I guess we are going back to the Moon....
Friday, January 9, 2004 by kona0197 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
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IPlural
Reply #23 Friday, January 9, 2004 7:44 PM
IPlural without quotes and white space, forward slash me
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Reply #23 Friday, January 9, 2004 7:44 PM
IPlural without quotes and white space, forward slash me
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Fuzzy Logic
Reply #24 Friday, January 9, 2004 8:52 PM
Reply #24 Friday, January 9, 2004 8:52 PM
Of course we should go to the moon. I don't care how much it costs. A one way ticket for Bush is worth every penny...
eieio
Reply #26 Friday, January 9, 2004 9:19 PM
Yeah, I got your comparison. That was just my way of steering the thread back to topic rather than becoming the 'government slashing programs' thread.
Reply #26 Friday, January 9, 2004 9:19 PM
| Actually, I wasn't commenting on the Financial cost of Space Exploration, but wondering where people who will be pushed out of the medical care system, and shelters, will go if Arnold gets his way? |
Yeah, I got your comparison. That was just my way of steering the thread back to topic rather than becoming the 'government slashing programs' thread.
craeonics
Reply #27 Saturday, January 10, 2004 9:00 AM
Reply #27 Saturday, January 10, 2004 9:00 AM
Back on topic: if they are planning serious space trips, it should be done in steps. First permanent space stations orbiting the earth, then some orbiting the moon, stations on the moon's surface and only after that, stations on othe planets.
bakerstreet
Reply #28 Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:11 AM
Reply #28 Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:11 AM
I think it will happen because it *is* happening... at least for the Chinese. Strategically we can't have them more comfortable in space than we. They announced the same goals that Bush is said to be announcing a year or more ago.
If you think about it almost every major "wow" weapon we have relies upon satellite orientation. If those satellites are 'touchable', then we have a large gap to fill. I have seen reports that state with complete assurance that the next conflict between first-world countries will include some sort of attack or exchange in space.
As for why it is a good investment, space programs spawn immense innovation. We didn't just get Tang. Every time we find a new problem to overcome in space, that solution is available to us on earth for other purposes. It could be debated that materials research would be decades behind if it weren't for the US space program. So, I think it is not only a great thing to do, but necessary.
I have always wondered about them 'beaming' gathered energy back down to us on earth. It would be one of the few 'mining' efforts that wouldn't require the logistical nightmare of physically bringing the material back. I need to read up on the microwave transfer stuff.
If you think about it almost every major "wow" weapon we have relies upon satellite orientation. If those satellites are 'touchable', then we have a large gap to fill. I have seen reports that state with complete assurance that the next conflict between first-world countries will include some sort of attack or exchange in space.
As for why it is a good investment, space programs spawn immense innovation. We didn't just get Tang. Every time we find a new problem to overcome in space, that solution is available to us on earth for other purposes. It could be debated that materials research would be decades behind if it weren't for the US space program. So, I think it is not only a great thing to do, but necessary.
I have always wondered about them 'beaming' gathered energy back down to us on earth. It would be one of the few 'mining' efforts that wouldn't require the logistical nightmare of physically bringing the material back. I need to read up on the microwave transfer stuff.
IPlural
Reply #29 Saturday, January 10, 2004 2:47 PM
Reply #29 Saturday, January 10, 2004 2:47 PM
"wow" weapons aside, what about Global Communications and everything that depends upon it, or GPS...
Travel, Shipping, Rescue, Weather hell the Global economy would falter for an extremely long time and fall hard enough I question if it would be able to get back up without those who hold control of the Sat's did not allow it.
Technological Hostages, a whole freaking planet... ( might seem a bit extreme, but if you really go through the lists, it would be the way to hold the world at a stand still if even for only a short period of time such as a few months up to whenever people could take back control, if they ever could )
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Well if you think about positioning Mirrors, Collectors and Beam Space side which would stay in Sun light 24/7 none stop and Collectors planet side as a first step. Power would be a moot issue once it was achieved, naturally it would evolve and other sources would come about. But that is something that they should be able to do and only funding and time would really be the issue. Of course the Energy Industries would throw a fit and hold it up forever and a day because they would want, no, demand to sap the planet of as much Oil and Coal as they could before their profits from the plants and such were cut off.
but, mmm, yeah it is an interesting and thought provoking subject which spawns many others
Travel, Shipping, Rescue, Weather hell the Global economy would falter for an extremely long time and fall hard enough I question if it would be able to get back up without those who hold control of the Sat's did not allow it.
Technological Hostages, a whole freaking planet... ( might seem a bit extreme, but if you really go through the lists, it would be the way to hold the world at a stand still if even for only a short period of time such as a few months up to whenever people could take back control, if they ever could )
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Well if you think about positioning Mirrors, Collectors and Beam Space side which would stay in Sun light 24/7 none stop and Collectors planet side as a first step. Power would be a moot issue once it was achieved, naturally it would evolve and other sources would come about. But that is something that they should be able to do and only funding and time would really be the issue. Of course the Energy Industries would throw a fit and hold it up forever and a day because they would want, no, demand to sap the planet of as much Oil and Coal as they could before their profits from the plants and such were cut off.
but, mmm, yeah it is an interesting and thought provoking subject which spawns many others
kongit
Reply #30 Saturday, January 10, 2004 3:00 PM
Reply #30 Saturday, January 10, 2004 3:00 PM
my concern is that the beaming of power might have disasterous side effects. Remember the bond movie diamonds are forever where the evil guy made a satalite to beem sun sown to earth to cause destruction. Most likely there would never be a person that would do such a thing single handedly, but there is the risk of some malfunction and the beam of power goes off course.
bakerstreet
Reply #31 Saturday, January 10, 2004 6:56 PM
Reply #31 Saturday, January 10, 2004 6:56 PM
There have been concepts available for some time for putting a huge solar array on the day-side of the moon, and then sending the energy back down in the form of a microwave 'beam', but the thought is scary.
If I am not mistaken that is what used to get loose on me during Sim City 2000 and cut huge swaths through my city.
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Attacking satillites is a really scary thing. I forget what they effect is called, but at the moment there are enough orbiting objects that if one were to splinter, slamming into another, it could cause a chain reaction. The resulting billiard game would leave such a 'shell' of debris that it would take untold effort to get back out into space again.
If anyone did start busting satillites for fun or profit, they'd have to just tip them into the atmosphere, and not explode them. Kind of scary, though, considering how much now depends on them. I have a feeling that is why the EU is so interested in having their own.
If I am not mistaken that is what used to get loose on me during Sim City 2000 and cut huge swaths through my city.
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Attacking satillites is a really scary thing. I forget what they effect is called, but at the moment there are enough orbiting objects that if one were to splinter, slamming into another, it could cause a chain reaction. The resulting billiard game would leave such a 'shell' of debris that it would take untold effort to get back out into space again.
If anyone did start busting satillites for fun or profit, they'd have to just tip them into the atmosphere, and not explode them. Kind of scary, though, considering how much now depends on them. I have a feeling that is why the EU is so interested in having their own.
Essencay
Reply #32 Saturday, January 10, 2004 8:23 PM
Reply #32 Saturday, January 10, 2004 8:23 PM
Does anyone know how much orbiting junk there is? Don't know the numbers, but I read somewhere that it was a lot.
kongit
Reply #33 Saturday, January 10, 2004 8:33 PM
Reply #33 Saturday, January 10, 2004 8:33 PM
all i know is that its a lot more now then it was a hundred years ago 
XX
Reply #34 Saturday, January 10, 2004 8:37 PM
There's no such as 'day side' on moon. It has its own day/night time same as earth. It's MUCH slower, however. The array would have to be movable, or You plant solar arrays all way around the moon.
Reply #34 Saturday, January 10, 2004 8:37 PM
| huge solar array on the day-side of the moon |
There's no such as 'day side' on moon. It has its own day/night time same as earth. It's MUCH slower, however. The array would have to be movable, or You plant solar arrays all way around the moon.
kongit
Reply #35 Saturday, January 10, 2004 9:04 PM
Reply #35 Saturday, January 10, 2004 9:04 PM
what I think he meant was put the arrays on the side of the moon that faces earth. the moon doesn't spin around its axis so one side of the moon is always facing earth. if you give the arrays the ability to change their angle they could focus the suns power to earth most of the time. the exception would come when the moon is between the earth and sun.
kona0197
Reply #36 Saturday, January 10, 2004 9:21 PM
much faster you mean. the moon turns like 2 or 3 times for every one earth revolution I think.
Reply #36 Saturday, January 10, 2004 9:21 PM
| There's no such as 'day side' on moon. It has its own day/night time same as earth. It's MUCH slower, however |
much faster you mean. the moon turns like 2 or 3 times for every one earth revolution I think.
bakerstreet
Reply #37 Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:04 PM
Reply #37 Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:04 PM
Nah, it is my understanding that while the moon rotates, it does so at a rate that it always presents the same "face" to a particular position on the earth. Sure, if the US had an array it wouldn't be able to beam energy to, say, Bulgaria, but once it returned over our heads the array would be rotated back into position. By "dark" or "night" side, people mean the side that you won't be able to see at a partular spot in the world.
Here's a description: http://www.jimloy.com/astro/moon4.htm
Kona: nope, I think a lunar day is something like 27 days.
It's confusing. If anyone has contrary material pipe up.
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Here's a description: http://www.jimloy.com/astro/moon4.htm
Kona: nope, I think a lunar day is something like 27 days.
It's confusing. If anyone has contrary material pipe up.
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XX
Reply #39 Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:16 PM
Reply #39 Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:16 PM
Moonn's rotation as viewed from earth is zero, I agree, which is useful for beaming down power to earth. Solar collectors would recive power only once a while, however, unless either array exends all way around moon, or the collectors is movable.
HMM oh yeah earth's face DOES rotate when you're standing on moon and watching earth.
I guess only possible way to beam power would be once a while, when station on earth is within view. Of course, when it's at edge, power beam would be getting trough a lot of air. Air can also deflect a little, depending on what type of power it is.
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HMM oh yeah earth's face DOES rotate when you're standing on moon and watching earth.
I guess only possible way to beam power would be once a while, when station on earth is within view. Of course, when it's at edge, power beam would be getting trough a lot of air. Air can also deflect a little, depending on what type of power it is.
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wombat_1
Reply #40 Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:41 PM
Reply #40 Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:41 PM
If there is any 'Military' value in a Moonbase it will happen, no argument.
As for 'Peaceful' reasons .... not unless the private sector funds the project.
The Chinese 'Space Program', that will certainly give the black powder industry a boost, time to invest methinks ...... and I wouldn't like to be the poor sucker who has to 'light blue touch paper and stand well clear'!
As for 'Peaceful' reasons .... not unless the private sector funds the project.
The Chinese 'Space Program', that will certainly give the black powder industry a boost, time to invest methinks ...... and I wouldn't like to be the poor sucker who has to 'light blue touch paper and stand well clear'!
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Reply #21 Friday, January 9, 2004 7:34 PM
I don't think I'll comment further as this is a family site.
The sellers of Crack, Smack and Meth Amph would certainly receive a boost!
Seriously, how can a cretin like Arnie be so totally stupid (hmmmm .... I guess I answered that one myself!) as to consider slashing a health system that is so bad in the first place. >
Capping charges for millionaire 'Cosmetic Surgeons' would be a good start, redirecting money into general 'affordable' clinics would be another.
And 10,000 Lawyers chained to the bottom of the Pacific would be a GREAT way to save money.
Wombat retires to consider what a good country he lives in .... warts and all Australia is pretty damn good!
Wombat just realises he's forgotten how to type in red .... bugger!
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