How is our patience tested this day?
Thursday, February 3, 2005 by Sleeping Dragon | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Well we all know that this new site is in need of extermination. There are bugs every day and it seems as if they are always different. Today I am trying to submit a skin, and the page for that just loads forever and nothing happens. No time out, no error, just looks as if it's loading. Throbber is throbbing, the whole bit. For a half an hour it loads and still nothing. This site is REALLY cool, but I think that the patience of many is being tried.
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Jafo
Reply #42 Tuesday, February 8, 2005 12:35 AM
Reply #42 Tuesday, February 8, 2005 12:35 AM
I use ZtreeWin to log the folders...then I tag everything in the cache...including the read-only stuff .... and do a global delete...including the protected folders as well.
I dump the lot.
IE regenerates the folders as needed anyway...
horiz0n
Reply #43 Tuesday, February 8, 2005 5:18 AM
Reply #43 Tuesday, February 8, 2005 5:18 AM
Everything is running properly here now, able to rate skins again, the forums are working right for me on keeping track of whats read and unread and so forth, and the site feels like it's loading a lot more consistent, instead of super slow, then super fast and everything in between.
WebGizmos
Reply #44 Tuesday, February 8, 2005 5:24 AM
Reply #44 Tuesday, February 8, 2005 5:24 AM
Right now I'm using CCleaner, and I've used ilSystemWiper a few times as well. I checked out zTreeWin and it looks pretty good, but money is tight right now. And since they switched over to the Chicago server it seems to have solved the problems I was having for the moment. 
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #45 Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:48 PM
Reply #45 Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:48 PM
none of the buttons (image, bold, quote ...) nor the smilies are working.
WebGizmos
Reply #46 Friday, February 11, 2005 1:32 AM
Reply #46 Friday, February 11, 2005 1:32 AM
I'm back to the page not found thing again. Go to one page, hit the back button and poof. I have to back out of the site completely in order to go forward.
kona0197
Reply #47 Friday, February 11, 2005 2:29 AM
Reply #47 Friday, February 11, 2005 2:29 AM
I've had about 7 or 8 of those "page not found" errors today. And the envelops are STILL acting up. I understand traffic is heavy on the site right now but I thought the subscribers had access to the faster servers. 2 months after launch and the site is getting WORSE. 
BTW Thank you T-Man and crew for holding the site together as much as humanly possible.
BTW Thank you T-Man and crew for holding the site together as much as humanly possible.
JanOscar
Reply #48 Friday, February 11, 2005 4:19 AM
Every day would be more in place, I think.
¤ The old site was faster. "Subscribers have access to faster servers." Two months ago, maybe... Some single pages here load faster, but some never load, and I have to click through more pages to get to where I want.
¤ The new site looks like crap. Almost all the site-skins on the old site looked better than wc2k5.
¤ Can't save the enhanced library view. (Another two extra clicks to get things the way I want it)
¤ I am an Object Desktop & Wincustomize subscriber and don't care if T-Man and his team have to spend most their time working on other projects and sites like JoeUser, GalCiv, Totalgaming, PoliticalMachine, XPThemes or whatever. I have paid for a product which has not been delivered the way it should since December. How's that for patience? Will the subscribtion time be extended as compensation, since the product is not delivered in time? (That'll be day!) They had time enough to add new sections to the library to generate more hits and get new subscribers, so the money comes first more often at WC than ever before, it seems.
¤ The e-mails are not showing on the personal pages for those who want it. How can that be so hard to fix?
¤ The rating system sucks. Can't see how many rated and five points makes it more difficult to rate. What was so terribly wrong with the old ten point system that everybody seeemed to appreciate?
¤ The stats on the personal pages are worng.
¤ Some threads in the forums and comment section under "my skins" takes forever to be marked as read
¤ "The best thing to do is send an email to me at [email protected] and to [email protected] (aka FlyinHawaiin aka King Punjabi) and describe the problem in detail." What planet or drug are you on? The problems here are as old as the new site, for heavens sake!
...and I could go on and on, and you ask how our patience is tested? No, I'm not mad. Just had to get it out of my system.
Reply #48 Friday, February 11, 2005 4:19 AM
| How is our patience tested this day? |
Every day would be more in place, I think.
¤ The old site was faster. "Subscribers have access to faster servers." Two months ago, maybe... Some single pages here load faster, but some never load, and I have to click through more pages to get to where I want.
¤ The new site looks like crap. Almost all the site-skins on the old site looked better than wc2k5.
¤ Can't save the enhanced library view. (Another two extra clicks to get things the way I want it)
¤ I am an Object Desktop & Wincustomize subscriber and don't care if T-Man and his team have to spend most their time working on other projects and sites like JoeUser, GalCiv, Totalgaming, PoliticalMachine, XPThemes or whatever. I have paid for a product which has not been delivered the way it should since December. How's that for patience? Will the subscribtion time be extended as compensation, since the product is not delivered in time? (That'll be day!) They had time enough to add new sections to the library to generate more hits and get new subscribers, so the money comes first more often at WC than ever before, it seems.
¤ The e-mails are not showing on the personal pages for those who want it. How can that be so hard to fix?
¤ The rating system sucks. Can't see how many rated and five points makes it more difficult to rate. What was so terribly wrong with the old ten point system that everybody seeemed to appreciate?
¤ The stats on the personal pages are worng.
¤ Some threads in the forums and comment section under "my skins" takes forever to be marked as read
¤ "The best thing to do is send an email to me at [email protected] and to [email protected] (aka FlyinHawaiin aka King Punjabi) and describe the problem in detail." What planet or drug are you on? The problems here are as old as the new site, for heavens sake!
...and I could go on and on, and you ask how our patience is tested? No, I'm not mad. Just had to get it out of my system.
JanOscar
Reply #49 Friday, February 11, 2005 4:25 AM
Reply #49 Friday, February 11, 2005 4:25 AM
And trying to watch this thread gives me this page every time:
Server Error in '/' Application.
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Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code.
Exception Details: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
Source Error:
An unhandled exception was generated during the execution of the current web request. Information regarding the origin and location of the exception can be identified using the exception stack trace below.
Stack Trace:
[NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.]
Wincustomize.UC_ManageWatch.Page_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e) +105
System.Web.UI.Control.OnLoad(EventArgs e) +67
System.Web.UI.Control.LoadRecursive() +35
System.Web.UI.Control.LoadRecursive() +98
System.Web.UI.Control.LoadRecursive() +98
System.Web.UI.Control.LoadRecursive() +98
System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequestMain() +772
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Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:1.1.4322.2032; ASP.NET Version:1.1.4322.2032
Server Error in '/' Application.
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Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code.
Exception Details: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
Source Error:
An unhandled exception was generated during the execution of the current web request. Information regarding the origin and location of the exception can be identified using the exception stack trace below.
Stack Trace:
[NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.]
Wincustomize.UC_ManageWatch.Page_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e) +105
System.Web.UI.Control.OnLoad(EventArgs e) +67
System.Web.UI.Control.LoadRecursive() +35
System.Web.UI.Control.LoadRecursive() +98
System.Web.UI.Control.LoadRecursive() +98
System.Web.UI.Control.LoadRecursive() +98
System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequestMain() +772
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Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:1.1.4322.2032; ASP.NET Version:1.1.4322.2032
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #50 Friday, February 11, 2005 7:02 AM
Reply #50 Friday, February 11, 2005 7:02 AM
and you ask how our patience is tested?
I asked, Yrgal, also out of frustration.
I asked, Yrgal, also out of frustration.
JanOscar
Reply #51 Friday, February 11, 2005 10:53 AM
Reply #51 Friday, February 11, 2005 10:53 AM
Sorry Sleeping Dragon, that was not for you, but for those responsible for this site since they seem to be asking the same questions over and over again.
butch123
Reply #53 Friday, February 11, 2005 11:27 AM
Reply #53 Friday, February 11, 2005 11:27 AM
webgizmos if you have System Mechanic 5 Professional,you can
properly clean your cache with no worries, i use it with 100% resaults..for me anyways
properly clean your cache with no worries, i use it with 100% resaults..for me anyways
horiz0n
Reply #54 Friday, February 11, 2005 12:57 PM
Reply #54 Friday, February 11, 2005 12:57 PM
The sites apparently working nearly 100% for me, smileys, forum posts and the message markers, I can rate again ( giddy laugh 
) the only error I get is the occasional "Server Error in '/' Application."
The things I miss are the rating system being 10 points, instant, and showing how many ratings a skin has received and showing what you rated it to be, so you knew whether or not you did rate it
I miss the "show everything" type of system, showing all comments, and all skins, and such instead of after so many you go into multiple pages. I hate going through page after page, when it's faster overall to just load it all once, than load the entire page minus some text 3 or 4 times.
I miss the navigation always being the same in the sub menus, well I take that back, I like how it adapts to pages and instead of top authors etc for Wincustomize in general, show top authors etc for the specific library. But I think the library itself should always be on every page.
I miss when you clicked on an authors name and hit "view my skins" it used to show in order of type and so forth, every skin that author has made in a single page, with thumbnails and description. Now it shows the list view of "my skins" which brings me also to the my most missed thing from the old site.
By far the biggest thing I miss, and I'm sure I'm not alone on this, is the "My Skins" page. Now once I figured out what the refferals are that was added to "My Skins" page I'll admit I absolutely love the feature of seeing how much outside attention it brings, and where from, thats completely awesome for a "feature".
What I miss is how and what was displayed. It used to list skins in order of type, by example of my page, all wallpapers first, all object dock skins second, and within each type, all were listed in alphabetical order. In the new version, It shows them all by order of "Newest or Most Recently Updated". So instead of all wallpapers from a-z, then all objectdock from a-z, I get..
wallpaper
object dock
object dock
wallpaper
wallpaper
wallpaper
object dock
wallpaper
object dock
object dock
wallpaper
object dock....
in short, just a cluttered looking mess, and the people that have like 6-7 different catagories they submit in, I can only imagine the strain on the eyesies you get each day.
Another part that really kills me is the multiple page thing again, my skins used to show one list of absolutely everything, whereas now you get the cluttered list of like 30 or 40 then have to go to page 2, page 3, page 4, I can only imagine how hard it is for people like apoc, andi, etc..to look at your list and compare and get a good overall view of your skins when you have to go through 10 different pages, and can't see everything listed at once, and it seems like it's a random order.
It was much more efficient when it listed and showed absolutely everything on one page, sorted by catagory of library, and listed individual items of each in alphabetical order. I don't see any need for making a user look at 20 different pages especially for this instance because it's a list view, not a thumbnail view, it only shows the same 16x16 pictures over and over and the rest is all text. And if I haven't whined enough about my skins, I have one last thing to say
I know people have to agree with me on this one, TOTALS/AVG!!
The old my skins page used to show these for each thing at the bottom of the page that showed EVERYTHING, Total Comments, Average Rating, Total Downloads Today, and Total Downloads Overall.
So if I had a wincustomize genie that would grant me one wish, I'd wish for the "My Skins" page to have all the features it does now, but work like it used to. Such as...
List absolutely every skin that author has on a single page, group skins together by library catagory, then list the skins in each group alphabetically (like it used to). Then add in the new part like it has now of showing, comments, rating, referrals, site referrals, downloads today, and downloads overall for each skin. Then at the bottom of the page TOTALS/AVG for the new and old stuff
Total Comments, Average Rating, Total Referrals, Total Site Referrals, Total Downloads Today, and Total Downloads Overall.
Then after everything was working right like it used to, with the new items. THEN ADD THE NEW FEATURES, like Display Catagory (just wallpapers), Sort by (any of the options like downloads, name, updated), and when you pick specific catagories like that, make the TOTALS/AVG change to apply to that specific library. It might also be nice to have it so when the main part of my skins shows all skins listed by catagory then name in each, perhaps subtotals.
So if it showed all wallpapers first, listed them through a-z, show at the bottom of wallpapers the totals/avg for wallpapers, then under that, show all object dock, listed through a-z, show at the bottom of object dock list the totals/avg for your object dock skins, then under THAT, the totals/avg for everything.
Other than that, which is a kinda long rant, the email thing is needed, I liked being able to customize the libraries shown (which is probably still available I'm just overlooking) and when we had that username/access level bug a while back, that reminded me I couldn't find the place to change titles (which I'm also probably overlooking)
As it stands though, all my crying is over the design part of how the site works, the fact that the site is working for me again makes me pretty happy. The site working or not working, is different than whether it works like you want, or having to get used to it.
Here's something you can compare after reading all that.
https://www.wincustomize.com/myskins.asp?AuthorID=685985
http://independanthorizons.wincustomize.com/myskins.aspx?SID=5257&UID=685985
sorry that I keep writing novels recently
) the only error I get is the occasional "Server Error in '/' Application."The things I miss are the rating system being 10 points, instant, and showing how many ratings a skin has received and showing what you rated it to be, so you knew whether or not you did rate it
I miss the "show everything" type of system, showing all comments, and all skins, and such instead of after so many you go into multiple pages. I hate going through page after page, when it's faster overall to just load it all once, than load the entire page minus some text 3 or 4 times.
I miss the navigation always being the same in the sub menus, well I take that back, I like how it adapts to pages and instead of top authors etc for Wincustomize in general, show top authors etc for the specific library. But I think the library itself should always be on every page.
I miss when you clicked on an authors name and hit "view my skins" it used to show in order of type and so forth, every skin that author has made in a single page, with thumbnails and description. Now it shows the list view of "my skins" which brings me also to the my most missed thing from the old site.
By far the biggest thing I miss, and I'm sure I'm not alone on this, is the "My Skins" page. Now once I figured out what the refferals are that was added to "My Skins" page I'll admit I absolutely love the feature of seeing how much outside attention it brings, and where from, thats completely awesome for a "feature".
What I miss is how and what was displayed. It used to list skins in order of type, by example of my page, all wallpapers first, all object dock skins second, and within each type, all were listed in alphabetical order. In the new version, It shows them all by order of "Newest or Most Recently Updated". So instead of all wallpapers from a-z, then all objectdock from a-z, I get..
wallpaper
object dock
object dock
wallpaper
wallpaper
wallpaper
object dock
wallpaper
object dock
object dock
wallpaper
object dock....
in short, just a cluttered looking mess, and the people that have like 6-7 different catagories they submit in, I can only imagine the strain on the eyesies you get each day.
Another part that really kills me is the multiple page thing again, my skins used to show one list of absolutely everything, whereas now you get the cluttered list of like 30 or 40 then have to go to page 2, page 3, page 4, I can only imagine how hard it is for people like apoc, andi, etc..to look at your list and compare and get a good overall view of your skins when you have to go through 10 different pages, and can't see everything listed at once, and it seems like it's a random order.
It was much more efficient when it listed and showed absolutely everything on one page, sorted by catagory of library, and listed individual items of each in alphabetical order. I don't see any need for making a user look at 20 different pages especially for this instance because it's a list view, not a thumbnail view, it only shows the same 16x16 pictures over and over and the rest is all text. And if I haven't whined enough about my skins, I have one last thing to say
I know people have to agree with me on this one, TOTALS/AVG!!
The old my skins page used to show these for each thing at the bottom of the page that showed EVERYTHING, Total Comments, Average Rating, Total Downloads Today, and Total Downloads Overall.
So if I had a wincustomize genie that would grant me one wish, I'd wish for the "My Skins" page to have all the features it does now, but work like it used to. Such as...
List absolutely every skin that author has on a single page, group skins together by library catagory, then list the skins in each group alphabetically (like it used to). Then add in the new part like it has now of showing, comments, rating, referrals, site referrals, downloads today, and downloads overall for each skin. Then at the bottom of the page TOTALS/AVG for the new and old stuff
Total Comments, Average Rating, Total Referrals, Total Site Referrals, Total Downloads Today, and Total Downloads Overall.
Then after everything was working right like it used to, with the new items. THEN ADD THE NEW FEATURES, like Display Catagory (just wallpapers), Sort by (any of the options like downloads, name, updated), and when you pick specific catagories like that, make the TOTALS/AVG change to apply to that specific library. It might also be nice to have it so when the main part of my skins shows all skins listed by catagory then name in each, perhaps subtotals.
So if it showed all wallpapers first, listed them through a-z, show at the bottom of wallpapers the totals/avg for wallpapers, then under that, show all object dock, listed through a-z, show at the bottom of object dock list the totals/avg for your object dock skins, then under THAT, the totals/avg for everything.
Other than that, which is a kinda long rant, the email thing is needed, I liked being able to customize the libraries shown (which is probably still available I'm just overlooking) and when we had that username/access level bug a while back, that reminded me I couldn't find the place to change titles (which I'm also probably overlooking)
As it stands though, all my crying is over the design part of how the site works, the fact that the site is working for me again makes me pretty happy. The site working or not working, is different than whether it works like you want, or having to get used to it.
Here's something you can compare after reading all that.
https://www.wincustomize.com/myskins.asp?AuthorID=685985
http://independanthorizons.wincustomize.com/myskins.aspx?SID=5257&UID=685985
sorry that I keep writing novels recently
horiz0n
Reply #55 Friday, February 11, 2005 1:03 PM
Reply #55 Friday, February 11, 2005 1:03 PM
Oh yeah, and the personal websites that we get, I completely love the way it works, by showing the user info on left, 5 most current on right, then shows you 10 side by side (or other way if you prefer) after that. The only thing I would ever really want changed out of that is maybe more customize features. But I really like it how it is now.
Maybe being able to change even slightly, graphics or layout, or feature certain skins n' things, would be nice down the road.
And for the most part, I like the way this site looks compared to the other, something I'm not so sure people would agree with me on, I SAID IT ANYWAY!!
Maybe being able to change even slightly, graphics or layout, or feature certain skins n' things, would be nice down the road.
And for the most part, I like the way this site looks compared to the other, something I'm not so sure people would agree with me on, I SAID IT ANYWAY!!
kona0197
Reply #56 Friday, February 11, 2005 4:24 PM
I as well miss the old "My skins" page. Listed by TYPE would be nice.
I WISH that there was a "Grand total" on the My Skins page - instead you have to click on stats. that wasn't a good idea.
Reply #56 Friday, February 11, 2005 4:24 PM
| By far the biggest thing I miss, and I'm sure I'm not alone on this, is the "My Skins" page. Now once I figured out what the refferals are that was added to "My Skins" page I'll admit I absolutely love the feature of seeing how much outside attention it brings, and where from, thats completely awesome for a "feature". What I miss is how and what was displayed. It used to list skins in order of type, by example of my page, all wallpapers first, all object dock skins second, and within each type, all were listed in alphabetical order. In the new version, It shows them all by order of "Newest or Most Recently Updated". So instead of all wallpapers from a-z, then all objectdock from a-z, I get.. |
I as well miss the old "My skins" page. Listed by TYPE would be nice.
| know people have to agree with me on this one, TOTALS/AVG!! The old my skins page used to show these for each thing at the bottom of the page that showed EVERYTHING, Total Comments, Average Rating, Total Downloads Today, and Total Downloads Overall. |
I WISH that there was a "Grand total" on the My Skins page - instead you have to click on stats. that wasn't a good idea.
WebGizmos
Reply #57 Friday, February 11, 2005 5:20 PM
Reply #57 Friday, February 11, 2005 5:20 PM
Butch123...I've tried a System Mechanic...and it worked pretty good...but I don't think it's my cache that has been causing the problems as some might suggest. The problem is the site itself. I don't have any of these problems anywhere else and I visit others site as much if not more than here. So if cache was the problem I would think I'd have these same problems elsewhere.
And with the old site I never had problems with my cache or anything else. And I think I do a pretty good job at cleaning my pc on a regular basis. So since these problems all started after the change over from the old site to the new...I think it's safe to say the problem is here.
And with the old site I never had problems with my cache or anything else. And I think I do a pretty good job at cleaning my pc on a regular basis. So since these problems all started after the change over from the old site to the new...I think it's safe to say the problem is here.
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #60 Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:36 AM
Reply #60 Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:36 AM
smilies still not working, quote not working, previous page/next page not working. Not thrilling at all. "Disappointing" might be a better comment.
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Reply #41 Tuesday, February 8, 2005 12:07 AM