Ah...so he DOES get emails....that's good to know....now we must convince 'im to read 'em....

Ah...so he DOES get emails....that's good to know....now we must convince 'im to read 'em....

uh oh
as latin4567 scurries to hide under a rock
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I love the title of the e-mail
Your Spam on Wincustomize
it could mean 1 of 4 things:
1. I got busted for having an opinion
2. I actually spamed
3. David K dosn't like hamburgers
4. I spamed with actual pictures of spam (Now thats an idea! )

I want to know if Hormel really thought the word 'in-fectious' was a good word to put on a food product... after seeing your spam photo latin I've been reading about spam at the Hormel website...

Did you know they make a turkey version? I wonder if it's infectious too...

I am not trying to add fuel to the fire but I have been fighting with if God does exist or not since the day I was born. And to some extent I do think God does exist. On the one hand I am still alive witch is a miracle in its self. As a kid growing up in tons of foster homes I was beaten, boiled, burned, hung with a barbed wire fence wire, survived winters in a barns when I was not allowed in the house, and almost rocked to death there are other things that I have never told any one about. I don’t know what to believe if it was a miracle or I am just one stubborn son of a b***h to kill off. And then there is are a few things that make me not believe for example, and maybe a few of you who are Christian in here could probably answer for me. We are to believe in what the bible tells us, and I started questioning this in elementary school the day I was taught the game telephone. We as humans are fallible in the way we choose hear some things and not others how am I to know that God didn’t say some thing else and this guy just wrote what he thought he heard? The other problem I am having is after Kain slew Able and he went to the city of nod were did the people of nod come from and where was the location of the city of nod? Is it not possible that since there were people already in nod that those are the people that evolved like some scientist are saying and that God created Adam and Eve? Could not both be true?

We SHOULD lock this thread - last one got really ugly really quick.

I heard the last one, something about creation vs. evolution did turn bad. I didn't read it, but I believe that as long as folks are expressing opinions and not beating each other over the head and resorting to personal attacks, there is no reason to lock this one.

looks to me like people just expressing their beliefs and disbeliefs, no one's lashed out for any reason except to complain they don't want to read it... easy solution there... dont click on on the link again...

These threads, just like any others are 'monitored'....we'll ensure they do not deteriorate....[or attempt to do so]...

Dream as someone who does believe in God (but is not very obedient) all I can say is the Bible is merely a "tool to guide and assist" some ppl say they use the Bible as a means for God to speak to their hearts, since it's apparently written in the Holy spirit, when read it can mean several diff things to each reader and their particular situation in life anyways that's what I've heard but I don't like to read books though I have tried and still try on occasions to read the Bible but for me it does no good... For me I think I hear God in an un audible way (call me crazy I don't care) hehe

If you want to find God, don't think you will find him just in a Bible or at Churches those are only "Tools" God is everywhere not just in those places... and it's a personal relationship between you and him, so don't expect your relationship to be what anyone else claims it's like for them.

Hi Folks!!!!
Just posted this thread and really wodered to see this huge amount of replies but mostly belong to Junk Group...No reasoning...no theory nothing else....Most of friends here have said no thread like this should be ALLOWED here....I ask them why....just because we are not ready to accept the truth that we have made for some purpose....or for the reason that these are all nonsense for this era....If so why...please prove your reply through reasoning...No Personal likeness or dislikes....here is my point of view:

Take a look around you from where you sit. You will notice that everything in the room is "made": the walls, the upholstery, the ceiling, the chair where you sit, the booklet you hold in your hand, the glass on the table and countless other details. None of them happen to exist in your room of their own accord. Even the simple loops of the carpet were made by someone: they did not appear spontaneously or by chance.

A person who is about to read a book knows that it has been written by an author for a specific reason. It would not even occur to him that this book might have come into being by chance. In the same manner, a person who sees a sculpture has no doubt whatsoever that it was made by a sculptor. And not just works of art: even a few bricks resting on top of one another make one think that they must have been brought to rest just so by someone within a certain plan. Therefore, everywhere where there is an order - either small or big - a founder and protector of this order must also exist. If, one day, somebody came forward and said that raw iron and coal came together to form steel by chance, which in turn constructed the Eiffel Tower again by chance, would not he and those who believed him be regarded as insane?

The claim of the theory of evolution, the unique method of denying the existence of God, is no different from this. According to the theory, lifeless atoms formed amino acids by chance, amino acids formed proteins by chance, and finally proteins formed living creatures again by chance. However, the probability of a living creature being formed by coincidence is less than the probability of the Eiffel Tower being formed in the same manner, because even the simplest living cell is more sophisticated than any man-made structure in the world.

How is it possible to think that the balance in the world came about by coincidence when the extraordinary harmony of nature is observable even with the naked eye? It is the most unreasonable claim to say that the universe, each point of which suggests the existence of its Creator, has come into being on its own.

Therefore, there should be a designer of the balance visible everywhere from our body to the farthest corners of the inconceivably vast universe. So, who is this Creator that ordained everything so subtly and created all?

He cannot be any material being present within the universe, because His must be a will that existed before the universe and created the universe therewith. The Almighty Creator is One in Whom everything finds existence, yet Whose existence is without any beginning or end.

Religion teaches us the identity of our Creator Whose existence we discover with our reason. Through what He has revealed to us as religion, we know that He is God, the Compassionate and the Merciful, Who created the heavens and the earth from nothing.

Although most people have the capability to grasp this fact, they spend their lives unaware of it. When they look at a landscape painting, they wonder who its painter is. Later, they praise the artist at length for his beautiful work of art. Despite the fact that they face numerous originals of the natural world he painted the moment they turn around, they still disregard the existence of God, Who is the only owner of all these beauties. In truth, no lengthy research is needed to understand the existence of God. Even if one of us had to live in a room from the time he was born, countless pieces of evidence in this room alone would be enough for him to grasp the existence of God.

The human body so overflows with evidence that it could not be contained in many multi-volumed encyclopaedias. Giving only a few minutes of conscientious thought to it all is enough to understand the existence of God. The present order is protected by God and maintained by Him.

The human body is not the only food for thought. Life abides in every square millimetre of the earth, be it observable by men or not. The world overflows with many living beings, from unicellular organisms to plants, from insects to sea animals, and from birds to human beings. If you take a handful of soil and look at it, even therein you can discover manifold living creatures with diverse characteristics. The same is true also for the air you breathe. Even on your skin, there are many living creatures whose names are unknown to you. In the intestines of all living beings are millions of bacteria or unicellular organisms that help digestion. The animal population in the world is many times greater than the human population. When we also consider the plant world, we see that there is not a single spot on the earth where there is no life. All of these creatures that are spread over an area of millions of square kilometres have different body systems, different lives and different contributions to the ecological balance. It is preposterous to claim that all these have come into existence by chance with no aim or purpose. No living being has come to exist through its own accord or effort. No coincidental happening can ever result in such complicated systems.

All of this evidence leads us to the conclusion that the universe works with a certain "consciousness". What, then, is the source of this consciousness? Surely it is neither the living nor the non-living beings in it. Nor can they be the ones that maintain the harmony and preserve the order. The existence and glory of God reveals itself in countless proofs in the universe. In fact, there is not even a single man on the earth who will not accept this evident reality from the heart. Yet they still deny it "in iniquity and arrogance, though their souls are convinced thereof" as stated in the Qur'an. (The Qur'an, 27:14)

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One thing I find so sad about this whole thing is how hard it is sometimes for ppl to find God always searching in the tools left for us but then getting so lost by them in the end? fighting and even killing over the "wordings or the ppl" who even "try" or attempt but sometimes fail to explain who God is.

Maybe cuz God is a Holy Spirit which makes it so difficult to show others who he is and there is no perfect way on earth to put him into "words" to satisfy our human nature, since we always have to "see & feel" and God is not something we can touch physically or see? (until we are done and are too a spirit according to common sense and faith) hehe

^^Arkantos^^, what you are saying, that everything is made and that god created us. Do you mean nothing is evolving?

Then answer this question: Who created god?

You can answere that simply by saying "God always existed" but lets be reasonable, if he always existed, why did it took so long before he created us?


Another thing I cant understand:

Some extreme 'believers' are claiming the world isn't older then 6000 year (or something like that...) when you ask them to look at a fosil they claim "God created them".

Yeah sure, like god created something without having a reason for it. The only reason I could come up with why god create the fosil is because he wants us to believe the world is XXXXX years old.
If god is trying to make us believe that, then he is trying to make us believe he dasn't exist.
If that is what he is trying, then what is the point of believing?

Try to answer that question.
I dare you.

Styl why would Arkantos have the answers? he's not God? Only God knows (maybe it's cuz he got lonely after a bazillion years and thought okay today I will make me some company?) hehe?
not one of us has the answers to anything just cuz we "think" we may have a clue that there is a God.

dates and fosils and all that stuff oh boy, here everyone goes off the path of God and begin to chase after stats and proof... (something to satisfy their human nature, when being and thinking in human ways only draws you farther away from God)

As far as I'm concerned the world is only 46 years old, and I can't verify that with great certainty (my memory isn't that good}. I challenge anyone to prove it's older

Fuzzy....I'm 49...so it's at least 49...

I have no evidence of that, only your word, which is as good as any other 'word'

hehe!

well I have "Faith" the world is alil older than that! and also Thank God I don't know that for sures yettt. hehe

Well your mother is living proof
she had to be at least 13 to have you