what is the deal with MAC people???
Saturday, April 17, 2004 by DesignCaddy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
having said that. what is the deal. i was at a bar last night with an old friend, hadn't seen him in a year, and he begins to argue with me out of the blue about how he can't imagine why i'm on a pc and how he can do so much more with a g5 he wants to get (mind you, he is a sculpter and has no need for it). i try to tell him 'look, i wont argue with you, to each his own i've used both i prefer the pc. i just do'. he doesn't let it , and he continues to argue with me. it takes me 5 minutes to end the convo.
we slide down the table to a friend of his who allegedly is a graphic designer. jay and i talk about this zine i used to run and i mention how i didn't know enough about the web back then to get it to work on a mac. this guy out of the blue starts flipping out about how safari is the most superior browser on the planet and how nothing works right unless its on a mac. i try to tell him calmly over and over how from the start of the conversation i agreed with him on something about how safari treats code. but he just doens't get it. he doesn't even listen to me, and he goes on and on about how safari is so beyond its time regardless that he began by talking about how nazi safari is on its code. (i say if you can screw up coding on IE, and it still figures out how to display the page properly, that has to be a testiment to the browser's design. but nobody seems to get that. anyway..) it takes me 5 minutes to calm the guy down, and he begins to ignore me completeley as i talk to jay. then i mention to jay how i also didn't make the graphics right for a mac. the guy turns around sharply again and goes off again. 'what do you mean the graphics wouldn't work right on a mac?' i calmly and slowely explain to him that i didn't know enough about clean coding and making graphics for the web to make a sliced up image display its table properly on the different platform.
this is a phenominum i've only ever ecountered with apple users. if you attempt to point out a limitation on their machine they jump all over you. they refuse to listen to anything you say when you might be blatently correct. however if you mention something baout what a PC can't do, its all 'thats because microsoft sucks and its all corporate money grubbing'.
furthermore, they pick a fight with you when you arn't even contrasting the two. in this case i was talking about how i was a young programmer and didn't know enough about the web to make things look good on both machines, and they argued with me it was the equipment i was using.
i have never come across a pc person who out of the blue flies off the handle about their machine. however every single mac user i've met has tried to fight me.
a good friend of mine recently moved from a pc to a mac because of the changes panther brought baout on the apple. he still keeps an open mind about what both can do.
i am a graphic designer.. i think if i can design on a pc, take it to press and have a flawless product without any conmversion of layout, color, or type, then i just might know what i'm talking about. but they never care. professors, friends, my boss at work. they still tell me if i ever want to go anywhere i need to be on a mac. its just bull.
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Reply #22 Sunday, April 18, 2004 3:52 PM
i'm thrilled to hear maro uses both and he prefers the imac.. but in what i do i can't get the job done on the 1100$ ibook (my gf bought it the other day) whilst my 1300$ hp laptop runs a wicked adobe suite with room to spare. as for quality/longevity, macro, haha there is indeed a difference between the 400$ dell and a multi-thousand$ computer.. but even the higher end dells, which we have in our single pc lab at school, are workhorses that will last a long time and didn't cost more than 1.5k a pop. even at that, my 400mhz celeron HP pavilion from '98 is till fiesty as ever..there is no breaking down there so i don't believe longevity is an arguement at all, as long as the person isn't beating on it with a hammer.

Reply #23 Sunday, April 18, 2004 3:57 PM

Reply #24 Sunday, April 18, 2004 5:40 PM
But it seems from my experience [keep in mind, I said MY experience] the opposite *does* occur, more frequently than most would admit.
I'm with DesignCaddy on this. 
Reply #25 Sunday, April 18, 2004 5:59 PM

Reply #26 Sunday, April 18, 2004 6:16 PM

When people use that 3% figure, they don't realize that that is in terms of computers sold that year. Obviously people buy PCs more often than macs because macs last longer. While the avg PC life would be about 2 years, the avg mac life is probably 5 years.

Reply #27 Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:58 PM
| 3% market share, they make up about 20% of the computers that are in use today |
Curious statistic there.....particularly if it has anything to do with the second comment...that a Mac averages 5 years to a PC's 2.
I'm sure these two equations can be solved....and the variables....x Macs and Y PCs will yield an amusing result....
Reply #28 Monday, April 19, 2004 12:00 AM
| as long as the person isn't beating on it with a hammer. |
i won't accept a pc only averages 2 years.. people might want to replace/upgrade them after that time, but sorry, with that hp of mine still kickin and my athlon going on 2 years now without a glitch, and with all the computers i see in my office, as much as they get beat on we still have machines in there going on 4 years. now one of our it guys has an imac he just upgraded to a g3 which was a pretty slick move, and now he's going to try to move it to g4. thats an old machine he's had since 97 or 98. alternatively i just gutted a 486 case and ped in a new athlon 3800, whole new system.
Reply #29 Monday, April 19, 2004 1:18 AM
Reply #30 Monday, April 19, 2004 2:51 AM
Part of the business my Dad-inlaw does is refurbish computers for resale/recycle parts for cash. The computer equipment is donated/tax written-off by various businesses around the state. He determines what's useable and what's recycled and he get paid in computer equipment or a comission on higher ticket items that he acts as a salesperson for, the sale of which pays the payroll of the folks sorting the recycle stuff, unloading/loading trucks, etc. He also refurbishes some product that is then given to elderly people, schools, etc. It's not just computers, it's laser printers, server towers, etc. and the occassional mac.
My point....
He sees quite a few tractor trailer loads of equipment each week and in the current cycle of things, the P2-350 to P3-500 is the era of PC that is being replaced by businesses. I think this puts the average age of what's being replaced a little further out than 2-years. Add to that, because not everyone can afford even a Dell, an extension in life for all the PC's he refurbishes and resells at the computer shows.
And the occassional Mac....about 1 to every 10-15 trailer loads of pc's....not sure how that equates to 20 percent
or even 3 percentReply #31 Monday, April 19, 2004 3:24 AM
| in a new athlon 3800 |
AMD makes them that high now? i thought 3200 was the top - I must be behind on news.
Reply #32 Monday, April 19, 2004 5:24 AM
| the fact that mac users have 3% market share, they make up about 20% of the computers that are in use today When people use that 3% figure, they don't realize that that is in terms of computers sold that year. Obviously people buy PCs more often than macs because macs last longer. While the avg PC life would be about 2 years, the avg mac life is probably 5 years. |
You're not serious, are you Macrobaye? You do realize that what you said there is mathematically impossible? Even if we granted that your underlying estimates of average life are correct, (which I do not), the maximum possible percentage of Macs to all computers in use, given your numbers for market share, would peak at barely over 7%. It doesn't matter whether you do the calculations on a Mac, a PC, or an abacus, it still comes out the same... and nowhere near 20%.
Reply #33 Monday, April 19, 2004 7:43 AM
Funny Macrobaye, but untrue. Macs are in reality 3% of the computers used, not just 3% of the computers sold. Just look at any web site stats. There are more Linux users (about 5%) out there than Mac users.
But what makes me giggle though is that now with OSX, Macs users are actually PC users on an Apple machine. OS X is closer to a PC OS that to any older Mac OS.  Well, normal since OS X is actually a new flavour of the *nix systems.
Anyway, it's hardly worth a fight anymore, because more and more now Mac and PC are getting extremely similar in the way it works, in its stability, in its safety, in its speed and reliability, and in it ease (not) of use. Both Windows and Mac are getting more and more complex, and both can be - and probably are - quite a headache to start learning when you're new to it.  Heck just last week I had to use this Mac at work, and I kept getting windows turning blue and flying in and out of the corner!! At some point I almost screamed "HOW DO I TURN THIS THING OFF?!"  
Anyway, Macs are probably faster indeed than the average PC. But spend the same $6,000 on a PC than you spend on a high end Mac, and you'll get the same high end performance.  At work, all the Mac artists have a $6,000 machine, while I have a modest $1,400 PC. Of course they're faster than me. BUt give me the same money to configure a PC with the parts I want, and man, I'll be cruising just as fast, if not faster.
Reply #34 Monday, April 19, 2004 7:49 AM
So paxx, right? YOU must be kidding me.| But spend the same $6,000 on a PC than you spend on a high end Mac, |
You and I both know this is a rediculous figure. You find me a $6,000 mac and I'll find you a $200 porche. The avg mac price based on performance hovers around the same for the PC. You want a s***box Dell dor $400, go ahead, but it won't be anywhere near as good as a $1000 iMac, $1500 Powerbook, or $1700 Powermac. Nice try tho paxx

Reply #35 Monday, April 19, 2004 8:40 AM
| there was an article in the Register explaining what I just said, the facts, that about 20$ of computers in use and working today are Macs |
Seriously, there was probably also an article somewhere extolling the tastiness of the moon's cheese.....it's hardly reality...

Reply #36 Monday, April 19, 2004 10:04 AM
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sorry konda i typo'd. meant 2800.. they're up to 3400 but its a 64 bit.
Reply #38 Monday, April 19, 2004 11:13 AM

Reply #39 Monday, April 19, 2004 11:18 AM
No its spelled with an N, No its spelled with a Q.
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Reply #21 Sunday, April 18, 2004 2:43 PM
I got harassed by mac users once or 2 times so far.