What's the point? Why have the site at all?

Sunday, July 25, 2004 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

I don't often bring this up but I sometimes wonder why we even have this site. I get considerable hate mail every single day because of this site.

Someone didn't get a wallpaper accepted. No idea what the wallpaper was since I didn't moderate it but I get called a Nazi or worse.

Some other guy's network connection isn't working and can't access their skin for some reason so naturally we deleted it because we're "assholes".

And don't even get me started about the people who run into the 50 megabyte limits. You can be assured that for every guy who posts something here, I get 2 emails about it explaining why I am personally a putrid human being.

And I've had days where I get called a "fucking Nazi" and a "blood sucking Jew" (I'm not even Jewish) for things ranging from not "doing something" about the ratings on the site or some comment on some skin that I didn't remove.

And on top of that, this site costs a fortune to run.  The ONLY reason this site is remotely possible to keep up at this point is because of the generous volunteers who run this site day to day.  The admins and moderators who, I might add, often get treated poorly and without any kind of gratitude.  The other variable are the people who SUBSCRIBE to the site.  I.e. pay the $20 for 2 years.

One of the few pleasures I get out of the site lately has been to write about things that interest me.  I realize that some people don't like "blogs".  Or me ranting about niche developer stuff.  What does a PC user care if some obscure Mac developer is getting screwed over by Apple? Why should I keep "whining" about it? It doesn't affect Stardock one iota. If anything, it helps Stardock by taking out a potential competitor.

But I can't even do that without people bitching about THAT. Sure, those people don't know about all the crap that I and others have to put up with on a daily basis because of the site.

But then again, neither does the egomaniac skinner who sends me the nastygram telling me how I'm a parasite on the backs of skinners for working to make customization software.  And the "artist" who sends me a 10 page email insisting that other artists like him should be getting a "royalty" off of every WinCustomize subscription because it is really THEY who matter.  THEY, their ART is what makes this site run and for me to even suggest that developers, moderators, or even users fit in is a demonstration of my "arrogance" and "ignorance" of the circle of life that is the skinning community. That guy doesn't know about the crap we go through either.  Not that he'd be interested.

Right now, what's really helping keep thigns going besides the wonderful people who moderate this site and the users gracious enough to purchase WC subscriptions is the IT team working full time to create the next generation WinCustomize.  Their hard work and tireless devotion to trying to make something really special helps keep the excitement going.

But to those who feel the need to email me telling me that writing non-news items is a "waste of their time" or "yet another example of your petty egoism" or are just "lame rantings", I say to you: Fuck you. Of those who have emailed me, who have accounts, NOT ONE of them has a WC subscription.

Most people dont' seem to have a problem with editorials. And those who don't like them who have posted on the message boards have been at least constructive about it. I have a LOT more respect for the guy who publicly writes their views than the coward who just sends hate mail from their anonymous Hotmail or Yahoo or whatever email account spewing venom at me.

But I'm not having fun right now with this site.  I look at the bills (hundreds of thousands of dollars a year).  I look at my inbox.  And I ask "Why? What's the point?" 

Sorry if I sound a little depressed. I think everyone has those days once in awhile.  And I'm having one today.

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WOM
Reply #141 Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:22 PM
Actually, this is a private site with its own rules. Can't sue.



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CerebroJD
Reply #142 Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:22 PM
Well, then in that case, Stardock would crush him/her. There is NO WAY that lawsuit could come even close to being in favor of the offender.
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #143 Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:23 PM
Ok.
chasindreams
Reply #144 Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:01 AM
Brad, I understand your need to vent. I can't even begin to imagine the crap you have to put up with. For your own sake, I think you may want to reconsider such posts in the future though. All you've accomplished is to show the very losers you are writing about that they've succeeded.
Nobody likes getting called names, but when it happens, think about what you have accomplished with this site. I truly believe that this site is reserved for the best of the best. I've had hundreds of works approved on other sites (both moderated and not). Conversely, I've had well over a hundred rejections here. My point? Even though I currently only have 7 works in the library here, I am damn proud of them. I'm damn proud of being represented among the best. I'm damn proud to be a member of the Wincustomize family. It's all about respect, Brad. The word defines you and this site. The low-lifes who you describe don't know the meaning of respect. They don't respect others and they don't respect themselves. If they did, they would not take the rejections personally, rather they would see it as a challenge to strive and do better. So, chin up Brad! I know it's tough, but what you've done here is awesome and you've surrounded yourself by an awesome group of staff and have developed an awesome community here.
chasindreams
Reply #145 Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:09 AM
nevermind the last post, I see that's what I get for not reading through the thread completely. (I did mean all I said though)
WebGizmos
Reply #146 Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:23 AM
#144 by chasindreams - 7/29/2004 12:01:06 AM Brad, I think you may want to reconsider such posts in the future though. All you've accomplished is to show the very losers you are writing about that they've succeeded.


Blanket statements like that are never good.

Never mind the last post because you meant what you said?

A suggestion for those wishing to post (vent)before they think. Go write yourself an email and read it over a few times if needed, and if after reading it you still agree with what you wrote, then copy and paste it here. Saves face that way.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #147 Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:03 AM
There is NO WAY that lawsuit could come even close to being in favor of the offender.


When lawyers are involved, it costs money. No matter how rediculous the suit is.

Exiling will do nothing for stopping hate mail. Someone that has been booted and has no means to spread their crap on the site will only resort to bombarding you with email. After you put them on a blocker they will just come at you with another email address. Sometimes even your own addy.
juni
Reply #148 Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:25 AM
Well, I've enjoyed this site ever since skinz.org became an empty shell and I think the people who run this site is doing a great job. I have a tiny, tiny site compared to this and even that generates a bit of work. So, keep up the good work.

Luckily I don't get hatemail, but rather the opposite.

I can't even imagine what it is like to run a site with a million users.
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PixelCargo
Reply #149 Thursday, July 29, 2004 7:14 AM
just write down all the swear words you know, then have any email containing those words automaticaly deleted or have them sent to the WCsobz folder.
CerebroJD
Reply #150 Thursday, July 29, 2004 8:18 AM
WCsobz folder


wulfn1
Reply #151 Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:12 PM
wulfn1 puts her hand up to volunteer hatemail screening too.
it's one of the few things I can actually do to contribute to the site. let me know if there's anything else I can do.(still the world's most deplorable skinner so that's out )
PixelCargo
Reply #152 Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:17 PM
The WCsobZ project 2k5.
wulfn1
Reply #153 Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:28 PM
A suggestion for those wishing to post (vent)before they think. Go write yourself an email and read it over a few times if needed, and if after reading it you still agree with what you wrote, then copy and paste it here. Saves face that way.


webgizmos,
I've done exactly that so many times I can't possibly count them. It's one of the best practices a person can have when posting to a website or even when writing an email.
you'd("you'd" meaning anyone who utilized this practice) be surprised how many times you can "edit" a post prior to hitting the send button. end result,you've managed to condense your response, you've couched your words in such a way as to best get your point across, and you are 100% sure the words you've typed are the words you want people to hear.

There've been times when a post or email I viewed has made me so angry I tremble as I type. Once I finish typing, I read what I've written, first for spelling(which I'm deplorable at ), second for run ons(I do love to "talk" and I'm not the best in grammatical structure so I do apologise in advance!)and most importantly, for anything too inflamatory or anything that might come back to haunt me in the future. sometimes I end up scrapping the whole post, sometimes I need change only a few minor things, but all the time, it saves me from sitting there with egg on my face, reading the comments my post has generated.
I wish everyone practiced this prior to hitting the send button.
but I'm not nearly that idealistic to believe everyone ever would.
so, when I read something that is upsetting, I re-read it just in case I might have missed some slight bit of wording that would change the tone of the words I have read and THEN I type.

ok sorry for dragging this off topic, but it actually has an indirect connection with the topic at hand. soooo...I'm keepin it.
WebGizmos
Reply #154 Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:55 PM
I've done the same thing many times over myself Wulfn1
HG_Eliminator
Reply #155 Thursday, July 29, 2004 8:28 PM
i send hate mail senders, 1 standard reply -> ..l..
WebGizmos
Reply #156 Thursday, July 29, 2004 8:46 PM
Basically what Brad needs to do is make it very clear that hate mail/verbal abuse will go directly to the trash bin where it belongs. Period. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that anyone should have to reply to it.

Even if its a subscriber or someone that purchased software. Sooner or later people have got to understand that no matter who made the software, problems and bugs are to be expected. They must also understand that it is not always the software itself that is the problem, it is often the user that is the problem.
CerebroJD
Reply #157 Thursday, July 29, 2004 8:48 PM
Yep, that works quite well.
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PixelCargo
Reply #158 Friday, July 30, 2004 8:15 AM
What I said.
wulfn1
Reply #159 Friday, July 30, 2004 10:27 AM
hate mail should definitely go unresponded to.
I was volunteering to deal with the whiners.

Iben
Reply #160 Friday, July 30, 2004 8:38 PM
Here is the point.
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Sometimes you might let the little things get you down.
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But if you can get up and look forward to work everyday you have the world beat.



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