Is the Constitution a non-smokers Document?
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 by wmsco | Discussion: Blogging
We have passed Legislation limiting the Rights of smokers, where they can Eat, what restaurants, what jobs, put out in the cold, what appartments etc., the list goes on and on!
Did we do this to the different nationalities? Did we legalise a certain life style?
If we squeeze out the last smoker, who is next?
Did we do this to the different nationalities? Did we legalise a certain life style?
If we squeeze out the last smoker, who is next?
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wmsco
Reply #22 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:00 PM
Reply #22 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:00 PM
No Ozzy the way you feel is correct you were brought up in this country to make your own choices, sponsored and endorsed by this country. Now they are passing laws against you and others like you because they think there life style is better than yours or mine. The fact is they did not as a whole, as one voice band it from our country instead they started stomping on the people by passing laws that support there life style. you are far from being ignorant! 
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #23 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:11 PM
Reply #23 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:11 PM
Ok. Nobody is banned from any public place. You, as a smoker, are free to go to all of the places that we non smokers go. But you cannot do whatever the hell you want in a public place. Get a clue. I can't light a bonfire in a restaurant. I can't bring in a gun. I can't be drunk and disorderly to the point of affecting others. I can't pop someone in the skull for being ignorant. I can't display road rage. All of these actions affect those around me. So does smoking. Are you blind? Can't you see that the air around you is full of a poison that others may not want to breathe?
Nobody is banning you. Just an action that has negative consequence to any in the area. Forgive my rudeness. I'm a little touchy on the subject. Many of you know why. Read the latest smoking thread if you care to know.
WMSCO, OZZY, and any others. You have a right to do what you want. You have a right to go where you want. But you don't have a right to do what you want at every public place. I think you would say I had a screw loose if I went into an airport with a bomb. Do I have a right to carry a bomb? Constitution doesn't say "no".
Nobody is banning you. Just an action that has negative consequence to any in the area. Forgive my rudeness. I'm a little touchy on the subject. Many of you know why. Read the latest smoking thread if you care to know.
WMSCO, OZZY, and any others. You have a right to do what you want. You have a right to go where you want. But you don't have a right to do what you want at every public place. I think you would say I had a screw loose if I went into an airport with a bomb. Do I have a right to carry a bomb? Constitution doesn't say "no".
wmsco
Reply #24 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:13 PM
Reply #24 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:13 PM
hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmm let me see doesnt the consitution say we are all equal and one should not be put above another. Does it say I have a choice
Bebi Bulma
Reply #25 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:17 PM
Reply #25 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:17 PM
As Sleeping Dragon says, there is a line drawn when it comes to affecting and hurting others in a negative way. You can't go around murdering people or driving wrecklessly or hitting people upside the heads with shovels and get away with it...smoking is no different.
Does no one have a sense of common decency? If you want to smoke, fine, just don't infect me with it! I have a right to breathe fresh air free of toxic poisons, how do YOU have that right to take it away from ME?
Does no one have a sense of common decency? If you want to smoke, fine, just don't infect me with it! I have a right to breathe fresh air free of toxic poisons, how do YOU have that right to take it away from ME?
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #27 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:18 PM
Reply #27 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:18 PM
we are all equal. Dig a little common sense out of that thing between your shoulders. Equality doesn' give you the right to harm others. Tell me how your smoking in public is harmless to others and I'll show you someone who really doesn't think things through before they speak.
-OZZY-
Reply #28 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:20 PM
Reply #28 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:20 PM
you are already breathing toxic poison when you go outside, probably worse then somebody smoking near you !!!
-OZZY-
Reply #29 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:22 PM
Reply #29 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:22 PM
i'm no longer irritated, just enjoying a "healthy" discussion
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #30 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:24 PM
Reply #30 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:24 PM
sigh. IF INGESTING ARSENIC IS STUPID, DOES THAT MAKE IT OK TO DRINK BATTERY ACID? Two wrongs don't make a right. You're contributing to the toxins. If the world is already polluted, is it ok to litter? NNNOOooooo. Same as your smoking nonsense.
MorghainenCorae
Reply #31 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:25 PM
Reply #31 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:25 PM
My feeling is when you smoke in public you cause damage to ALL that is around you... ever seen an apartment after a few years of a smoker living there... or plants exposed to a heavy smoker? I used to be one... 10 yrs. quit New Years of '99... Damage to ourselves and our property is something every citizin should have the UNALIENABLE RIGHT to be protected from... period. Go smoke in your own home, if you happen to live in an apartment where you can't... tough it's not your property... it's not your call. Suck your butt away from those who care enough about themselves and thier things to not smoke, don't force your will to die on the rest of the populace... PLEASE! Good lord, the selfishness of humanity is boundless... Next people will be asking why they can't drink and drive... I mean our President has done it on more than one occasion....
-OZZY-
Reply #32 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:27 PM
Reply #32 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:27 PM
smokers cause air-polution ?? first time i heard that....
i'll try googling that, maybe i missed something
i'll try googling that, maybe i missed something
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #34 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:34 PM
my half of the equation
Reply #34 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:34 PM
| Tell me how your smoking in public is harmless to others and I'll show you someone who really doesn't think things through before they speak. |
my half of the equation
carolelee
Reply #35 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:40 PM
Reply #35 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:40 PM
OZZY..... second hand smoke is air pollution, no different that vehicle exhaust, factory smoke stacks, oil refineries, ect. Smoke where you like, just not in enclosed public places 
Essencay
Reply #36 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:46 PM
Reply #36 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:46 PM
Just to clear some confusion about attitudes about smoking....folks who are responding to this post are coming from different parts of the world and as such have different attitudes and laws about smoking. So I wouldn't necessarily knock everything that -OZZY- is saying about smoking in public because the acceptability of it is different in Holland than in the US. So you may want to preface your opinions with where you're from and what the rules are there like Butch did.
Smoking isn't a right in the US or anyplace else I would suspect. There are many other rules dictating what is or isn't acceptable in society. Banning smoking in public buildings is just one of them. Here's another example that folks have an issue with....
Riding a motorcycle without a helmet. Might sound stupid to some folks and to others it might sound like the government dictating what you can or can't do, but it's the law that you've got to wear one in every state except Maine and New Hampshire. Perhaps not for long in Maine, because I believe there's a bill up to make helmet use mandatory there as well.
Smoking isn't a right in the US or anyplace else I would suspect. There are many other rules dictating what is or isn't acceptable in society. Banning smoking in public buildings is just one of them. Here's another example that folks have an issue with....
Riding a motorcycle without a helmet. Might sound stupid to some folks and to others it might sound like the government dictating what you can or can't do, but it's the law that you've got to wear one in every state except Maine and New Hampshire. Perhaps not for long in Maine, because I believe there's a bill up to make helmet use mandatory there as well.
-OZZY-
Reply #37 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:48 PM
Reply #37 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:48 PM
well i tried googling it....smoking does not cause air polution, only in your own home.
SO SD.....you are saying i don't think things through.....**....look at all those stupid comparisons you made......drinking battery acid, going to an airport with a bomb
what *** does that have to do with smoking.......in this case your name is VERY appropiate....WAKE UP.........
btw, i'm not interested in pissing people off, just like discussions
so it's fighting now and friends after (i hope)
SO SD.....you are saying i don't think things through.....**....look at all those stupid comparisons you made......drinking battery acid, going to an airport with a bomb
what *** does that have to do with smoking.......in this case your name is VERY appropiate....WAKE UP.........
btw, i'm not interested in pissing people off, just like discussions
so it's fighting now and friends after (i hope)
wmsco
Reply #38 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:49 PM
Reply #38 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:49 PM
Has anyone denied the health risk no! What has been a issue here and you can use some common sense here is they passed laws governing life styles and yet the nation does not stand as a whole meaning we will have more laws made and more abundantly without regard or respect to other life styles this leaves the door open to legal predigest
As a nation we must not pass laws and endorse the opposite in our open market
As a nation we must not pass laws and endorse the opposite in our open market
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #39 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:50 PM
Reply #39 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:50 PM
Let me say it, for the record. I smoked. I loved smoking. Greatest bad habit in the world. It was the hardest thing I ever did when I quit. I'm not "un knowledgeable" about this subject. But I also know that addictions don't make logical sense. Because you know something is right, doesn't mean you'll do it. If someone would have tried to take my smokes from me, I would have made him cry like a baby.
I just don't understand someone that will impose their right to smoke, at the expense of other people's health.
I just don't understand someone that will impose their right to smoke, at the expense of other people's health.
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #40 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:53 PM
Damn straight. You just can't smoke in my truck when we go out.
Reply #40 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:53 PM
| it's fighting now and friends after (i hope) |
Damn straight. You just can't smoke in my truck when we go out.
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Reply #21 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:57 PM
A constitutional right to what? Smoke? LOL
I'd be surprised if your constitution didn't say somewhere that citizens must obey their laws also. LOL