Is the system set up to screw you up?
Well, is it?
Sunday, January 23, 2005 by joeKnowledge | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
H'uh?
Good guys finish first in a room full of bad guys?
When life gives you lemons, make lemonade... but you have no sugar or a pitcher to make it in?
When your employer is clearly corrupt in how they handle business and their own employees, do you stay and work, go with the 'flow'? Do you stand up for what is right?
Is the 'system' set up to mess you up? Get sued for something that you own and have the right to sell (like software)?
I don't really think the system is set up to screw you around but it not perfect either and can certainly make you pay when its not your fault (while others get away clear).
Well, what say ye messageboard?
Good guys finish first in a room full of bad guys?
When life gives you lemons, make lemonade... but you have no sugar or a pitcher to make it in?
When your employer is clearly corrupt in how they handle business and their own employees, do you stay and work, go with the 'flow'? Do you stand up for what is right?
Is the 'system' set up to mess you up? Get sued for something that you own and have the right to sell (like software)?
I don't really think the system is set up to screw you around but it not perfect either and can certainly make you pay when its not your fault (while others get away clear).
Well, what say ye messageboard?
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Sleeping Dragon
Reply #22 Monday, January 24, 2005 10:21 PM
Reply #22 Monday, January 24, 2005 10:21 PM
Integrity is what you are in the dark (or is that charachter?)
Corky_O
Reply #25 Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:55 AM
Reply #25 Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:55 AM
Is that similar to - "Discipline is what you do when no one else is around"? 
Old_Crab
Reply #26 Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:04 AM
Reply #26 Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:04 AM
O.K. Well now, whom shall the first person be to be shot when the revolution finally succeds !?! And now, whose revolution won !?! Whose moral constraints won !?! 
wmsco
Reply #27 Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:02 AM
Reply #27 Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:02 AM
Self discipline determines the quality of a man. That is his measure or another words strength.
old crab only the good die young 2.what is right 3.that is being play out now everyday till the end
oh Joey were are you.You started this oh Joey I hope this thread stays alive untill you come back Many good points have been made some straight to the point some more broke down. Your probaly be more confused then when you started this thread but in the end it is your choice you have to live with
goodnight
old crab only the good die young 2.what is right 3.that is being play out now everyday till the end
oh Joey were are you.You started this oh Joey I hope this thread stays alive untill you come back Many good points have been made some straight to the point some more broke down. Your probaly be more confused then when you started this thread but in the end it is your choice you have to live with
goodnight
Cyberworld
Reply #28 Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:58 AM
Reply #28 Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:58 AM
Ok man i understand that you probably are in a difficult possision despite the lack of certain elements and details.Promise not to tire you much cause i aint no preacher and i dont have much experience in life.Some simple questions:
a.Do you have family to support?
b.Can you get another job that equally ensures your and your family's survival?
If yes on both then just quit and make your stand,don't lie and live with your head up.
If not just protect you and your family.Survival is a much stronger instinct than any other.I value morality very much,but survival always comes first.About the regrets there shouldn't be any,if you truly can't make it without this job just lie.But don't confuse real need with false needs.This is a matter that you will resolve yourself.But if you can do make a point ot of it,do try to fight the system from the inside.It's the best way to be done,play with the system,go along and when you hold on to a strong position then you defy it and try to make the changes you wanted to.Remember a revolution:
a. Is never personal.
b. Is never unorganised.
c. Always has its casualties.
But i guess deep down its a matter of your own and we all guys:
a.Talk based upon our current experience,thus we don't provide 100% truths.
b.Don't face the exact same situation,thus we deal it from a safe position and none of the implications or consequences will ever affect us,nor will we be held responsible for your acts.Personally i'd be ashamed of myself if i ruined to the ground a human's life just because i wanted him to be something i aint or something i wanted him to be.I would be prood he made his stand,but ashamed for ruining his life.
We long to be heroes...yet we tend to be humans.
a.Do you have family to support?
b.Can you get another job that equally ensures your and your family's survival?
If yes on both then just quit and make your stand,don't lie and live with your head up.
If not just protect you and your family.Survival is a much stronger instinct than any other.I value morality very much,but survival always comes first.About the regrets there shouldn't be any,if you truly can't make it without this job just lie.But don't confuse real need with false needs.This is a matter that you will resolve yourself.But if you can do make a point ot of it,do try to fight the system from the inside.It's the best way to be done,play with the system,go along and when you hold on to a strong position then you defy it and try to make the changes you wanted to.Remember a revolution:
a. Is never personal.
b. Is never unorganised.
c. Always has its casualties.
But i guess deep down its a matter of your own and we all guys:
a.Talk based upon our current experience,thus we don't provide 100% truths.
b.Don't face the exact same situation,thus we deal it from a safe position and none of the implications or consequences will ever affect us,nor will we be held responsible for your acts.Personally i'd be ashamed of myself if i ruined to the ground a human's life just because i wanted him to be something i aint or something i wanted him to be.I would be prood he made his stand,but ashamed for ruining his life.
We long to be heroes...yet we tend to be humans.
Corky_O
Reply #29 Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:51 PM
Reply #29 Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:51 PM
joeKnowledge,
Just to clarify - I do "practice what I preach", and I have a bit of experience on both sides of this dilema.
If family is involved, then by all means weigh that responsibility into the equation, and of course get their input so you can feel good about your decision if this is indeed a personal situation versus a philisophical discussion.
Good luck to you.
Just to clarify - I do "practice what I preach", and I have a bit of experience on both sides of this dilema.
If family is involved, then by all means weigh that responsibility into the equation, and of course get their input so you can feel good about your decision if this is indeed a personal situation versus a philisophical discussion.
Good luck to you.
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #30 Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:57 PM
Well said
not well said. You're a philosopher so you know the lifeboat question. In that equation, I just died to save another. You think I'm all talk, you don't know me. This life is temporal at best.
Now put a loved one in the mix and I get messed up. I might do the dishonest thing to feed my child (if I had one). I definitely would. At that Point I am rationalizing the lesser of two evils.
Reply #30 Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:57 PM
| We long to be heroes...yet we tend to be humans |
Well said
| but survival always comes first. |
not well said. You're a philosopher so you know the lifeboat question. In that equation, I just died to save another. You think I'm all talk, you don't know me. This life is temporal at best.
Now put a loved one in the mix and I get messed up. I might do the dishonest thing to feed my child (if I had one). I definitely would. At that Point I am rationalizing the lesser of two evils.
joeKnowledge
Reply #31 Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:14 PM
Reply #31 Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:14 PM
yeah... I'm out here.
Interesting answers you guys and yeah I saw the guest book! thanks wmsco!
Interesting answers you guys and yeah I saw the guest book! thanks wmsco!
Cyberworld
Reply #32 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:34 AM
I am not a philosopher and i'm only 20 years old,i study at university History and Archaelogy,so i can't be so full of experience like all you guys.I do respect you and your opinion,if i said something that you find demising i apologize.About the part that i don't know you,you're right i don't and i don't know how anyone would confront/react in a situation like this,i just express what my common logic seems to consider as correct.I don't know if this can be seen as youth flame and imprudence,but on the other hand it's no use trying to make excusses.
Actually i don't know the lifeboat question,but i would be much interested to learn.Could you explain it to me?
Well said Cause life has this tendency to put as in situations like this.
Reply #32 Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:34 AM
| You're a philosopher |
I am not a philosopher and i'm only 20 years old,i study at university History and Archaelogy,so i can't be so full of experience like all you guys.I do respect you and your opinion,if i said something that you find demising i apologize.About the part that i don't know you,you're right i don't and i don't know how anyone would confront/react in a situation like this,i just express what my common logic seems to consider as correct.I don't know if this can be seen as youth flame and imprudence,but on the other hand it's no use trying to make excusses.
| lifeboat question |
Actually i don't know the lifeboat question,but i would be much interested to learn.Could you explain it to me?
| I am rationalizing the lesser of two evils. |
Well said
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Reply #21 Monday, January 24, 2005 10:14 PM