set a certain way but that's not the case either. If someone could please help me it would be greatly appreciated, until then I guess I'll work on some of the other elements. Thank you.
kona0197
Reply #35 Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:51 PM
I don't know about that line of reasoning - after all PLENTY of companies revese engineer another compaines product, change one thing, and then get a patent for it and no one claims foul ball.
Reply #35 Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:51 PM
| It's stealing if you plan to share it. You can do what you please for personal use only....... but think about what you said. It can't be 100% original, if you borrow images. |
I don't know about that line of reasoning - after all PLENTY of companies revese engineer another compaines product, change one thing, and then get a patent for it and no one claims foul ball.
Double Zero
Reply #36 Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:47 PM
Reply #36 Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:47 PM
Ya know..Kona has a point..and as far as the "X" button itself..I have witnessed it being the same button that came with windows only skinned..is this not doing exactly what Angel is asking? if she doesnt actually use the "Titlebar" that perhaps is a unique creation..using the button shouldnt be an issue..but even so..Title bars are pretty basic..as far as the foundation of them..Rounded, squared..really the only true difference is the "clothes" it's wearing..She could probably use the entire thing and re-dress it and call it hers..
Unless the "X" button was turned into a very unique graffic that you could honestly say is a creation of a certain artist (as some of them are indeed) I cannot see the harm of changing the appearance of basically a standard button..
I may be wrong..I am no skinner ..yet..::laughs:: one day I will grow up to become one..LoL
But apparently it does happen all the time..
Zero.
Unless the "X" button was turned into a very unique graffic that you could honestly say is a creation of a certain artist (as some of them are indeed) I cannot see the harm of changing the appearance of basically a standard button..
I may be wrong..I am no skinner ..yet..::laughs:: one day I will grow up to become one..LoL
But apparently it does happen all the time..
Zero.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #37 Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:35 PM
Reply #37 Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:35 PM
to answer a few questions...
if you take an other artists image and alter it and redistibute it .. your redistributing anothers altered works.. "theres issues with copywrites" ...also the degree of the altering comes in to play .....example ..** i take wallpaper XX from here at 1024x768 open it in paint . and blank it out then draw a whole new wall from scratch and upload it as wallpaper ZZ. im essentially redistributeing anothers "file" .. but the art work is all my own... usually no one complains abt this as the finished product looks nothing like the original...when the image is only slightly altered but still resembles the original.. then normally it will be considered a rip...
if you build an image "from scratch" to resemble anothers work you are emulateing anothers style/works.. emulation is more accepted as long as the works have an "inspired by" addition to the credits .. i mean its only fair.. if you use anothers design style to build something. you should let every one know who inspired you .. not only does it give the inspireing author due credit .. but makes you look more honorable to say "hey this person inspired me and they deserve credit"...
this is just my 2 cents ...
if you take an other artists image and alter it and redistibute it .. your redistributing anothers altered works.. "theres issues with copywrites" ...also the degree of the altering comes in to play .....example ..** i take wallpaper XX from here at 1024x768 open it in paint . and blank it out then draw a whole new wall from scratch and upload it as wallpaper ZZ. im essentially redistributeing anothers "file" .. but the art work is all my own... usually no one complains abt this as the finished product looks nothing like the original...when the image is only slightly altered but still resembles the original.. then normally it will be considered a rip...
if you build an image "from scratch" to resemble anothers work you are emulateing anothers style/works.. emulation is more accepted as long as the works have an "inspired by" addition to the credits .. i mean its only fair.. if you use anothers design style to build something. you should let every one know who inspired you .. not only does it give the inspireing author due credit .. but makes you look more honorable to say "hey this person inspired me and they deserve credit"...
this is just my 2 cents ...
HG_Eliminator
Reply #38 Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:40 PM
Reply #38 Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:40 PM
as for buttons and bars... there is only so many ways to draw an X .. no one will complain that you drew an X .. what will get peeps mad .. is if they drew that X, you take it recolor it green or something and upload it as your own creation...to draw such basic elements is the norm as most skins require these things .. but there is a differance between drawing an X and uploading it .. and useing some one elses X and uploading it ..
joeKnowledge
Reply #39 Monday, March 21, 2005 5:52 PM
Reply #39 Monday, March 21, 2005 5:52 PM
... ok, so now that all the formal chat is done.... WHO IS HE???!??!?!?
Double Zero
Reply #40 Monday, March 21, 2005 6:46 PM
Reply #40 Monday, March 21, 2005 6:46 PM
::takes joe by the shoulders, spins him around and points at Nightwings posts:: There he is!..LOL
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Reply #21 Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:30 AM