Patience
Wednesday, February 4, 2004 by RN2004 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Hi
New here. I purchased the whole Object Desktop Suite and have spent 3 happy days oohing and aahhing at this site, marveling at the artistic creativity and technical skill of the core individuals who spend their time making these skins available to the rest of us. Kudos! However, I have noticed one thing. A implied or implicit annoyance at those who ask what would seem to the pros as 'dumb questions'. I have spent hours reading help files and these message boards to find answers to seemingly simple questions i.e. How do I dl these things? Are they self extracting? Do I open or save from the browser or within the actual application etc etc. I have answered some of these thru bits and pieces of others replies. But I need to gently remind the pros that you were new once also.
If I asked you what PCWP stood for, would you know? Probably not. It stands for pulmonary capillary wedge pressure and is a measurement of cardiac hemodynamics measured via flow sensitive catheters and thermistors placed in the heart. Wouldn't be nice of me if I expected you to know that altho to me it is second nature ( I'm a critical care trained R.N.)Just a thought. I do appreciate the knowledge of you pros.Thank you all
New here. I purchased the whole Object Desktop Suite and have spent 3 happy days oohing and aahhing at this site, marveling at the artistic creativity and technical skill of the core individuals who spend their time making these skins available to the rest of us. Kudos! However, I have noticed one thing. A implied or implicit annoyance at those who ask what would seem to the pros as 'dumb questions'. I have spent hours reading help files and these message boards to find answers to seemingly simple questions i.e. How do I dl these things? Are they self extracting? Do I open or save from the browser or within the actual application etc etc. I have answered some of these thru bits and pieces of others replies. But I need to gently remind the pros that you were new once also.
If I asked you what PCWP stood for, would you know? Probably not. It stands for pulmonary capillary wedge pressure and is a measurement of cardiac hemodynamics measured via flow sensitive catheters and thermistors placed in the heart. Wouldn't be nice of me if I expected you to know that altho to me it is second nature ( I'm a critical care trained R.N.)Just a thought. I do appreciate the knowledge of you pros.Thank you all
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MadPyro
Reply #2 Wednesday, February 4, 2004 5:32 PM
Reply #2 Wednesday, February 4, 2004 5:32 PM
Kona is-or should i say was- from oregon and so is RN here, all of us oregonians are sooo brave.
MadPyro dodges quickly as an object flies toward his head
MadPyro dodges quickly as an object flies toward his head
Kevin_C
Reply #3 Wednesday, February 4, 2004 6:27 PM
Reply #3 Wednesday, February 4, 2004 6:27 PM
well, if you're really needing to know how to dl skins here's the trick..
Use the download link below the preview of the skin you want to dl and select save. If the skin is associated with one of the programs you've installed it won't ask you where to save it it'll just do it's thing. In the case of WB you'll get a message that tells you skin X is installed and ready to use and you can select it from your Display Properties->Appearance tab. If it does ask you to save it there are a couple of steps depending on the program you're using. I'll break them down by program:
WB -> if the file extension is .zip change it to .wba then double click the file, this should install it and you can access it via Display Properties->Appearance
IP -> if the file extension is .zip change it to .ip then double click it. This will open up IconPackager and you can apply the theme or just close it.
CX -> if the file extension is .zip change it to .CurXPTheme then double click it. This will apply the theme.
if this doesn't work you might want to open the zip file first and make sure the proper format isn't inside the zip file. It's kind of hit or miss on whether you'll need to rename the file or just extract the zip file and then double click the theme file to install it.
HTH!!
Use the download link below the preview of the skin you want to dl and select save. If the skin is associated with one of the programs you've installed it won't ask you where to save it it'll just do it's thing. In the case of WB you'll get a message that tells you skin X is installed and ready to use and you can select it from your Display Properties->Appearance tab. If it does ask you to save it there are a couple of steps depending on the program you're using. I'll break them down by program:
WB -> if the file extension is .zip change it to .wba then double click the file, this should install it and you can access it via Display Properties->Appearance
IP -> if the file extension is .zip change it to .ip then double click it. This will open up IconPackager and you can apply the theme or just close it.
CX -> if the file extension is .zip change it to .CurXPTheme then double click it. This will apply the theme.
if this doesn't work you might want to open the zip file first and make sure the proper format isn't inside the zip file. It's kind of hit or miss on whether you'll need to rename the file or just extract the zip file and then double click the theme file to install it.
HTH!!
kongit
Reply #4 Wednesday, February 4, 2004 6:29 PM
Reply #4 Wednesday, February 4, 2004 6:29 PM
depending on what you download several different things occur. Normally you will just save the object to a folder or desktop and double click on it and it should install or actually show up. Windowblinds should download automatically and get installed, and if you click on the tray icon that popsup right after you download it it will be applied. for iconpackager themes I have had the best experience with saving them in the iconpackager/themes directory if they are not a zip and if they are a zip unzip them to their own folder (if there isn't already a main on in there) to the iconpackager/themes directory. Thats about it I guess.
If you want more exact help, specifiy what type of file you are trying to download
If you want more exact help, specifiy what type of file you are trying to download
Buck3000
Reply #5 Wednesday, February 4, 2004 8:54 PM
Reply #5 Wednesday, February 4, 2004 8:54 PM
I know what you mean, RN. You can try the newsgroups, I've gotten much better responses there. Although, you seem to have received some good help here today. 
Shameless Designs
Reply #6 Wednesday, February 4, 2004 10:31 PM
Reply #6 Wednesday, February 4, 2004 10:31 PM
RN2004, Your thoughtful, clear, concise, and tactfully-worded message is fair, reasonable, and contains some sound advice. I know I have been guilty on occasion of letting some frustration show in my responses. I'll try to take your message to heart.
In defense of many of the regulars here who give a great deal of their time and energy to answer the questions of the novice and less-experienced, I'd like to point out that a great many of those who post here neither do the research nor put forth the effort to try to figure things out on their own as you have done. If they did, there would be a lot fewer posts and a lot less frustration, irritation, and annoyance.
Having read these boards regularly for six months now, I find it is actually pretty rare for a new member of WC to come up with a question that isn't answered in the manuals that come with the software, or hasn't already been addressed in the FAQ, a sticky thread at the top of the boards, or easily found using the search features here, at Stardock, or even Google.
Finally, many of those who bear the brunt of that irritation you mention bring it upon themselves by their own attitudes. All too often, they don't pose questions so much as rant, rave, or make demands. There is yet another faction who treats these boards as their personal one-stop request line, either not realizing the time and effort required to make the skins they request, or not caring.
If they all were as polite, thoughtful, and willing to put forth the effort as you are, this would be a much nicer and friendly place. I personally think you'll find all the help you want and some very good friends here. Welcome!
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In defense of many of the regulars here who give a great deal of their time and energy to answer the questions of the novice and less-experienced, I'd like to point out that a great many of those who post here neither do the research nor put forth the effort to try to figure things out on their own as you have done. If they did, there would be a lot fewer posts and a lot less frustration, irritation, and annoyance.
Having read these boards regularly for six months now, I find it is actually pretty rare for a new member of WC to come up with a question that isn't answered in the manuals that come with the software, or hasn't already been addressed in the FAQ, a sticky thread at the top of the boards, or easily found using the search features here, at Stardock, or even Google.
Finally, many of those who bear the brunt of that irritation you mention bring it upon themselves by their own attitudes. All too often, they don't pose questions so much as rant, rave, or make demands. There is yet another faction who treats these boards as their personal one-stop request line, either not realizing the time and effort required to make the skins they request, or not caring.
If they all were as polite, thoughtful, and willing to put forth the effort as you are, this would be a much nicer and friendly place. I personally think you'll find all the help you want and some very good friends here. Welcome!
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Sugaree
Reply #7 Wednesday, February 4, 2004 10:37 PM
Reply #7 Wednesday, February 4, 2004 10:37 PM
And I'll add a Amen to that!
Very nicely put, Shameless Designs
Very nicely put, Shameless Designs
Stumpy
Reply #9 Thursday, February 5, 2004 5:06 AM
Reply #9 Thursday, February 5, 2004 5:06 AM
Someone give this young man/lady a subscriptrion, they deserves it
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Kevin_C
Reply #10 Thursday, February 5, 2004 7:59 AM
Reply #10 Thursday, February 5, 2004 7:59 AM
Very well put Shameless Designs! I just hope RN returns to get the help I *think* he was needing. It can be somewhat frustrating having to deal with different skinners uploading their skins in different ways but it's definitely much better here than at other skinning sites.. I remember back in the day having 3 different compression utilities installed just so I could uncompress the files that I downloded from various other skinning sites..
RN, I'm sure we'd all be more than happy to help you out with anything you may need! Just ask!
RN, I'm sure we'd all be more than happy to help you out with anything you may need! Just ask!
DesignCaddy
Reply #11 Thursday, February 5, 2004 11:34 AM
Reply #11 Thursday, February 5, 2004 11:34 AM
i found it funny that the people who didnt actually read his post, answered the so called 'dumb questions' that he was not even posing.
paxx
Reply #12 Thursday, February 5, 2004 2:03 PM
Reply #12 Thursday, February 5, 2004 2:03 PM
Nice post GN, however you can probably understand how annoying it can be to be asked the same question over and over when those question are often answered through a quick reading. Some people don't want to take the time to look through things, they want and answer here and now. And that's the annoying part.
BTW: you probably could have saved yourself a lot of time searching through this messageboard if you would have just clicked on the very first post at the top titled Frequently Asked Questions.
Kevin_C
Reply #13 Thursday, February 5, 2004 2:45 PM
If you're implying that I didn't read his post you a simply wrong! I did read the post and I provided info that I thought would help. Don't go around ASSuming things you don't know to be true. >
Reply #13 Thursday, February 5, 2004 2:45 PM
| i found it funny that the people who didnt actually read his post, answered the so called 'dumb questions' that he was not even posing. |
If you're implying that I didn't read his post you a simply wrong! I did read the post and I provided info that I thought would help. Don't go around ASSuming things you don't know to be true. >
SelfExiled
Reply #14 Thursday, February 5, 2004 4:30 PM
Reply #14 Thursday, February 5, 2004 4:30 PM
Just right click the download button in the web browser, and save the file to your desktop. Once the file is saved, double click it to install. It should be that easy. If there is a problem, then it is a problem with a specific skin. Mention any problems with a specific skin and post here. Also, if such a problem exists, the artist would probably like to know about it. Welcome aboard.
RN2004
Reply #16 Thursday, February 5, 2004 11:17 PM
Reply #16 Thursday, February 5, 2004 11:17 PM
Hello all
I just got off a 14 hr shift and got to my puter to read the replies. Thank You f0r3 . Your simple reply really clarified some stuff for me. yes I did read many of the FAQs first, dl the PDF file [all 119 pages ] and read through that just trying to understand the terminology etc. Actually I have never even been on a message board like this [talk about a newbie ! ] But I do spend enormous amounts of time on my puter working on a research and writing project so customizing this little digital screen became important to me. I agree that being asked the same questions over and over again can be annoying. And that being rude, ranting or just being dense is no way to gain friends or get help.Just a thought but perhaps someone could post a little 'how to-step by step' for the most basic operations-sort of a foundation for getting into this.Like you were explaining it to a small child.I have the creativity I just need to know how to get the crayons out of the box. I think you are all very kind and have given me some very precise and useful information and I thank you
I just got off a 14 hr shift and got to my puter to read the replies. Thank You f0r3 . Your simple reply really clarified some stuff for me. yes I did read many of the FAQs first, dl the PDF file [all 119 pages ] and read through that just trying to understand the terminology etc. Actually I have never even been on a message board like this [talk about a newbie ! ] But I do spend enormous amounts of time on my puter working on a research and writing project so customizing this little digital screen became important to me. I agree that being asked the same questions over and over again can be annoying. And that being rude, ranting or just being dense is no way to gain friends or get help.Just a thought but perhaps someone could post a little 'how to-step by step' for the most basic operations-sort of a foundation for getting into this.Like you were explaining it to a small child.I have the creativity I just need to know how to get the crayons out of the box. I think you are all very kind and have given me some very precise and useful information and I thank you
RN2004
Reply #17 Thursday, February 5, 2004 11:18 PM
Reply #17 Thursday, February 5, 2004 11:18 PM
oops
Btw the way I am a she not a he and have the five kids to prove it he he
Btw the way I am a she not a he and have the five kids to prove it he he
Kevin_C
Reply #18 Friday, February 6, 2004 8:04 AM
Reply #18 Friday, February 6, 2004 8:04 AM
Glad I could help Lauren! If you need any more help feel free to ask. Hope you are getting your digital world customized to your liking!!
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DesignCaddy
Reply #19 Friday, February 6, 2004 10:00 PM
my bad, for3. there was no question posed in this thread, it was an fyi. i figured responses would be in the other thread where they were actually posed, naturally i took the answers here to be out of context. i see it all too often everywhere else
Reply #19 Friday, February 6, 2004 10:00 PM
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my bad, for3. there was no question posed in this thread, it was an fyi. i figured responses would be in the other thread where they were actually posed, naturally i took the answers here to be out of context. i see it all too often everywhere else
wulfn1
Reply #20 Friday, February 6, 2004 10:13 PM
Reply #20 Friday, February 6, 2004 10:13 PM
Welcome Aboard RN! Nice to see new faces!! Don't be a stranger on stardock central chat!! Will watch for you in #stardock.
hey you wouldn't be opposed to dropping a line and spiking a coffee iv would you?(miss those since fire-ems.net shut down!)
hey you wouldn't be opposed to dropping a line and spiking a coffee iv would you?(miss those since fire-ems.net shut down!)
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Reply #1 Wednesday, February 4, 2004 5:30 PM
good job RN2004, i couldnt have said it better myself