That'd be a guy called Jafo....

Have you heard the term 'filter frenzy'?....

It would also be a guy called BoXXi... and several others too.

It was also a guy named yrag... ....and I have no authority at all

I guess I'm hoping whoever rejected my most recent submission would e-mail me so we can re-discuss wallpaper guidelines etc.. Thanks.

I know you probably don't remember which one you [whoever] rejected, so I can send via e-mail a sample version.

I'm just confused.


thanks

we did used to send out rejection e-mails explaining why we moderated an image, but the amount of hate mail we got made it pointless carrying on. You just have to deal with it, lots of other people also get moderated on a daily basis and never complain at all. Everyone thinks their efforts are the best around, but if you get moderated, just try to learn from it and try to improve. I also think it would be unfair to enter into an e-mail dialogue with you, it would be unfair to the people who just accepted their moderation, and, we don't do moderation e-mails anymore.

Might have been a guy called Koasati also........

wasn't me.

Well, if you must be uncompromising then so be it: but I do not believe my work is better than anyones.

Besides, I *am* accepting the moderation, but I was hoping for the e-mail responses to avoid actually saying the name of the wallpapers in question.

just to clarify the moderation situation for you: When a wall is uploaded, it goes into a holding area that is only visible to admins. Most of us will look at the submissions and leave a comment saying why we like or dislike an image. When there is a general concensus of opinion, the last moderator to view it will make a decision based on all the comments left by the other admins, and either post the image to the public site, or send it to a different holding area for rejected items. So, just to clarify, one person is not rejecting your work, it is the concensus of quite a few very experienced people from the graphics community. If your work is not getting past moderation, maybe you should look closer at your work and how you produce it.

I noticed that you already have eleven wallpapers that have made it past moderation. That is pretty good going for such a new member, and would not have happened had we not relaxed our moderation a few months ago. And, it doesn't mean that everything you make will get on to the site. When I first started out, I got moderated so many times I almost gave up, but I like to think that in the long run it made me better at what I do.

I hope this clears up a few things for you.

I don't think we are uncompromising, just realistic. You have arrived at a time when there has just been major changes made to the way we do things, which is in direct response to the way people behaved towards us, and, as a result of much input from users of the site. Unfortunately, you can't please all of the people all of the time, so, we compromised on the way we do things. As I said, people would whine and moan when they got moderated, many times to the point of abusing the moderators and even making death threats! (crazy eh?) Then as a compromise, we relaxed moderation standards quite a lot, to give newer artists more chance of getting their stuff on here, which is why I suspect you already have eleven walls on WinCusto. You can't have it all ways I'm afraid.

I think moderation should take a slightly different approach. I know I am relatively new here (since about september or october of 2003...woot! its 2004!) so I lack experience here, but I feel that I have the intellectual capacity to at least try to make some valid suggestions. I think moderation should be chosen like it is...by a select group of individuals very experienced in the field of skinning and long time members here...but sometimes I have to wonder at why some things are allowed to be added to the library. I haven't had a single thing rejected yet, and that makes me wonder a little. It is granted that I haven't uploaded anything thats particularly bad (at least to my tastes) or in a catagory that has strict moderation. Also I haven't uploaded that many things: I have 11 uploaded and accepted. However I stray from my stated topic.

I think that moderation should be stricter and looser. Particularly in the catagories that have the most skins it needs to be stricter. Lately a few icons for objectdock have slipped through that I wonder about, and some walls just aren't that good. I think the hardest part is opinion. All of the admins have their own opinions about what they like and dislike, and that is understandable and expected. But should only peoples opinions matter at what is uploaded. I know that this might not be the case as I have nothing to do with things being excepted, but still from what I have heard over my time here that that is the generally accepted method. I was wondering what the guidelines and rules that admins follow to accept skins the otherday and I came up with quite a few that I think should be followed. Again I don't know if these are followed as I have never fully read the faqs here (I'm lazy). Here they go:
1) First and formost is if the material is acceptable content to the site. The main exclusions are nudity, extreme sexual inferences, drug, or alcohol related, and other non-family oriented content.
2) Is the material a rip of somebody elses hard work. Mostly I see these in the objectdock section. I personally don't mind it as long as they provide a comment stating it isn't their own image/idea. Kona is a good example of the right way to do this.
3) Is the work complete. This really needs no explanation. And I have seen uncomplete works uploaded with no intent to finish. A demo is understandable as long as it hints to something very good. I don't want to see a demo of something not worth downloading.
4) Is the material good. This point is what is the most biased. I myself have strict opinions as to what is good and bad. Many things uploaded here I personally don't consider good work, but I can understand the hard work put into it, and can usually see if others could like it.
5) The experience of the author. If the author is a very experienced skinner I think harsher guidelines should be applied. While the work might be considered better than average it is simply underpar with the rest of their work. However if an inexperienced skinner posts the a work of about the same level as above it should be accepted because the newer skinners need encouragement and many of the comments might help them to make a better skin next time.
6) For wallpapers only. If a wallpaper looks good it doesn't mean its a good wallpaper. Several other factors need to be considered like its usability, originality, and personality. Some things just aren't meant to be wallpapers. Also scenery needs even stricter moderation. There is just too much of it. I can take pictures that look better then most of it. Its not hard to do. I understand the time it takes to make some of the landscapes in a 3d program, but I personally would never use one as a wallpaper when I could have a better looking photograph in its place.

I am tired of writing this post. Please accept my apologies for its length. I hope at least a few good ideas are in it.

There are precious few walls in the Wincustomize.com Wall Library with lens flares.  They tend to detract from most [not all] images and are often a clear indicator of a 'I-just-got-Photoshop-and-look-what-I-can-do' artist, similar to the famous Bryce equivalent 'I-can-do-penguins-and-palm-trees-in-a-sunset'.

Long ago on Skinz.org there was a list of the 'no-no's of digital wall creation, which were exemplified with my 'Trapped In Bryceworld' parody [though even then a few were left out, but I did get the lens flare].

What DOES pass moderation is hopefully a little more diverse than even a few people's personal tastes, but will not be 'virtually everything' as no-one really wants Wincustomize.com to be JUST yet another Wall site, not when its primary being is in fact 'Skins and skinning'....

Travis....most [not all] skin submissions are moderation-free, only checked for acceptable content and/or rips [as well as possible].

The prime areas for greater 'moderation' are all wall-based....walls [obviously], logons, and bootskins.

Why?

Because every man and his dog believes himself Artiste el-supremo and will submit any/everything in the guise that its his, ergo it is good.

So many are not at all, but actually belong to someone else, but, eg, in the case of bootskins they're now 4 bit colour and claimed as theirs when in reality they are neither theirs nor are they anything more than a poor quality picture....not a skin in any sense of the word.

Every computer user has an image making proggy, every single one of them....even if it's 'only' MSPaint, and were they all to upload everything they did under the guise of contributing to a skinning site, Wincustomize would soon be Deviantart Mk 2 [only bigger].

Well, no it wouldn't.  It'd shut down well before then as it would mean we'd lost our way...

I like the walls here. They are better than almost any other site. I hope it stays that way. The selection is more mature and doesn't include very much anime or scantily clad women like most of the other sites. However I wish there were more pink dolphins...Just kidding

Again just my thoughts. I am bored and can't go to sleep. Got nothing better to do then think. its 3 in the morning were I am

and my spelling has abandoned me

Pink dolphin for you....

and

3 lens flares....

5 different fonts....

swirlies....

default filters....

Britney's boobs....

Bryce point and click gee-wizz wow....

and many more...

......[but I did forget the Chinese characters giving Oriental mystery and mystique, sorry]...

now thats what I'm talking about. and I don't need mystique if I can see britney's boobs.

Is the material a rip of somebody elses hard work. Mostly I see these in the objectdock section. I personally don't mind it as long as they provide a comment stating it isn't their own image/idea. Kona is a good example of the right way to do this.

Thanks for mentioning me. I feel honored.

I thought you went to bed.