So...gonna go see Farenheit 9/11?

Thursday, June 24, 2004 by Hus | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

I'm not big on politics, but this is one movie you should spend $9.50 on. It opens in theaters tomorrow, so clear up your schedules and go buy the tickets!

For those who haven't heard the buzz/controversy about this movie, here's the trailer. http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/
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Essencay
Reply #141 Friday, July 2, 2004 12:32 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3861197.stm Polish troops obtain a quantity of warheads containing cyclosarin in Iraq, to keep them out of the hands of terrorists
Essencay
Reply #142 Friday, July 2, 2004 12:37 PM
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5341654/ I got the Hippy Hippy Shakes....apparently there really are happy people and happy children and god forbid....toy stores in Iraq
EventHorizon
Reply #143 Friday, July 2, 2004 12:39 PM
EventHorizon
Reply #144 Friday, July 2, 2004 12:58 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&u=/ap/20040701/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_saddam_99&printer=1


Saddam in Court: "This is all a theater by Bush, the criminal."

Looks like Kerry has one more vote...

Essencay
Reply #145 Friday, July 2, 2004 1:18 PM
Gee I think I'll vote for Kerry, but only if he can ever find a running mate. Maybe Jesse Ventura isn't too busy. You know Michael Moore really doesn't speak too highly of Bush and when Mikie wasn't sure about getting theaters to run his little home movie, the terrorist group Hezbalah offered to help and good ole Saddam Hussein says Bush is a criminal and I'm sure if I could get Osama baby on the line, he'd have some well informed advice as well.
Castle
Reply #146 Friday, July 2, 2004 3:11 PM
We can debate the morality of the actions and/or inaction of the USA over the last 30 years until we're blue in the face. We might get better results though by putting our political party affiliations aside for a moment and just looking at what we're dealing with.
"to know thy enemy is to defeat thy enemy"
For years islamic extremists have infiltrated American society, received college educations, procured very good jobs and started organizations that funneled extremely large sums of money back to terrorist groups who's sole purpose is our complete destruction. What was all that money spent on? Food, medicine, clothing?.....no. That money went to weapons, explosives and supplies to construct more terrorist training camps and draft more suicide bombers. Why do you think Saddam was handing out $25,000 to each of the families of suicide murderers?
Today, Wahhabism is the dominant Islamic tradition on the Arabian penninsula. As Osama bin Laden comes from Saudi Arabia and is Wahhabi himself, Wahhabi extremism and radical ideas of purity have obviously influenced him considerably. Followers of Wahhabi Islam do not regard it as simply one school of thought out of many rather it is the only path of true Islam - nothing else really counts. Simply put, you and I - and everyone else that does not submit to them are considered infidels. Only our complete annihilation can bring about the kind of peace and harmony that this form of Islam seeks. They are not a small, isolated fringe group but a series of interconnected organizations that are getting a foot-hold in many areas of the globe spreading fear and death on any that would attempt to oppose them. Wahhabi children are taught in their schools to hate westerners from day one and nothing we've said or done , from a diplomatic standpoint, would make them change those teachings. Do you think a diplomatic solution can be reached with Osama and his ilk? I used to think so many years ago. I used to believe we could negotiate at least some kind of resentful coexistence if only to stop the attacks and counter-attacks. Then one day I realized that while we've been sitting around for decades enjoying our lives of complacency, they have been planning, plotting and breeding a new generation of suicide killers that will soon have the capability to take out entire cities, not just the occasional building or two.

I, for one, do not want to see my country sit and wait for a 9/11 x10 regardless which party wins the next election.
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Essencay
Reply #147 Friday, July 2, 2004 3:42 PM
Followers of Wahhabi Islam do not regard it as simply one school of thought out of many rather it is the only path of true Islam - nothing else really counts. Simply put, you and I - and everyone else that does not submit to them are considered infidels. Only our complete annihilation can bring about the kind of peace and harmony that this form of Islam seeks.


Gee, sounds like....Hitler, Nazi ideology....glad we didn't wait around for that little production to play out in Europe. He never attacked the US, but we sure did do the right thing didn't we

Here's a little tidbit on popularity of US wars, very relevant this weekend here in the USA. Only 37% of American Colonists supported the American War of Indepence. In hindsight, do you think we made a mistake? Let's see, instead of the United States of America, we would be the Commonwealth of America, or something like that. The western extent of our country would've been the Mississippi River, 'cause I don't think the French would've sold the Louisiana Purchase to the British back then. The rest of the west coast would've belonged to the Russians or Mexicans, depending on the outcome of the Spanish-Russian war. Two things would've still happened though, we would've still been involved in WWI and WWII and in the Gulf wars as part of the British Empire, because it is the right thing to do.
Essencay
Reply #148 Friday, July 2, 2004 7:37 PM
A little levity

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/07/02/ap/headlines/d83irs603.txt The UN passed a resolution authorizing the multi-national force (that would include the USA, I'm guessing) to remain in Iraq, back on June 8th. Yemen and Jordan want to help with the security of Iraq. Will the madness of Bush's criminal regime, that allows small happy children all over Iraq to buy Hippy-Hippy-Shake Saddam dolls ever end?

Mikie, Mikie, where are you now? How can you let this happen? Surely you can grab your handy-cam and whip up Farenheit 9/11 part-II with this kind of madness going on. You already got the theme music...."I got the Hippy-Hippy Shakes"....and you could get Mr.T to reprise the re-enactment of Saddam's trial, since good ole Saddam will probably be taking a dirtnap by then. I can just see Mr.T up there now...."Mr. Bush, I pity the fool" Maybe you can even do a series of movies like Rocky and you could have Bush vs. Apollo Creed. "ADRIAN, ADRIAN" er.... that would be "LAURA, LAURA"
EventHorizon
Reply #149 Friday, July 2, 2004 8:37 PM
I can just see Mr.T up there now...."Mr. Bush, I pity the fool"


Fuzzy Logic
Reply #150 Friday, July 2, 2004 8:51 PM
Maybe it's something to do with not being American, but I have no idea who Moore is. I decided to do a Google on 'Moore' to find out more. The first entry of any interest to me was Julianne Moore. I like her so I kinda got distracted for a while...
Sugaree
Reply #151 Friday, July 2, 2004 8:52 PM
IPlural
Reply #152 Friday, July 2, 2004 10:52 PM
oh wait, seems I entered the wrong door...

This is the Political Party Pissing Contest, my mistake..

I knew there was a reason I had given up on the thought that a serious discussion could take place without the "My Dog's better than Your's creeping into it"...

won't happen again...
EventHorizon
Reply #153 Saturday, July 3, 2004 1:12 AM
Welcome to the real world, IPlural... Politics is not a pretty business to be in/be associated with/argue about. Always has been, always will be.
DavidK
Reply #154 Saturday, July 3, 2004 1:42 AM
I feel like a serious mental disease has overcome most of the people I see today. I don't know how to describe it other than the polarization, the hatred and the lack of insight in everyone is astounding.  It makes me really sad to see so many good people supporting such bad actions. I don't know if it's just fear or if there really is some mental disorder, perhaps a contagious one, raging through the population in America.
IPlural
Reply #155 Saturday, July 3, 2004 2:32 AM
Event, rather funny reading you sending me a welcome to the real world considering I was in and out of the service before you where a glimmer in your parents eyes.

You want real world?

Don't hold your breath, remember they are speaking of Years to come for War. You will get your chance to visit that part of the real world in time. Do you honestly think kids are going to grow up and be busting down the doors to join up and go kill and die out of a desire to, well, go kill and possibly die?

You had best hope that people put the crap mentality away and get down to working through all sides of the issue before your turn comes around.

5000 Veterans are being called away from their established civilian lives because there is not enough reserves and active military for just Iraq. 1000's will spend an unknown time there over the next months? 2 years? 10 year?

Afghanistan is not a finished deal, the Taliban still form up and attack as they will. That will take years also, unless we make another mistake and cut and run again...

They pretty much let it be known that we will go anywhere we like to take out terrorists with or without the help of the local government where they might hold up. Iran and Syria have been classified as being Terrorist states, North Korea, well hell, who knows what is going to come from that.

Radical Islamic peoples are around the globe and it only takes one person to blow up a truck full of diesel fuel and fertilizer. They are ready to die and actually seem to look forward to do it with self pride in dying for their cause and their warped vision of their religion. How long until any number of them inject them self with Ebola or any other number of Virus and take a long flight to a distant land while not showing signs of infection. Only to become a breeding vessel while on the flight spreading it to any number of people on the jet, then those people take it home and to work. Their kids take it to school and other kids take it home while the co-workers do the same.

Short of genocide how are we going to Kill Terrorism into extinction? As many as we kill we create more who in turn will have a number of which do succeed in an attack, end up dead making more and so on...

You've a lot to look forward to Tom, I honestly wish you didn't, and I really hope in the end it turns out differently. But we've made some serious mistakes up to this point and people playing at the "Dirty Game of Politics" < that is one of the worst things we've allowed to happen, making it a damn POLITICAL GAME. It isn't a game, far from it...

But, sorry to say it isn't the real world of serious interaction seeking solutions, at least not productive interaction. Hell anyone can jump into things and start letting emotion control the thought process. There are prisons, divorce courts, hospitals and grave yards full of proof to that.

Though you've pretty much proven your perspective, first you play with Clinton as if Monica and he makes a damn difference? Then want to throw out Kerry as if that means anything more? Why not Gore or Hillary?

Spin and twist it as you like, I'm done with it. but please do not poke at me again I've two boys in the service today of which both are almost twice your age. I think I have a grasp about what life is about.


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Essencay
Reply #156 Saturday, July 3, 2004 2:42 AM
I have to agree with DavidK on this one. Here's my reasoning....this site http://www.moveon.org/front/ MoveOn.org, which I am gagging to even think I went to it, is very anti-Bush, Republican, Rush Limbaugh, etc., which is fine. I support their right to present their case as to why Bush's administration should not be re-elected, as much as any liberal would support Rush Limbaugh's preaching of why John Kerry shouldn't be elected. Free speech and exchange is something a good chunk of the world doesn't have. It's something worth fighting for and it's something that tends to make us Americans come across as arrogant

But anyways, back to the MoveOn.org site.....front page.....where's Kerry? where's the rah-rah for the next leader of the Democratic Party that's going to oust Bush? Where are all the democratic leaders shouting praises and huzzas? 50% of Americans, according to polls, are either supportive of Kerry or done with Bush. Do these people have a mental disease? I think so. Kerry's standing over in the corner going "Hey Fellows, Yoohoo, over here, I'm trying to run a campaign and put the democrats back in power, right now would be a good time to focus on me, Yoohoo" and they're not. It's like deep down inside the Dems kinda know that they got a lame horse running this year, another Dukakis and nobody really wants to says so, but nobody really wants to be associated with Kerry either.

The MoveOn family of organizations consists of three entities. MoveOn.org, a 501(c)(4) organization, primarily focuses on education and advocacy on important national issues. MoveOn PAC, a federal PAC, primarily helps members elect candidates who reflect our values. And MoveOn.org Voter Fund, a 527 organization, primarily educates voters on the positions, records, views, and qualifications of candidates for public office.


That's the line at the bottom of the site....go to the MoveOn.org Voter Fund site....front page....where's Kerry, I see Bush, Gore and Clinton. Why can't the Dems come out and say it...."Look America, we made a mistake, Kerry isn't who we think should be representing us....it should be John Edwards." Problem is they were betting on Howard Dean, but he kinda blew a gasket, or forgot to take his prosac or something. John Edwards, who fits the down-to-earth southern gentleman role didn't have the money or support from the Dems in the beginning to run a decent campaign, Edwards would've been the next Bill Clinton, back before he became the figure head of immorality in the whitehouse. Edwards would've secured the whitehouse for the Dems for the next eight years. So why are 50% of Americans blindly supporting John Kerry other than a serious mental disease?
IPlural
Reply #157 Saturday, July 3, 2004 2:55 AM
be funny if everyone freaks them out and votes ( other ) or ( Mickey Mouse )
Essencay
Reply #158 Saturday, July 3, 2004 3:26 AM
I'll probably watch the Democratic National Convention this year. Some grassroots organization is trying to get enough delegates together to force Kerry to take Howard Dean on as his running mate.....Last one I watched was when Bob "viagra" Dole accepted the Republican nomination and at the time I thought, well we're looking at another four years of Clinton and Gore.

You know what, Steamboat Willie might not be a bad choice
IPlural
Reply #159 Saturday, July 3, 2004 4:51 AM
I am betting Iran is next...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ISRAEL?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Jul 2, 4:02 PM EDT

Israel Minister Raises Concerns Over Iran

By BARRY SCHWEID
AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom told the White House on Friday that Iran was trying to develop longer-range missiles that could pose a threat to European nations.

Shalom took his concerns to Condoleezza Rice, the president's national security adviser, and then told reporters: "We cannot allow the Iranians to move forward in their efforts to develop nuclear weapons."

Israel's long-held concern that it could be targeted was registered again by Shalom. "The Iranians still continue to do everything they can in order to develop nuclear weapons that might, of course, be used against Israel," he said.

In fact, the foreign minister said, Iranians have warned on several occasions that one missile fired toward Israel would destroy the country.


IPlural
Reply #160 Saturday, July 3, 2004 5:07 AM
Oops...


Iraq
Nations get a warning from NATO
By wire services
Published July 3, 2004



BRUSSELS - NATO's top civilian official warned Friday that Afghanistan and Iraq were doomed to be failed states if the United States and the international community did not find a way to work together to save them.

Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, NATO's secretary-general, also sharply criticized the Bush administration for abandoning NATO as an alliance and using it when it suits Washington's interests.

"Can we afford two failed states in pivotal regions?" de Hoop Scheffer said in an interview. "It's both undesirable and unacceptable if either Afghanistan or Iraq were to be lost. The international community can't afford to see those countries going up in flames. There would be enormous repercussions for stability, and not only in those regions."

De Hoop Scheffer's bleak analysis of the situation in Afghanistan and Iraq contrasts with the rosier view of the Bush administration, which has portrayed the countries as well on the road to becoming stable democracies that will serve as models for the region.


oopsy

Also . . .
NO SARIN FOUND: Sixteen rocket warheads found last week in south-central Iraq by Polish troops did not contain deadly chemicals, a coalition spokesman said Friday, but U.S. and Polish officials agreed that insurgents loyal to former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and foreign terrorist fighters are trying to buy such old weapons or the services of Iraqi scientists who know how to make them.

A SLOW START: Only $366-million has been spent of the $18.4-billion President Bush and Congress provided last fall for rebuilding Iraq, a White House report showed Friday. Despite the administration's initial emphasis on speedy reconstruction in Iraq, the amount is less than 2 percent of the rebuilding money lawmakers provided. The figure, in the latest quarterly report by the budget office, marks the first time the administration has said how much of the money has been spent.

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oopsy dasiy

Jul 2, 8:18 PM EDT

Report: Felon voting list includes thousands of eligible voters

MIAMI (AP) More than 2,100 Floridians who had their voting rights restored were included on a list of felons potentially ineligible to vote, a newspaper reported Friday.

The names were on a Florida Division of Elections list of more than 47,000 people who may be felons that appear to match the names of registered voters. The list was sent to county elections supervisors, who are expected to determine who should be removed from the rolls.

The Miami Herald, in a computer analysis, found at least 2,119 on that list had received clemency and were eligible to vote.

State elections officials disputed the Herald's report, calling the newspaper's report incomplete and misleading.

Spokeswoman Nicole de Lara said the newspaper did not check the list with Florida Department of Law Enforcement records, so some of the people who received clemency could have committed another felony and lost their voting rights again.

The state checks the clemency list against records from the FDLE and the Corrections Department. The Herald used only correction records.

The newspaper stood by its story and said the FDLE records covered a smaller number of felons compared with the more comprehensive corrections department data.

"I can understand it's embarrassing to them, but it's an accurate, important and solid news story for the people of Florida," said Manny Garcia, the Herald's metro editor. "We scrubbed (the list) down, we analyzed it and came up with the results."


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