what is the deal with MAC people???

Saturday, April 17, 2004 by DesignCaddy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

there, i said it! "what IS the deal?". i gave up on the PC mac debate a while ago, previously i was always up for the fight. but having used both systems extensively over the last 6 months, there is just no reason to argue. i use both, i design for both, i prefer a pc. they both can do the same things now. they both have their issues. there is no such thing as 'just plug it in and it works'. case in point, my gf's brand new g4. not a single thing we plugged into that thing, except for the keyboard and mouse, laoded right up with a whole lot of fighting. (moot point but i plugged the same devices into my laptop to see if the devices were broken, they both came up instantly). both machines are in the same boat now with the exception that one is unix and one is windows and of course unix can do things windows can't and vise versa.

having said that. what is the deal. i was at a bar last night with an old friend, hadn't seen him in a year, and he begins to argue with me out of the blue about how he can't imagine why i'm on a pc and how he can do so much more with a g5 he wants to get (mind you, he is a sculpter and has no need for it). i try to tell him 'look, i wont argue with you, to each his own i've used both i prefer the pc. i just do'. he doesn't let it , and he continues to argue with me. it takes me 5 minutes to end the convo.

we slide down the table to a friend of his who allegedly is a graphic designer. jay and i talk about this zine i used to run and i mention how i didn't know enough about the web back then to get it to work on a mac. this guy out of the blue starts flipping out about how safari is the most superior browser on the planet and how nothing works right unless its on a mac. i try to tell him calmly over and over how from the start of the conversation i agreed with him on something about how safari treats code. but he just doens't get it. he doesn't even listen to me, and he goes on and on about how safari is so beyond its time regardless that he began by talking about how nazi safari is on its code. (i say if you can screw up coding on IE, and it still figures out how to display the page properly, that has to be a testiment to the browser's design. but nobody seems to get that. anyway..) it takes me 5 minutes to calm the guy down, and he begins to ignore me completeley as i talk to jay. then i mention to jay how i also didn't make the graphics right for a mac. the guy turns around sharply again and goes off again. 'what do you mean the graphics wouldn't work right on a mac?' i calmly and slowely explain to him that i didn't know enough about clean coding and making graphics for the web to make a sliced up image display its table properly on the different platform.

this is a phenominum i've only ever ecountered with apple users. if you attempt to point out a limitation on their machine they jump all over you. they refuse to listen to anything you say when you might be blatently correct. however if you mention something baout what a PC can't do, its all 'thats because microsoft sucks and its all corporate money grubbing'.

furthermore, they pick a fight with you when you arn't even contrasting the two. in this case i was talking about how i was a young programmer and didn't know enough about the web to make things look good on both machines, and they argued with me it was the equipment i was using.

i have never come across a pc person who out of the blue flies off the handle about their machine. however every single mac user i've met has tried to fight me.

a good friend of mine recently moved from a pc to a mac because of the changes panther brought baout on the apple. he still keeps an open mind about what both can do.

i am a graphic designer.. i think if i can design on a pc, take it to press and have a flawless product without any conmversion of layout, color, or type, then i just might know what i'm talking about. but they never care. professors, friends, my boss at work. they still tell me if i ever want to go anywhere i need to be on a mac. its just bull.
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macrobaye
Reply #41 Monday, April 19, 2004 11:26 AM
Well my point was that how can you say "what's the deal with MAC users?" That's kind of irony in and of itself... because that's a complaint. You're complaining about mac users complaining. Seems kind of redundant.

And about the 20% thing. The real figure is somewhere around 11%, sorry for the mix up. I found an article from a Syracuse paper about it. it states that the installed home base of Apple computers is about 11%, not counting businesses (who rely on PCs not because they're better, just because they're cheap and some see them as the standard).
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paxx
Reply #42 Monday, April 19, 2004 11:37 AM

Macrobaye, please find me that article, as I'd like to know their source. The Mac users I know change their computer more often than the PC users I know. The reason being that the Mac users I know all work on high end graphics, and they need more power as soon as it's available.

As for the $6,000 figure, I can fax you a bill if you want. But I admit that it's $6,000 in Canadian money, which is probably $4,000 in US money or so.

But you missed my point. My point was that if you spend the same money on each system, you'll get the same performance. Wheather you spend $1,000, $2,000 or $4,000. There is no reason to fight about this anymore, as it's all the same.

DesignCaddy
Reply #43 Monday, April 19, 2004 12:06 PM
i'd like to look at it less as complaining and more of a question of 'why'.. while you say its the PC's who start the fight, it looks like a lot of us here have all come across the kind of person i described, and i'm just wondering why these people have that mindset.. why they don't want to listen to me tell them what i'm comfortable with and just accept there is nothing wrong with a pc?

i think it'd be fun to visit an apple forum and start up a similar conversation on their side to see what their response is. (best 'carrie bradshaw voice' are pc users as agnostic as mac users? in my experience hell no but that IS just me. while i try to keep an open mind, i admit it will take a lot to convince me otherwise. mind you its not just people in bars or old friends that give me gripe. it is people at work (my @#!!ing boss!), the guy at kinkos, 4 professors, the guy at the OSX convention.. the only person who's opinion i value is harry, our IT guy at work, who has to deal with networking pc's all day who is a mac whore at heart. as biased as he is, i know he knows both machines fluently. while he tells me what my machine can't do (that it really can do) i know he's comming from an angle of looking at how much of a bitch it is to manage 200 computers and a bunch of satallite server systems and how simple networking is on a mac.. but has all changed with XP and even with panther. just yesterday it took me 2 minutes to have my desktop pc, my laptop, kari's g4 and her new ibook all talking and sharing their printers together. but i still suprise him by asking why my gf's computer won't talk to her printer.

now that i think about it, i don't know if i can handle going to an apple forum and asking that question. again comming from past experience, if i say 'im a windows user here is my question' i'm certain all i would get is a whole bunch of gripe about how much me, my cat, and my first born son suck. i've tried something like that before.
Sput
Reply #44 Monday, April 19, 2004 1:24 PM
DesignCaddy - you ask why? My theory is that it's because they are a minority, and people in a minority tend to feel they have to defend their corner. It seems to be a human instinct thing.

As for the debate, PC/Mac are both the same these days...they both crash, they both cost money, they both keep me in work

More seriously - it used to be true that Macs were far superior for graphical design works, it used to be true that Macs were much easier to use, it used to be true that they looked much better than ANY PC (now it's just better than most), and it used to be true that there was roughly the same total cost of ownership for companies for both PCs and Macs.

Now, PCs are up to the graphical intensive tasks, especially because most of the load is taken by the graphics cards and these are the same or similar on both platforms.

Now Pcs have become almost consumer level devices with the advent of XP, and Macs have become trickier (under the hood) thanks OSX being Unix in all but name.

Now some companies making PCs have concentrated on making sexy looking machines as well as performance/price...and there are all sorts of options to customise them yourself if looks are important to you.

Now, because PCs dominate the market so much, and most people develop PC skills (both users and support staff) etc, most companies find the TCO for PCs significantly lower than for Macs (we've just had external KPMG auditors looking and reporting on this for where I work and they have the business studies to back this up).

Which would I pick (having used both and many other platforms in the past)? An Acorn Archimedies any day
Matchbook
Reply #45 Monday, April 19, 2004 2:14 PM
...reminds me of the Linix/Windows debate. Neverending and never winning .. ...

We might as well argue religion next, too.

Then we can debate Canada vs. the US, then maybe we can move onto white bread vs. brown bread.

If there's time in the end, maybe we can debate the mayonaisse vs. miracle whip debate too.

Sounds like fun. Count me in.
craeonics
Reply #46 Monday, April 19, 2004 2:44 PM
Mayonaise. No contest.
macrobaye
Reply #47 Monday, April 19, 2004 3:06 PM
I just think it's unfair to build up a stereotype like that. I can guarantee you that I've met a boat load of PC users who get offensive about their PCs and say (ignorantly) that macs suck... but I don't go and say that all PC users are ignorant and ask "why are PC users so ignorant" etc... i just think it's unfair to label people like that. And I'd say that I'm entitled to feel this way, so don't go bashing me for expressing this.

FINAL POINT:

PCs are fine computers for home and office use, BUT Macs will probably always be viewed as the best platform for professional use, such as filmmaking, graphical work, music composing, etc. It's not only the hardware, remember, it's the software that make's mac the best comps for professionals:

Logic, Final Cut Pro HD, Motion, DVD Studio Pro, Shake, all have won awards (even Oscars and Emmys) for the application in professional uses.
Rocky Nimda
Reply #48 Monday, April 19, 2004 3:07 PM
No, NO, NO, it's Miracle Whip

Actually, I don't care for either, but it's got to be on white bread.
macrobaye
Reply #49 Monday, April 19, 2004 3:08 PM
Macrobaye, please find me that article, as I'd like to know their source.


It came from http://www.macdailynews.com/comments.php?id=P1672_0_1_0

It's a Mac Daily News site but the article is from a paper located in Syracuse.
DesignCaddy
Reply #50 Monday, April 19, 2004 5:32 PM
everyone knows that helmans mayanaise is better then miracle whip.. pffft.



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Essencay
Reply #51 Monday, April 19, 2004 7:13 PM
Cains Mayonnaise....Lobster Rolls Wicked Good!
tom325
Reply #52 Monday, April 19, 2004 7:59 PM
The experience on a PC or a Mac has a lot to do with the application programmers who created it - more so than many other attributes. Throw in a big company who can arm wrestle Microsoft, Intel, Apple, etc. and some of them can create some pretty good stuff. Stuff that will, on one platform or the other, scream, while on the opposite, will languish - especially true of PC-centric developers who either do not see much of a market on the Mac side or make a minimal effort (especially if all they have to do is cross-compile( to amke a Mac version. Games are a different story. Here getting to the guts of the system bowels is manadtory to get the performance and splash that gamers now demand - Pong is not a programming challenge - Making Lara's boobs jiggle in a sexy pleasing manner is.

I grew up with a Mac, I use UNIX SUN Boxes, HP Basic and PCs every day. I don't boot my Mac two times a day because the basic operating system features are broken - or broke afer many things clashed and conflicted. The PC world is susceptible to many factors - many motherboards, many video cards, many this many that - not many of which are truly compatible to six nines. Factor into that there are many RAM suppliers - the basic RAM chips come from a limited number of sources - the quality of second, third and even fourth grade chips (sorted at test before shipping to tier one or lesser suppliers - leaves this as a major weakness. The specs required for Apple computers is generally tighter than run-of the mill PC motherboards. Consequently one major area that an Apple does better, overall, is that memory is not as likely to lead to a crash. On a PC, if you get cheap RAM, you get a blue screen - or similar aggrevations.

I find PCs to have many issues - one of the biggest, to me, is software installation - and more importantly REMOVAL. Too many little gremlins hang around. But it all is a conspiracy by the PC software people. I'll make a cool app, you make it work or enable it to be fixed and we both can profit.

There just are not that many developers on the Mac platform for this kind of collusion.

Lord Uintah



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ToeJo
Reply #53 Monday, April 19, 2004 10:25 PM
I'm a PC tech. We got this graphics "artist?" that insisted that he had to have a Mac to match the "Industry standards" I can't believe my boss fell for it...but sure enough...he has his Mac. He's always calling me asking me how to fix his Mac. It cracks me up. I've never used one and don't really care too. What I think is the coolest thing to do is start ragging on his "MacInTrash" He gets all red in the face and starts flapping his arms like he's trying to take off like a bird or something...I think it's hilarious I hope he never finds out that I just really don't care one bit. Just don't ask me to fix one...I be better off landing a 747.
macrobaye
Reply #54 Monday, April 19, 2004 10:55 PM
I'm a PC tech. We got this graphics "artist?" that insisted that he had to have a Mac to match the "Industry standards" I can't believe my boss fell for it...but sure enough...he has his Mac. He's always calling me asking me how to fix his Mac. It cracks me up. I've never used one and don't really care too. What I think is the coolest thing to do is start ragging on his "MacInTrash" He gets all red in the face and starts flapping his arms like he's trying to take off like a bird or something...I think it's hilarious I hope he never finds out that I just really don't care one bit. Just don't ask me to fix one...I be better off landing a 747.


Here you go, DesignCaddy... a PC user instigating an argument by calling a Mac "MacInTrash" trying to piss a mac user off. This happens all the time. And what's worse is that the PC user is completely ignorant. He's never used a mac in his life!
Hus
Reply #55 Monday, April 19, 2004 11:28 PM
It's a conspiracy...the government's of the world want uniformity in computing, so they let MS keep a monopoly on operating systems. Apple just doesn't know this yet, and keep developing the Mac. It's futile...
EventHorizon
Reply #56 Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:53 AM
kona0197
Reply #57 Tuesday, April 20, 2004 1:24 AM
Macrobaye: you should think before you type. >
Digital Fusion
Reply #58 Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:54 AM
Mac users are just pissed 'cause they've been bumped to 3rd behind LiNUX on the desktop...

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6013
macrobaye
Reply #59 Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:38 AM
right kona, you should think before you think
ToeJo
Reply #60 Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:57 AM
What cracks me up is how emotional a Mac user gets when you cut on his machine. You could tell the bulk of the PC users out there that there machine is trash, that they should be using a Mac and they are just stuiped for not doing so and the PC user will look at you and say, "so?" PC users just don't get emotional about their PC's like Mac users do. I don't get it? You could call a Mac users mother something bad and that won't get half the reaction you would get if you cut on their Mac. It's like a bad religion or something. A new form of prejudice? .

If Jobs was smart he would make a MacIntosh teddy bear computer so they could all sleep better at night. I can see it now...various colored, soft, furry, ITeddy's for every restless Mac user. It could even play your favorite lullabyes from ITunes to lull you to sleep at night.

While he's at it he ought to make IBetty...The interactive girlfriend. Her pick up line could be, "That's quite a Mac you're packing big boy!"

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