The new Iraqi government just re-instated the death penalty that the US had banned during it's occupational government.....not much chance that Saddam is going to get back in power

I don't find your brand of humor funny Satans Child

Do you?........really?.....think it would be FUNNY???? >

I wonder if the people he murdered and the ones that were tortured and had their limbs violently would find it funny......?????

Do you ever stop to think or do you just find wanton random chaos riotously amusing???? > >

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Hussein was just the CIA's puppet, and they were tired of him so they decided to remove him. Now they placed a new regime there in place. Wonder how long it will take before they get tired of that one... Probably until it bites the hand that feeds it, the way the Hussein regime did.

You don't have to find it funny. I'm not here to amuse you. It was just a thought and if you have a problem with that then thats YOUR problem. GrUmP!

IPlural: Sometimes the people actually doing the murdering are at fault.

I am not that thick to think otherwise...

Blaming the US or the CIA or any other organization for the murderous behavior of the terrorists is akin to blaming society for the actions of a serial killer.

I do not see it as blame, but acceptance of the responsibility for being a part of the cause...

This is one of the key issues we are all going to face in the future when the understanding that you can not just go out and kill all terrorists and expect it to ever end finally sinks in.

1. look at the past and present and see what part each plays in the existence of terrorism at it's core.

2. find what part our nation has played in the birth of it and plays in it's continued existence.

3. openly accept this responsibility.
3a. See that we make the changes needed over a period of time which will work in taking us down the path we seek, sometime we will have to decide exactly what that path is ( I hope it is figured out before mucking up the trail to much so we can find the damn thing in time )

3b. figure out where we can make some kind of adjustments with actions that prove we mean what we say and do, that it is not only a temporary thing we will toss aside the first time we see something we want and can not figure out how to trade for.

Quit saying this is not a religious war only to turn around and blast the Cable News and Papers with how nasty the Muslim religion is. I am not saying everyone does this, but when you have people calling into talk radio shouting about how the only way to end terrorism is for all Muslims to convert or die, it pretty much paints a pretty picture of a desire of equitable co-existence don't you think?

Have the government quit trying to push the UN and NATO to exclude the US Government and Military from being brought up on charges of War Crimes and such. The prison in Iraq is a blatant advertisement that even the USA is not above such a thing.
There is not any means with which the government or the people of the USA can honestly say there is any reason we should not be under the same laws and restrictions as every other member nation. What do we have to fear if we do not fear that we would do something that would allow someone to bring charges?

As far as Iraq and Afghanistan, Sudan, Haiti and various other hot spots go. I hold all member nations in contempt for their lack of action and their innate ability to stand up with some kind of self righteous wrapper while explaining the moral stance behind not taking action to end such destitute, vile, reprehensible and murderous existence that many on this planet go to sleep only to wake up with each and every single day of their short lives which end without ever really living.

Why did it take 20 years to do anything in Afghanistan or Iraq? Because we only used those places as a mean to fight our battles against foes we did not want to face toe to toe in the fear of all out global war. Was that in fact the moral path to take? I guess it depends on if you happened to be gassed on the Iraq/Iran border, or your son, father or husband was you would not need to wonder.

Hell, those who did not pretty much could care less to being with, at least a huge percent of the US citizens didn't and don't give it a second thought or apply some distant passing thought it "sucks for them".

Afghanistan we supported fighting Russia to give the USSR their own Vietnam. We poured money and weapons in, trained, even had operators working with them because it was against Russia, not because it was for Afghanistan. The proof that is the case is there for all to see when we pulled out everything and left them to the Taliban and then ignored them until 9/11/2001. Then when faced with the fact that we cut and run on them so many years before, what do we say? "We made a mistake" That is almost laughable except it is so sad and so common in our past. We've made many mistakes along those lines to different degree's.


That was and is my point in all of this.

As far as Mike Moore goes, hell he is the Rush of Liberal Screens. Both of them spew screed to the masses that will suck it up like manna from heaven. The difference is, this movie, graphically depicts exactly what took place. It might be twisted to hell and back with his voice bantering our screed in the in the back ground. But if you look at the screen and tune out his opinions and view the things in it. Then you alone own what you leave with, screw HIS message and screw Rush while we're at it

I find it rather odd that if ones child was to come home and say that they had beat the hell out of someone at school because someone else had told them something that was not quit right but it was OK because the beat to hell needed it anyways. The parent would blow a gasket.

Yet when the President of this Nation pretty much does the same thing on a more extrema level it is not only defensible
but totally acceptable?

On that account I think he lied, knew he was lying and continues to lie.
On the account of the UN being pointless or otherwise a Hog with Teats, yep they are.
How they can sit back and think it is OK to let someone like Saddam rule and kill as he did is beyond me.

Where Bush went wrong was he lied. He did so partly because he knew this country would not agree with going to war to remove Saddam because he needed to be remove. This is where I hold the citizens of the USA at fault in all of this.

If we are going to wrap ourselves up in the flag and wear a moral halo of justice and righteousness then we damn well best put up and allow our nation to not only talk the talk but do the walk also or shut up. That goes for all the others nations of this world who make some claim of being moral and just...

This whole mentality of don't get involved has to end or we need to quit trying to being a leading part of the global village and be happy with holding a charter membership.


anyway back to not thinking with me...

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek article on movie from the left
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Where Bush went wrong was he lied.

Remember Clinton?

boggling...

Yeah Cliton lied and he is also a scum bag, so what?

He did not LIE to send our troops into war, he did not LIE to the UN in an attempt to get them all to join him.

You totally ignored or really do not care one iota about anything else in the post other than throwing up Clinton?

FYI Bush is President, not Clinton. He owns it lock stock and barrel...

totally mind boggling...

why is it that people always have to jump on that party band wagon?

Clinton lied...

Yeah I guess he did, you know, I was at a total loss when I was watching Al Gore on TV constantly tying Bin Laden, Saddam and 9/11 together with solid proof which could not be shared. I was flabber ghasted when Clinton went to Congress and promised all kinds of things before actually going to war, only to turn around and insult everyone at the UN and go to war without honestly attempting the first thing he promised. Oh he play acted at it just so he could say, I did what was asked and THEY SUPPORTED ME...

I could care less if he is republican, democrat or a Purple Elephant with Pink Pokadots and a Green Belly wearing a Flower Hat with bright Red Rubbers on his feet. HE FREAKING LIED on a regular basis and continues to...


You also ignored the fact that I did not say he was wrong in wanting to remove Saddam, but the means he used was very wrong and if you can not figure that out EH I am at a loss to understand how and why...


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They all lie, They all cheat , They all steal! In every town, In every state, In every country! I can't speak for other planets yet though.

What it boils down to is this: Politics is the art of lying.

It's salesmanship, it's convincing the other guy .. the other group .. the other party, that you've got the better idea.

That being what politics is about, why are some politicians condemned for practicing their art? Maybe because they are so good at it?

My observation is that President Bush must have been pretty good at it to convince a lot of people, including the majority of Congress, and Michael Moore is not so good at it.
He doesn't seem to have as many believers.
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Satan's Child........go to your room and create something

I wana move to another planet, no politicians alowed.

^ Good idea. Can I be President of the new planet?

No presidents, high counsil of ppl lead planet instead.
Change system completely. Could make a logical planet or LOTR world without the wars.

Wait wait... Is that a communist planet you want there? Or anarchist, maybe.

meh more towards logical/technologically advanced, Elvish art based planet.
Money probly wont exist.

if that doesnt work anarchy in space lol.

Everyone thought Iraq had WMD. Clinton said he did. Bush said he did. Putin said he did. Heck, Saddam thought he did too!

Luckily, WMD wasn't the main reason the US went to war in Iraq.  Saddam violated the 1991 gulf war cease fire. That was the legal reason used.

But more to the point, after 9/11, a dangerous dictator like Saddam in that part of the world could no longer be tolerated.  I am quite pleased that Saddam is gone.

They all lie, They all cheat , They all steal! In every town, In every state, In every country!

Exactly, that was my point, IP.

What makes you so sure that Kerry will be better than Bush, Clinton, or any other president?

Fact is, he wont, he will lie, cheat, and swindle, just like every other politician has done.

No, Dubya ain't perfect, but he's a lot better than that Psuedo-Catholic waffler who's trying to replace him.

As far as the WMD's, they could still be there, or maybe not. We havent checked everywhere, and I know that if I were Saddam, Id make sure I buried or otherwise hid them, rather than leave them out in the open for people to find...