Sooooo.... can you create a Universe???
Thursday, May 20, 2004 by joetheblow | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
"Linde, it should be said, is famous for his mock-gloomy manner, and these words were laced with irony. But he insisted that this genesis-in-a-lab scenario was feasible, at least in principle. "What my theoretical argument shows—and Alan Guth and others who have looked at this matter have come to the same conclusion—is that we can't rule out the possibility that our own universe was created in a lab by someone in another universe who just felt like doing it."
http://slate.msn.com/id/2100715/
What????
joetheblow stands back and watches what others have to say about this...
http://slate.msn.com/id/2100715/
What????
joetheblow stands back and watches what others have to say about this...
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eieio
Reply #2 Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:09 AM
Reply #2 Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:09 AM
Somehow, I am reminded of 'Men in Black'
Universes within universes.
Universes within universes.
Alternate Setting
Reply #3 Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:44 AM
Reply #3 Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:44 AM
Bigger fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
Johnathon Swift
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
Johnathon Swift
Z71
Reply #4 Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:27 AM
Reply #4 Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:27 AM
I'd like to make 2 points.
First God or bigbang. (Keep reading, I'm not going to start quoting). If you believe in God, (boom) we were here, but were did God come from? If you believe in the bigbang, were did the stuff come from that created the bigbang? Even the first speck of dust in space. Who or what created it? You can't create something from nothing.
Second, Space.
Everyone says space goes on forever. I disagree. To me, space has to end somewhere. We say it goes on forever, because we would never get to the end in our lifetime.
And if space ends, what is on the otherside?
Just something to think about.
First God or bigbang. (Keep reading, I'm not going to start quoting). If you believe in God, (boom) we were here, but were did God come from? If you believe in the bigbang, were did the stuff come from that created the bigbang? Even the first speck of dust in space. Who or what created it? You can't create something from nothing.
Second, Space.
Everyone says space goes on forever. I disagree. To me, space has to end somewhere. We say it goes on forever, because we would never get to the end in our lifetime.
And if space ends, what is on the otherside?
Just something to think about.
ToeJo
Reply #5 Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:03 PM
Reply #5 Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:03 PM
That has got to be one of the most entertaining articles I have ever read. Thanks JTB...I'll knaw on this for weeks.
ToeJo
Reply #6 Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:17 PM
Reply #6 Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:17 PM
Let me get this straight...The answer to life, the universe and everything is a number and only the scientists really know what is going on...
Where is Zaphod Beeblebrox when you need him?
(At least, I think that is how you spell his name...it's been a long time)
Where is Zaphod Beeblebrox when you need him?
(At least, I think that is how you spell his name...it's been a long time)
kona0197
Reply #7 Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:30 PM
I tend to disagree. But I have alot of faith.
Reply #7 Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:30 PM
| You can't create something from nothing. |
I tend to disagree. But I have alot of faith.
crofttk
Reply #8 Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:14 PM
Reply #8 Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:14 PM
Aaah... Crud ! I'm not gonna bite off too much of this one on the quantum physics side because I'm sure I'd overstep my proficiency and some smart physicist would mow me down.
However, without articulating in detail, I don't think there is a necessary and PROVEN disconnect between Creationism and the Big Bang.
I just think we lack the ability to bridge that gap for now and am content to allow my faith to do that for me.
However, without articulating in detail, I don't think there is a necessary and PROVEN disconnect between Creationism and the Big Bang.
I just think we lack the ability to bridge that gap for now and am content to allow my faith to do that for me.
MarkMcQ
Reply #9 Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:28 PM
Reply #9 Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:28 PM
I believe if we were to fly far enough out, we'd find that the universe is located in the bottom of some large cosmic toilet bowl....
Essencay
Reply #10 Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:32 PM
Reply #10 Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:32 PM
We're probably some 6th-grader's seamonkey science project 
Styl-X Design
Reply #11 Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:37 PM
Reply #11 Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:37 PM
#4 by Z71 - 5/20/2004 11:27:03 AM
Z71, The stuff that caused the big bang was there and always have been there. Don't you believe that something can stay there for ever, figure this, what happens when you die, you dissapear, for ever.
and yes, I am not a religious person.
2, where is the end of a sphere? if you will fly arround in a sphere you don't end up somewhere, you endup at the same place you started. there is no beginning and if there is no beginning, there is no..... go figure
Z71, The stuff that caused the big bang was there and always have been there. Don't you believe that something can stay there for ever, figure this, what happens when you die, you dissapear, for ever.
and yes, I am not a religious person.
2, where is the end of a sphere? if you will fly arround in a sphere you don't end up somewhere, you endup at the same place you started. there is no beginning and if there is no beginning, there is no..... go figure
joetheblow
Reply #12 Thursday, May 20, 2004 8:48 PM
That is why I found the story so amazing. he is, in some ways, saying it is possible that someone could have created some small universe in there own plain of existence and then this creation disappeared from that persons sight after a split second.
The teach praises the student and the student gets an A+
In the mean time, a universe was created within Time/Space and has grown to its current point that we are in now.
Reply #12 Thursday, May 20, 2004 8:48 PM
| #10 by Essencay - 5/20/2004 4:32:01 PM We're probably some 6th-grader's seamonkey science project |
That is why I found the story so amazing. he is, in some ways, saying it is possible that someone could have created some small universe in there own plain of existence and then this creation disappeared from that persons sight after a split second.
The teach praises the student and the student gets an A+
In the mean time, a universe was created within Time/Space and has grown to its current point that we are in now.
IPlural
Reply #13 Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:27 PM
Or, maybe just the nasty ring of deposits...
Reply #13 Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:27 PM
| #9 by Wizop Hippy - I believe if we were to fly far enough out, we'd find that the universe is located in the bottom of some large cosmic toilet bowl.... |
Or, maybe just the nasty ring of deposits...
DesignCaddy
Reply #14 Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:52 PM
Reply #14 Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:52 PM
the only thing certain in life is death and taxes. everything else is just a debate on CNN.
Old_Crab
Reply #15 Friday, May 21, 2004 2:49 AM
Reply #15 Friday, May 21, 2004 2:49 AM
I believe that somewhere in the Universe a civilization is looking at us and giggling. Our quantum physics is what they teach their pre-kindergardners and yes space does end. At the very edge of the known Universe is a very, very, very large and tall brick wall. >
Alternate Setting
Reply #16 Friday, May 21, 2004 3:00 AM
Reply #16 Friday, May 21, 2004 3:00 AM
I Just go with heisenberg and as a matter of principle am happy to remain uncertain 
Z71
Reply #20 Friday, May 21, 2004 1:29 PM
Reply #20 Friday, May 21, 2004 1:29 PM
#7
I was talking about (people) in general.
#11
Everthing has a beginning and ending. The stuff just being there forever is not an answer.(Nor am I looking for one).
Who says space is a sphere. Even if it is, I was talking about "what is on the other side of the sphere".
I was talking about (people) in general.
#11
Everthing has a beginning and ending. The stuff just being there forever is not an answer.(Nor am I looking for one).
Who says space is a sphere. Even if it is, I was talking about "what is on the other side of the sphere".
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Reply #1 Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:06 AM