Political Poll
Friday, October 15, 2004 by harrison1701 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Bush or Kerry?
Where is the "None Of The Above" option? That's what I would choose.
Where is the "None Of The Above" option? That's what I would choose.
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tjesterb
Reply #43 Friday, October 15, 2004 6:40 PM
Reply #43 Friday, October 15, 2004 6:40 PM
Well, I will be voting for Bush. I am not exactly happy with the current state of the economy, or even with our situation in Iraq. I do however believe he is better qualified as a leader, and I find his lack of "polish" as a politician to be something in his favor.
While Mr Kerry is certainly intelligent, and makes some good arguments, he strikes me as too much af a self-serving opportunist to be trusted to lead our country. And if ever anyone was the definition of an opportunist it has to be John Edwards.
These are my opinions, and I know that other WCers will have their own, but that was the point of this thread, wasn't it?
BTW, Frogboy/Draginol/Brad has a good read on our choice of candidates: http://draginol.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=31247 if you haven't already read it.
While Mr Kerry is certainly intelligent, and makes some good arguments, he strikes me as too much af a self-serving opportunist to be trusted to lead our country. And if ever anyone was the definition of an opportunist it has to be John Edwards.
These are my opinions, and I know that other WCers will have their own, but that was the point of this thread, wasn't it?
BTW, Frogboy/Draginol/Brad has a good read on our choice of candidates: http://draginol.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=31247 if you haven't already read it.
WOM
Reply #44 Friday, October 15, 2004 6:52 PM
Reply #44 Friday, October 15, 2004 6:52 PM
WOM isn't to fond of Bush but he is a strong leader and thats why (IMHO) the world leaders don't want him reelected.
Bush is going to cut the Veterans benifits and I think medicare also. As a Vet., I don't like that. Send our troops out to police the world and then cut their benifits. HUM.
Kerry is so wishy washy he scares me. The world leaders love him because he wouldn't do anything.He bends so many ways, you don't know what he believes or is thinking.
I'am a republician as are most of the informed people in the service. Democrates trash the service and don't give any pay raises. Republicians have a strong military and give pay raises.
But I did vote for Gore.
On a side note, I don't know all the provinces in Canada. Don't need to know that. But.... we should have taken Canada back in the early days when it was still part of France/England. Oh well.
Bush is going to cut the Veterans benifits and I think medicare also. As a Vet., I don't like that. Send our troops out to police the world and then cut their benifits. HUM.
Kerry is so wishy washy he scares me. The world leaders love him because he wouldn't do anything.He bends so many ways, you don't know what he believes or is thinking.
I'am a republician as are most of the informed people in the service. Democrates trash the service and don't give any pay raises. Republicians have a strong military and give pay raises.
But I did vote for Gore.
On a side note, I don't know all the provinces in Canada. Don't need to know that. But.... we should have taken Canada back in the early days when it was still part of France/England. Oh well.
paxx
Reply #45 Friday, October 15, 2004 8:41 PM
Reply #45 Friday, October 15, 2004 8:41 PM
| WOM isn't to fond of Bush but he is a strong leader and thats why (IMHO) the world leaders don't want him reelected. |
As long as the US has a "us against the world" attitude, then you may be right, but sometimes it's nice to have friends. 
Sugaree
Reply #46 Friday, October 15, 2004 9:44 PM
Reply #46 Friday, October 15, 2004 9:44 PM
Maybe if Canada grew a backbone and stopped being So friendy... I might even buy a used car from you. 
hashonboat
Reply #47 Friday, October 15, 2004 9:57 PM
Reply #47 Friday, October 15, 2004 9:57 PM
I am a Republican & I'm voting for Bush..I also voted for Jimmy Carter and Ross Perot so I don't think I can be categorized as an Idealogue. I just believe Bush has more character, is more honest, more down to earth and is a leader as opposed to Kerry whom I view as a follower....His views IMO "follow" the polls & focus groups..I don't believe he has many core beliefs to guide him which is why he appears to be wishy-washy and simply a political opportunist.
paxx
Reply #48 Friday, October 15, 2004 10:07 PM
Reply #48 Friday, October 15, 2004 10:07 PM
I'm not gong to deny Kerry is an opportunist. All politicians are. 
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Hus
Reply #52 Friday, October 15, 2004 10:23 PM
Reply #52 Friday, October 15, 2004 10:23 PM
Here is a solely independent view from someone who doesn't know how electoral votes work:
Bush attacked a country that didn't need attacking...we can fight terrorism without invading a country. We could probably fight it more effectivly too, the US has so much James Bond gear it can't be too hard to find the bastards. Instead of spending $200 billion on war, spend it on spy planes, and then send in some elite forces to handle the business.
To me, it seams like we're the only one's fighting this war on terror. Terrorism is a GLOBAL problem, where is France, where is Russia? They had severe terrorist attacks...why don't they help us? Where is the rest of the free world helping to protect their future? Is it because of Bush? If so, he's not getting my vote, because that is not leading...
If anyone has answers to my questions, please tell me, purely because my knowledge of politics is so small, I really would like to know the answers.
Bush attacked a country that didn't need attacking...we can fight terrorism without invading a country. We could probably fight it more effectivly too, the US has so much James Bond gear it can't be too hard to find the bastards. Instead of spending $200 billion on war, spend it on spy planes, and then send in some elite forces to handle the business.
To me, it seams like we're the only one's fighting this war on terror. Terrorism is a GLOBAL problem, where is France, where is Russia? They had severe terrorist attacks...why don't they help us? Where is the rest of the free world helping to protect their future? Is it because of Bush? If so, he's not getting my vote, because that is not leading...
If anyone has answers to my questions, please tell me, purely because my knowledge of politics is so small, I really would like to know the answers.
eieio
Reply #53 Friday, October 15, 2004 10:56 PM
Reply #53 Friday, October 15, 2004 10:56 PM
Hus, there are 30 countries helping. It may seem like there are none because most of the media usually repeats Kerry saying we are doing it alone.
As for France and Russia, France is under investigation right now for possibly accepting bribes from Saddam to try to prevent him from being attacked. This is part of the investigation into the Oil for Food program and the backdoor payoffs involved. Apparently Russia is content to kill the terrorists within their own borders only.
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As for France and Russia, France is under investigation right now for possibly accepting bribes from Saddam to try to prevent him from being attacked. This is part of the investigation into the Oil for Food program and the backdoor payoffs involved. Apparently Russia is content to kill the terrorists within their own borders only.
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Hus
Reply #54 Friday, October 15, 2004 11:13 PM
Reply #54 Friday, October 15, 2004 11:13 PM
As little as I know, I know news stations generally don't report solely one side on such a subject. Bush clearly stated how many countries are "helping" us in the debates, I know the British are there, and Poland and Australia...but why is it that we are the only ones doing anything major? I know the answer to that one, it's because all the terrorist-countries would adamantly deny the 'grand coalition' access to their countries to catch the terrorists. So we are stuck in Iraq, which we now have control over...and what good does that do us? Are we going to invade Iran next? Then what? World War 3? It's just a matter of time before the next MAJOR terrorist attack, and with what I hear in the news about North Korea and Iran and nuclear programs...I fear the worst.
Sorry for the rant...
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Sorry for the rant...
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paxx
Reply #55 Friday, October 15, 2004 11:18 PM
Reply #55 Friday, October 15, 2004 11:18 PM
Just reading the details of the international survey I talked about earlier. Interesting to say the least.
Support Bush
Spain: 13%
France: 16%
Canada: 20%
G-B: 22%
Russia: 52%
Say that their opinion about the US has deteriorated in the past 2-3 years:
Strongest responses were:
Japan: 74%
France: 70%
South Korea: 67%
Nevertheless, while they are strongly against Bush, people around the world don't let that influence their opinion about the American people themselves. As an average, among the 10 countries surveyed 68% of the people said that they had a positive opinion about the American people. And hold on to your hat, one of the highest supporters of the American people are... the French, with 72% having a positive opinion of about the Americans people.
Newspapers involved in the survey:
La Presse (Canada), Le Monde (France), The Guardian (Great Britain), El Pais (Spain), Asahi Shimbun (Japan), JoongAng Ilbo (South Korea), The Sydney Morning Herald et The Melbourne Age (Australia), Reforma (Mexico), Haaretz (Israel) et Moscow News (Russia).
CerebroJD
Reply #56 Saturday, October 16, 2004 12:45 AM
Reply #56 Saturday, October 16, 2004 12:45 AM
I'm glad I'm Canadian.
I'm also glad that not many people outside of Canada actually give a damn about us. Keeps people from bugging us.
I'm also glad that not many people outside of Canada actually give a damn about us. Keeps people from bugging us.
Island Dog
Reply #57 Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:30 AM
Bush has not cut benefits. He has raised funding over 25%.
I'm not voting based on what other countries think. Kerry wants to be the "popular" President, that's the wrong reason.
Reply #57 Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:30 AM
| Bush is going to cut the Veterans benifits and I think medicare also. As a Vet., I don't like that. Send our troops out to police the world and then cut their benifits. HUM. |
Bush has not cut benefits. He has raised funding over 25%.
| Nevertheless, while they are strongly against Bush, people around the world don't let that influence their opinion about the American people themselves. As an average, among the 10 countries surveyed 68% of the people said that they had a positive opinion about the American people. And hold on to your hat, one of the highest supporters of the American people are... the French, with 72% having a positive opinion of about the Americans people. |
I'm not voting based on what other countries think. Kerry wants to be the "popular" President, that's the wrong reason.
Island Dog
Reply #58 Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:32 AM
Reply #58 Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:32 AM
Kerry still trying to scare people with a draft. Pathetic.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041016/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp&cid=694&ncid=716
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041016/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp&cid=694&ncid=716
macrobaye
Reply #59 Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:05 AM
Reply #59 Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:05 AM
While I don't think arguing this is in anyone's interest (no one is gonna change their views here AT ALL), but I will say this:
George Bush is not a bad guy, we'll leave all the evil and treachery to Cheney and Rumsfeld. Bush is just not a good president by any means. You say you like him because he means what he says and he says what he means, but so do 250million other Americans, most of whom are better suited to lead this nation. So what makes him more qualified? His money? His "personability"? His accent? His overly simplistic speech? Honesty.
Bush has been given 4 years. He was given a 2 trillion dollar surplus. He was given an established American "respect record" with other countries. And what has he done? He's DEVESTATED the treasury and economy, causing a 421 billion dollar RECORD defecit for this YEAR. The majority of the world HATES him and has lost respect for the USA. He's sent over one thousand men and women to their deaths, at first because America was at "risk", but when we found out he was "misinformed" he said it was to free the Iraqi people...TALK ABOUT FLIP FLOPPING.
And another thing: You think Kerry's a flip-flopper? It is true that he voted "for the war" but his vote was firstly based off of false inteligence, and secondly was to give the president the AUTHORITY to go to war. He voted to let the president decide...but it was still BUSH who sent those men and women to DIE. So now Kerry's against our reasons...wanna know why? Because Bush LIED. Kerry found out the TRUTH and changed his stance.
Another thing about flip-flopping... Bush promised billions of dollars in education, then poured it into the war (even cutting benefits for college students!). He LIED. Promising one thing to get votes, then doing the COMPLETE OPPOSITE. BUSH is the flip-flopper.
He thinks that war and abortion are as easy as YES or NO. If he knew how to back up a stance, he would get into more detail, but since he's about at intuitive and intelligent as a lamp post, we can't expect much.
SORRY FOR THE RANT, but for conclusion:
Bush has had 4 long years. And he's ruined America. Let's let Kerry clean up Bush's mess. The last four years have proven one thing: Bush is a terrible leader. Period.
THAT BEING SAID: Please don't flame me or attack me, I tried to be civilized while remaining strong in my arguments, I mean to offend no one...ok maybe Bush and his Administration.
George Bush is not a bad guy, we'll leave all the evil and treachery to Cheney and Rumsfeld. Bush is just not a good president by any means. You say you like him because he means what he says and he says what he means, but so do 250million other Americans, most of whom are better suited to lead this nation. So what makes him more qualified? His money? His "personability"? His accent? His overly simplistic speech? Honesty.
Bush has been given 4 years. He was given a 2 trillion dollar surplus. He was given an established American "respect record" with other countries. And what has he done? He's DEVESTATED the treasury and economy, causing a 421 billion dollar RECORD defecit for this YEAR. The majority of the world HATES him and has lost respect for the USA. He's sent over one thousand men and women to their deaths, at first because America was at "risk", but when we found out he was "misinformed" he said it was to free the Iraqi people...TALK ABOUT FLIP FLOPPING.
And another thing: You think Kerry's a flip-flopper? It is true that he voted "for the war" but his vote was firstly based off of false inteligence, and secondly was to give the president the AUTHORITY to go to war. He voted to let the president decide...but it was still BUSH who sent those men and women to DIE. So now Kerry's against our reasons...wanna know why? Because Bush LIED. Kerry found out the TRUTH and changed his stance.
Another thing about flip-flopping... Bush promised billions of dollars in education, then poured it into the war (even cutting benefits for college students!). He LIED. Promising one thing to get votes, then doing the COMPLETE OPPOSITE. BUSH is the flip-flopper.
He thinks that war and abortion are as easy as YES or NO. If he knew how to back up a stance, he would get into more detail, but since he's about at intuitive and intelligent as a lamp post, we can't expect much.
SORRY FOR THE RANT, but for conclusion:
Bush has had 4 long years. And he's ruined America. Let's let Kerry clean up Bush's mess. The last four years have proven one thing: Bush is a terrible leader. Period.
THAT BEING SAID: Please don't flame me or attack me, I tried to be civilized while remaining strong in my arguments, I mean to offend no one...ok maybe Bush and his Administration.
Old_Crab
Reply #60 Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:09 AM
Reply #60 Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:09 AM
I strongly agree with paxx arguments about Bush. I've always been more right of center by most accounts and have consistently voted as a Conservative but knowing Bush records as the Gov. of Texas and his abysmal record here and the tragedy his type of politics has done to the USA I'm disappointed. Kerry I believe will at least restore some type of honest dignity to the United States. My 3 cents worth. >
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Reply #41 Friday, October 15, 2004 5:44 PM