So...gonna go see Farenheit 9/11?
Thursday, June 24, 2004 by Hus | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I'm not big on politics, but this is one movie you should spend $9.50 on. It opens in theaters tomorrow, so clear up your schedules and go buy the tickets! 
For those who haven't heard the buzz/controversy about this movie, here's the trailer. http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/
For those who haven't heard the buzz/controversy about this movie, here's the trailer. http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/
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lilstarfish
Reply #22 Friday, June 25, 2004 8:35 AM
Reply #22 Friday, June 25, 2004 8:35 AM
From what I hear Moore himself is only in the film for
a short time. The rest is interviews with a lot of
different people made by small film crews all over
the globe, people who work in the government, people
who work in the military etc. etc..
I never saw Bowling for Columbine. Not sure why,
but it is something with that story that doesn't
feel right.
I can't say that Moore is un-American, he feels
there are important things that needs to be discussed
and he uses his creativity to reach out to other people.
If you as an American can't raise questions about
things that really bothers you, things would seem like
in some old communist state where everyone had to think
like the leader or be imprisoned or killed.
I will probably see the film when it arrives, mainly
because I've studied a lot of the happenings from 9/11
to the present day, because 9/11 was also something
that when it happened gave me a feeling that something
was not right, and there are a lot of fishy details that
people really need to be told about.
Guess we will see if the movie is good or not.
a short time. The rest is interviews with a lot of
different people made by small film crews all over
the globe, people who work in the government, people
who work in the military etc. etc..
I never saw Bowling for Columbine. Not sure why,
but it is something with that story that doesn't
feel right.
I can't say that Moore is un-American, he feels
there are important things that needs to be discussed
and he uses his creativity to reach out to other people.
If you as an American can't raise questions about
things that really bothers you, things would seem like
in some old communist state where everyone had to think
like the leader or be imprisoned or killed.
I will probably see the film when it arrives, mainly
because I've studied a lot of the happenings from 9/11
to the present day, because 9/11 was also something
that when it happened gave me a feeling that something
was not right, and there are a lot of fishy details that
people really need to be told about.
Guess we will see if the movie is good or not.
PixelCargo
Reply #23 Friday, June 25, 2004 8:40 AM
Reply #23 Friday, June 25, 2004 8:40 AM
Well one thing im sure about is Bowling for Columbine made me proud to be Canadian.
(If you have seen the movie you will understand)
(If you have seen the movie you will understand)
ToeJo
Reply #25 Friday, June 25, 2004 9:42 AM
Please...no disrespect intended, but you can't say whether he is or is not an American because you are not an American. You have no reference point. Any more that I can say what it means to be from Sweden. Please, come to America and truly be an American before you make a judgment about whether someone is "American" or not.
He, most definitly, has the right to make his film, have it distrubited, and have it viewed.
I, most definitly, have the right to say I won't support him by watching his film. If I could watch it without putting money is his pocket, I probably would. Simply so I could justify an opinion about his film. I may do so anyway.
And for the record, any good film/video editor can take an assembly of news clips and make them say anything they want. I truly hope he has done more to support his position than that. If not, give me a couple of days to collect news clips and I'll counter his argument with my own film.
Remember, context is more important than the spoken word. Understand the context of something and you'll begin to see the bigger picture.
Reply #25 Friday, June 25, 2004 9:42 AM
| I can't say that Moore is un-American, he feelsthere are important things that needs to be discussedand he uses his creativity to reach out to other people. |
Please...no disrespect intended, but you can't say whether he is or is not an American because you are not an American. You have no reference point. Any more that I can say what it means to be from Sweden. Please, come to America and truly be an American before you make a judgment about whether someone is "American" or not.
He, most definitly, has the right to make his film, have it distrubited, and have it viewed.
I, most definitly, have the right to say I won't support him by watching his film. If I could watch it without putting money is his pocket, I probably would. Simply so I could justify an opinion about his film. I may do so anyway.
| From what I hear Moore himself is only in the film fora short time. The rest is interviews with a lot ofdifferent people made by small film crews all overthe globe, people who work in the government, peoplewho work in the military etc. etc.. |
And for the record, any good film/video editor can take an assembly of news clips and make them say anything they want. I truly hope he has done more to support his position than that. If not, give me a couple of days to collect news clips and I'll counter his argument with my own film.
Remember, context is more important than the spoken word. Understand the context of something and you'll begin to see the bigger picture.
_footsie_
Reply #26 Friday, June 25, 2004 10:01 AM
Reply #26 Friday, June 25, 2004 10:01 AM
I don't much care for anything at all to do with politics.....it's my opinion that the founding fathers of this country would be shuddering in their mocassins and buckle boots if they were to see what today's politicians have done to once respected offices. 
Politicians have become crooked and untrustworthy....all of 'em
I'm gonna go out back and get bug bit and take pictures of nature now....
while it's still here >
Politicians have become crooked and untrustworthy....all of 'em
I'm gonna go out back and get bug bit and take pictures of nature now....
while it's still here >
PixelCargo
Reply #27 Friday, June 25, 2004 10:09 AM
Reply #27 Friday, June 25, 2004 10:09 AM
I watch it not really as a political movie, its more a comedy for me.
And I agree with _footsie_ at the same time
Time for my walk.
And I agree with _footsie_ at the same time
Time for my walk.
lilstarfish
Reply #28 Friday, June 25, 2004 11:34 AM
Reply #28 Friday, June 25, 2004 11:34 AM
Citizen ToeJo said:
Well my friend, I work with American people who run American companies
on a daily basis making games and applications, I have done that for
many years and I have visited my American friends on several occasions.
I'm finding it quite interesting to see that a few people want to brand
other people who feel that the current government are doing really bad things,
as "un-American", sort of like an "outcast", someone who should be
driven away(?).
Was it "un-American" to get rid of Nixon? Was it "un-American"
to impeach Clinton?
I mean, who has the soul right to dictate what you must say and think
to get the label "100% Real American"?
For example, I am very sceptical of how our current Swedish government
are running the country though I'm not branded "un-Swedish".
People in America are like people in the rest of the world, they
are mostly quite nice and since they are many they usually have
many different ideas and views on things.
Some are like some swedes and believe everything the government
and the media tell them to believe. Others again feel that
it is important to search for the "stories behind the stories".
[Message Edited]
| Please...no disrespect intended, but you can't say whether he is or is not an American because you are not an American. You have no reference point. ... Please, come to America and truly be an American before you make a judgment about whether someone is "American" or not. |
Well my friend, I work with American people who run American companies
on a daily basis making games and applications, I have done that for
many years and I have visited my American friends on several occasions.
I'm finding it quite interesting to see that a few people want to brand
other people who feel that the current government are doing really bad things,
as "un-American", sort of like an "outcast", someone who should be
driven away(?).
Was it "un-American" to get rid of Nixon? Was it "un-American"
to impeach Clinton?
I mean, who has the soul right to dictate what you must say and think
to get the label "100% Real American"?
For example, I am very sceptical of how our current Swedish government
are running the country though I'm not branded "un-Swedish".
People in America are like people in the rest of the world, they
are mostly quite nice and since they are many they usually have
many different ideas and views on things.
Some are like some swedes and believe everything the government
and the media tell them to believe. Others again feel that
it is important to search for the "stories behind the stories".
[Message Edited]
DesignCaddy
Reply #29 Friday, June 25, 2004 11:47 AM
yeah. half of it was fabricated, twisted, and blown out of proportion.
Michael Moore is your classic yellow journalist. he contradicts himself by using the same tactics in his articles that he attacks the press for using, and he takes a small peice of fact and exploads it into fiction. regardless of 'eye witness interviews' and 'first hand accounts' from the people he interviews for this film, i have no reason to believe he wouldn't twist such reports around the way he does with everything else, for example by only showing certain interviews that send a spacific message, and only relaying messages that support his own opinions in politics, and which make ever so dramatic the 'action' of that horrible day for the simple purpose of making something entertaining, and spurring people to make protest.
there is a way to tell history, and to memorialize people. he is not the man who should be doing it. additionally, i agree with so many others of you: i don't want to put any money into that mans pocket.
Reply #29 Friday, June 25, 2004 11:47 AM
| something with that story that doesn't feel right. |
yeah. half of it was fabricated, twisted, and blown out of proportion.
Michael Moore is your classic yellow journalist. he contradicts himself by using the same tactics in his articles that he attacks the press for using, and he takes a small peice of fact and exploads it into fiction. regardless of 'eye witness interviews' and 'first hand accounts' from the people he interviews for this film, i have no reason to believe he wouldn't twist such reports around the way he does with everything else, for example by only showing certain interviews that send a spacific message, and only relaying messages that support his own opinions in politics, and which make ever so dramatic the 'action' of that horrible day for the simple purpose of making something entertaining, and spurring people to make protest.
there is a way to tell history, and to memorialize people. he is not the man who should be doing it. additionally, i agree with so many others of you: i don't want to put any money into that mans pocket.
Matchbook
Reply #30 Friday, June 25, 2004 11:49 AM
Reply #30 Friday, June 25, 2004 11:49 AM
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?messageDate=2004-02-11
Worthy read. A letter to Bush from M. Moore, regarding the press conference here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040210-3.html [a very funny video, what a dodgy guy!]
Interesting read, as well, explains a little more of the movie:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?messageDate=2004-06-18
More reading:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?messageDate=2004-06-18
Worthy read. A letter to Bush from M. Moore, regarding the press conference here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040210-3.html [a very funny video, what a dodgy guy!]
Interesting read, as well, explains a little more of the movie:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?messageDate=2004-06-18
More reading:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?messageDate=2004-06-18
Matchbook
Reply #31 Friday, June 25, 2004 11:51 AM
Reply #31 Friday, June 25, 2004 11:51 AM
Funny, many people shared the same disdain for Mark Lane when he wrote "Rush to Judgement' in 1966. [which was a piece by piece tear-down of the Warren Commission's report on the assassination] ..
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Matchbook
Reply #32 Friday, June 25, 2004 11:55 AM
Reply #32 Friday, June 25, 2004 11:55 AM
..besides, if exploring all possibilities when seeking truth makes one un-American, c'est la vie! 
Matchbook
Reply #33 Friday, June 25, 2004 12:04 PM
Reply #33 Friday, June 25, 2004 12:04 PM
More links 
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/
Aleatoric
Reply #34 Friday, June 25, 2004 12:58 PM
Reply #34 Friday, June 25, 2004 12:58 PM
Nope,
As a few others have mentioned, I'd be interested in the subject matter if it were presented by anyone else, but Moore no longer has any real credibility. He couldn't investigate the location of his own head if you gave him a search party and a copy of Gray's Anatomy.
Neither this, nor 'Bowling' qualify as an honest documentary. It's really nothing more than a blog screed, writ large.
I would, however, be interested in an *honest* evaluation of the subject matter.
As a few others have mentioned, I'd be interested in the subject matter if it were presented by anyone else, but Moore no longer has any real credibility. He couldn't investigate the location of his own head if you gave him a search party and a copy of Gray's Anatomy.
Neither this, nor 'Bowling' qualify as an honest documentary. It's really nothing more than a blog screed, writ large.
I would, however, be interested in an *honest* evaluation of the subject matter.
DesignCaddy
Reply #36 Friday, June 25, 2004 3:38 PM
Reply #36 Friday, June 25, 2004 3:38 PM
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?messageDate=2004-06-18
what an ass. i always try to keep an open mind when i read his rants, but all i got out of this was whining and name calling.
read his pps's.
what an ass. i always try to keep an open mind when i read his rants, but all i got out of this was whining and name calling.
read his pps's.
Satans Child
Reply #37 Friday, June 25, 2004 5:39 PM
Reply #37 Friday, June 25, 2004 5:39 PM
I will see it. It's bad enough that if a news source wants to do a story about the Bush administration they are threatened to have their liscence pulled by the FCC and fined millions of dollars. If you haven't heard about all thats been going on with the Bush Administration then I suggest you get off your 'puter for a couple hours a day and find reputible news sources that WILL speak of the CRIMES commited and form your own oppinions.
Don't give me this UN_American crap either ... born and raised in the best place on earth to live has given me the right to want to know! Good or bad, I WANT TO KNOW! If you're so narrow minded that you will let you government do as they please when and how they want then YOU I say are the un_American. For the people, by the people ... not, for the chosen few by the wallet. Knowledge is power. Empower yourselves!
Don't give me this UN_American crap either ... born and raised in the best place on earth to live has given me the right to want to know! Good or bad, I WANT TO KNOW! If you're so narrow minded that you will let you government do as they please when and how they want then YOU I say are the un_American. For the people, by the people ... not, for the chosen few by the wallet. Knowledge is power. Empower yourselves!
MGiff
Reply #39 Friday, June 25, 2004 7:26 PM
Reply #39 Friday, June 25, 2004 7:26 PM
From the above link:
"They also don't like pets and are mean to small children. Too many of them are named "Fred.""
Hmm. I'm conservative, have cats, niece, nephew, 3 great nieces and am most definitely not named Fred.
"They also don't like pets and are mean to small children. Too many of them are named "Fred.""
Hmm. I'm conservative, have cats, niece, nephew, 3 great nieces and am most definitely not named Fred.
fiberhax
Reply #40 Friday, June 25, 2004 10:37 PM
Reply #40 Friday, June 25, 2004 10:37 PM
I wouldn't waste the money of my worst enemy on this shlockumentary.
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Reply #21 Friday, June 25, 2004 8:19 AM
(Like in ye ole dino years)