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Thursday, May 6, 2004 by Blackwood | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
One Rule: You have to post exactly what you are thinking at the exact time you are at this thread. It may be long, short, stupid, or smart, but it''s what''s on your mind.
Ex: MY TECH TEACHER IS CRAZIER THEN HELL
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Ex: MY TECH TEACHER IS CRAZIER THEN HELL
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Shameless Designs
Reply #105 Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:40 PM
Jafo, it is also not particularly clever to perpetuate an urban legend which has no real basis in fact. The following excerpt is from the alt.usage.english FAQ http://www.plexoft.com/SBF/FAQaue/index.html#%22alumin%28i%29um%22, however, I can cite mumerous other sources should you require them. I offer this excerpt simply because it seems to most comprehensively capture the salient points.
"alumin(i)um" (notes by Keith Ivey)
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This word is usually "aluminum" /@'lu:m@n@m/ in the U.S. and in
Canada, and "aluminium" /,&lU'mInI@m/ in other English-speaking
countries.
People sometimes complain that the American form is inconsistent
with other element names, which end in "-ium". But even in British
spelling, there are elements that end in "-um" not preceded by "i":
lanthanum, molybdenum, platinum, and tantalum (not to mention
argentum, aurum, cuprum, ferrum, hydrargyrum, plumbum, and stannum
but then those aren't English names, just the names from which the
symbols are derived).
A widespread false belief among those who spell the word
"aluminium" is that theirs is the original spelling, from which the
American version is a later development, perhaps resulting from a
typographical error. The CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics
(63rd ed., p. B-5) gives this bit of history:
The ancient Greeks and Romans used alum in medicine as an
astringent, and as a mordant in dyeing. In 1761 [Baron Louis-
Bernard Guyton] de Morveau proposed the name alumine for the
base in alum, and [Antoine] Lavoisier, in 1787, thought this
to be the oxide of a still undiscovered metal. [...] In 1807,
[Sir Humphrey] Davy proposed the name alumium for the metal,
undiscovered at that time, and later agreed to change it to
aluminum. Shortly thereafter, the name aluminium was
adopted to conform with the "ium" ending of most elements,
and this spelling is now in use elsewhere in the world.
Aluminium was also the accepted spelling in the U.S. until
1925, at which time the American Chemical Society officially
decided to use the name aluminum thereafter in their
publications.
I used to work for ACS, but I have no idea why they would have
chosen "aluminum" over "aluminium", especially if "aluminium" was
already established.
_A Dictionary of American English on Historical Principles_
(University of Chicago Press, 1938, ISBN 0-226-11737-5) gives U.S.
citations of "aluminum" from 1836, 1855, 1889 (two), and 1916, and
says: "This form is in common use in mining, manufacturing, and
the trade in the U.S. the form _aluminium_ is used with practical
uniformity in Great Britain and generally by chemists in the U.S."
"Aluminium" is given as the only form by Noah Webster's 1828
dictionary and as the preferred form by _The Century Dictionary_
(1889) and by the 9th and 11th editions of the Encyclopaedia
Britannica. The Britannica yearbook switched its index entry from
"aluminium or aluminum" to "aluminum" in 1942.
I have been unable to find evidence from any reputable source which supports your claim of the origin of the form "aluminum." According to all of my research, the actual origin of the word is from a reknowned Englishman, Sir Humphry Davy. So unless you can provide reasonable evidence to the contrary, I respectfully request that you apologize to DesignCaddy and my fellow Americans for your aspersions, at least to the extent of the relevant remarks in this thread.
Reply #105 Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:40 PM
| #76 by Admin Jafo - 5/10/2004 8:11:07 AM DesignCaddy....it was never particularly 'clever' to allow a type-setter's error to determine how a language should 'evolve'....call it a horse and cart issue....or the tail wagging the dog. |
Jafo, it is also not particularly clever to perpetuate an urban legend which has no real basis in fact. The following excerpt is from the alt.usage.english FAQ http://www.plexoft.com/SBF/FAQaue/index.html#%22alumin%28i%29um%22, however, I can cite mumerous other sources should you require them. I offer this excerpt simply because it seems to most comprehensively capture the salient points.
"alumin(i)um" (notes by Keith Ivey)
-
This word is usually "aluminum" /@'lu:m@n@m/ in the U.S. and in
Canada, and "aluminium" /,&lU'mInI@m/ in other English-speaking
countries.
People sometimes complain that the American form is inconsistent
with other element names, which end in "-ium". But even in British
spelling, there are elements that end in "-um" not preceded by "i":
lanthanum, molybdenum, platinum, and tantalum (not to mention
argentum, aurum, cuprum, ferrum, hydrargyrum, plumbum, and stannum
but then those aren't English names, just the names from which the
symbols are derived).
A widespread false belief among those who spell the word
"aluminium" is that theirs is the original spelling, from which the
American version is a later development, perhaps resulting from a
typographical error. The CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics
(63rd ed., p. B-5) gives this bit of history:
The ancient Greeks and Romans used alum in medicine as an
astringent, and as a mordant in dyeing. In 1761 [Baron Louis-
Bernard Guyton] de Morveau proposed the name alumine for the
base in alum, and [Antoine] Lavoisier, in 1787, thought this
to be the oxide of a still undiscovered metal. [...] In 1807,
[Sir Humphrey] Davy proposed the name alumium for the metal,
undiscovered at that time, and later agreed to change it to
aluminum. Shortly thereafter, the name aluminium was
adopted to conform with the "ium" ending of most elements,
and this spelling is now in use elsewhere in the world.
Aluminium was also the accepted spelling in the U.S. until
1925, at which time the American Chemical Society officially
decided to use the name aluminum thereafter in their
publications.
I used to work for ACS, but I have no idea why they would have
chosen "aluminum" over "aluminium", especially if "aluminium" was
already established.
_A Dictionary of American English on Historical Principles_
(University of Chicago Press, 1938, ISBN 0-226-11737-5) gives U.S.
citations of "aluminum" from 1836, 1855, 1889 (two), and 1916, and
says: "This form is in common use in mining, manufacturing, and
the trade in the U.S. the form _aluminium_ is used with practical
uniformity in Great Britain and generally by chemists in the U.S."
"Aluminium" is given as the only form by Noah Webster's 1828
dictionary and as the preferred form by _The Century Dictionary_
(1889) and by the 9th and 11th editions of the Encyclopaedia
Britannica. The Britannica yearbook switched its index entry from
"aluminium or aluminum" to "aluminum" in 1942.
I have been unable to find evidence from any reputable source which supports your claim of the origin of the form "aluminum." According to all of my research, the actual origin of the word is from a reknowned Englishman, Sir Humphry Davy. So unless you can provide reasonable evidence to the contrary, I respectfully request that you apologize to DesignCaddy and my fellow Americans for your aspersions, at least to the extent of the relevant remarks in this thread.
Shameless Designs
Reply #107 Saturday, May 15, 2004 1:46 PM
Reply #107 Saturday, May 15, 2004 1:46 PM
Posted as a matter of pride, an interest in debunking myths, and in defense of my fellow Americans, Styl. Feel free to ignore it if you wish.
Styl-X Design
Reply #108 Saturday, May 15, 2004 2:35 PM
Reply #108 Saturday, May 15, 2004 2:35 PM
as I do not see myself as an American, I will just shut up and leave this post 
Jafo
Reply #109 Saturday, May 15, 2004 8:21 PM
Reply #109 Saturday, May 15, 2004 8:21 PM
Oh for crying out loud....it seems there's a century or so of 'ium' usage before 'um' is adopted in America....the previous originating outside the US....so nothing there changes anything at all....
joetheblow
Reply #111 Saturday, May 15, 2004 9:44 PM
Reply #111 Saturday, May 15, 2004 9:44 PM
I'm going on a date!!!!
And... I am not reading all of what Shameless Designs wrote.
I am sure its currect... or not. One of these two.
Synergy is not a dick... as in Dick Tracy. It is something that can be achieved through smart planning and getting people to understand why its important and where the emphasis should be placed. This should not be a top-down strategy or a 'because my boss told me to'. It should be a joint effort with employees on board and marketed internally to help everyone know what their work if for and how it is important to the whole team.
And... I am not reading all of what Shameless Designs wrote.
I am sure its currect... or not. One of these two.
Synergy is not a dick... as in Dick Tracy. It is something that can be achieved through smart planning and getting people to understand why its important and where the emphasis should be placed. This should not be a top-down strategy or a 'because my boss told me to'. It should be a joint effort with employees on board and marketed internally to help everyone know what their work if for and how it is important to the whole team.
Shameless Designs
Reply #115 Saturday, May 15, 2004 11:48 PM
The concept of synergy, the output of the combined forces being greater than the sum of the inputs. is truly a wonderful thing. "synergy", referring to the nom de plume of a citizen expressing himself on these message boards, however, is another matter altogether. But I do agree, that he is not a dick... as in Dick Tracy.
Reply #115 Saturday, May 15, 2004 11:48 PM
| Synergy is not a dick... as in Dick Tracy |
The concept of synergy, the output of the combined forces being greater than the sum of the inputs. is truly a wonderful thing. "synergy", referring to the nom de plume of a citizen expressing himself on these message boards, however, is another matter altogether. But I do agree, that he is not a dick... as in Dick Tracy.
IPlural
Reply #116 Sunday, May 16, 2004 12:10 AM
add a weed to the end up it though....
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Reply #116 Sunday, May 16, 2004 12:10 AM
add a weed to the end up it though....
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yrag
Reply #119 Sunday, May 16, 2004 12:17 AM
Reply #119 Sunday, May 16, 2004 12:17 AM
Hey, John...how things goin' down in the land of the Spanish?
IPlural
Reply #120 Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:24 AM
Reply #120 Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:24 AM
Cu'ba man, chew kno cho got to get it right, itz Cu'ba..
Hector tells me that when I ask when he is moving back to Florida.
It's very convulted and contentious in the land of Sand and the Pandering Man.
You know, they do not call this the Mickey Mouse State for nothing
Hector tells me that when I ask when he is moving back to Florida.It's very convulted and contentious in the land of Sand and the Pandering Man.
You know, they do not call this the Mickey Mouse State for nothing
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Reply #101 Friday, May 14, 2004 9:41 AM
Well, I guess thats honestly what you're thinking. Cant fault you for that.
(I sort of agree