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Tuesday, December 23, 2003 by Oldrockr42 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
do i take it from the recent poll "how much would you pay for" that you are considering charging extra for skins? I for one am not repeat not after paying Stardock for object desktop then wincustomise thier subscription going to pay a further subscription i would vote with my feet. this lemon is not getting sqeezed further. >
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Aleatoric
Reply #2 Tuesday, December 23, 2003 2:43 PM
Reply #2 Tuesday, December 23, 2003 2:43 PM
I tend to prefer to buy a skin (or suite) one at at time or in a small 'skin pack' type of distribution, rather than buying a mass set. I prefer to have the option to buy what I like. Even so, I'll tend to spend about what's in the poll choices in a year, anyway, so even if I didn't like half of what was offered, it would still probably be a pretty good deal.
As for raising the price of OD or WC, I don't have a fundamental problem with that, but I think I'd rather see the option to buy or not by a skin (or suite, or pack) separately so as not to alienate the subscribers who may not want to buy a premium skin.
As for raising the price of OD or WC, I don't have a fundamental problem with that, but I think I'd rather see the option to buy or not by a skin (or suite, or pack) separately so as not to alienate the subscribers who may not want to buy a premium skin.
Oldrockr42
Reply #3 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 3:48 PM
Reply #3 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 3:48 PM
Thank god other people feel as me i am not averse to purchasing premium suites if i like them and i believe i already show my support i just feel people should be given the choice.the only skin i've really used a lot of the various pieces is Tiggz GT2 and even then only windowblinds,cursor xp,wallpaper and iconpack. hope my point of view helps .... Oh Merry Christmas to all and a very groggy new year! 
kona0197
Reply #4 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 3:53 PM
Reply #4 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 3:53 PM
nightprowler - don't count your chickens before then hatch. The poll is not over yet. 
Weaksid
Reply #5 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 4:30 PM
Reply #5 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 4:30 PM
In my opinion, the 200+ package wouldn't be a bad deal as long as it wasn't really high. Plus it would only be the best of the best and probably be open to those that are in best quality. It would bring some extra profit back to the company from all this bull crap that is going on and it would give back to the community.
The fact about this is, the people that I know that would make on the list for the "package" would still make skins and stuff for free. The reason being is, they love doing this. If they go to full profit then they were only out for money in the long run. I seriously don't see the problem getting paid a little for the hard work they put into the skins.
This would also could be a incentive for those that would like to get in the package to try harder to get better. It's like the wallpaper section (ok, used to be the wallpaper section), for many if it didn't get accepted then you tried harder and longer to come up with a much better wallpaper. After a while of getting rejected, you got accepted and then you feel better because you created something really amazing compared to your first entry.
Weaksid thinks this is enough for now.
| Although if stardock releases 200+ individual pieces I wonder how that would effect the "for free" skinners? Would more of them turn to for profit and contract with stardock? |
The fact about this is, the people that I know that would make on the list for the "package" would still make skins and stuff for free. The reason being is, they love doing this. If they go to full profit then they were only out for money in the long run. I seriously don't see the problem getting paid a little for the hard work they put into the skins.
This would also could be a incentive for those that would like to get in the package to try harder to get better. It's like the wallpaper section (ok, used to be the wallpaper section), for many if it didn't get accepted then you tried harder and longer to come up with a much better wallpaper. After a while of getting rejected, you got accepted and then you feel better because you created something really amazing compared to your first entry.
Weaksid thinks this is enough for now.
ALMonty
Reply #7 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 5:19 PM
Reply #7 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 5:19 PM
I'm all for it. I chose $49.95 I'll pay that. For the time and effort these skinners put into their work it's well worth it.
Frogboy
Reply #8 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 5:31 PM
Reply #8 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 5:31 PM
We are considering putting together a system in which skin authors who had released enough FREE skins oover time could submit skins to the site that would only be available to those who had subscriptions. Skin authors would then get a piece of the subscription revenue.
Most skins would remain free, but this would allow skin authors to start getting something back and a way for the site to pay for itself.
Most skins would remain free, but this would allow skin authors to start getting something back and a way for the site to pay for itself.
White_Moth
Reply #10 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 5:39 PM
Reply #10 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 5:39 PM
Now that sounds like a real workable plan, it solves many of the issues at hand. 
WOM
Reply #11 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 6:08 PM
Reply #11 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 6:08 PM
WOM is wondering out load.
If there are 100-200 skins and there are 10,000+ subscribers and they download all the skins, what are the skin authors going to get, a penny per download?
If its anything more than that, it would be hard for the site to pay for its self.
But
WOM is on the outside looking in.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
If there are 100-200 skins and there are 10,000+ subscribers and they download all the skins, what are the skin authors going to get, a penny per download?
If its anything more than that, it would be hard for the site to pay for its self.
But
WOM is on the outside looking in.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
elvee
Reply #12 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:06 PM
Reply #12 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:06 PM
I voted for $29.95, I think it is great that these talented artist could in fact get a little extra for their hard work. 
Frogboy
Reply #13 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:10 PM
Reply #13 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:10 PM
The main limitation would be that the # of skin authors would be limited (i.e. not just any skin author could do this, they would have to become master access or higher first).
Secondly, there would be a limit on the # of premium skins per month. It would be a fairly high limit but enough of one so that people wouldn't just download every skin out there. We want some way so taht the user is choosing particular skins.
The payments to skin authors would be based on a ratio of downloads X a "complexity" rating we would assign (i.e. so we could allow somethign relatively simple but not have it count as much as say a full blown suite or something).
Secondly, there would be a limit on the # of premium skins per month. It would be a fairly high limit but enough of one so that people wouldn't just download every skin out there. We want some way so taht the user is choosing particular skins.
The payments to skin authors would be based on a ratio of downloads X a "complexity" rating we would assign (i.e. so we could allow somethign relatively simple but not have it count as much as say a full blown suite or something).
elvee
Reply #14 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:39 PM
Reply #14 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:39 PM
Only Master or higher? Thats a very small pool of people don't you think? There are plenty of excellent Journeymen (And Journeymissus )Out there that are certaintly skilled and make work worthy of Premium stuff, In my opinion Brad, The cutoff should be at Journeyman or above.
)Out there that are certaintly skilled and make work worthy of Premium stuff, In my opinion Brad, The cutoff should be at Journeyman or above.
Frogboy
Reply #15 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:33 PM
Reply #15 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:33 PM
Elvee: What we would do is start promoting more people to be Master.
I.e. there would be a reason to promote people to Master (right onw it's just prestige).
IPlural
Reply #16 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:43 PM
Reply #16 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:43 PM
based on merit and not just numbers I assume?
I voted same same elvee
I voted same same elvee
elvee
Reply #17 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:58 PM
Reply #17 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:58 PM
hmmm...well based on the talent I see out there, looks like The Master group is going to get quite crowded
Hey IP! How ya doing?
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Hey IP! How ya doing?
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IPlural
Reply #18 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 11:18 PM
Reply #18 Wednesday, December 24, 2003 11:18 PM
alive and kicking so far
After new years the docotr gets to see if he can change that at all
After new years the docotr gets to see if he can change that at all
Frogboy
Reply #19 Thursday, December 25, 2003 1:12 AM
Reply #19 Thursday, December 25, 2003 1:12 AM
Next year we'd like to see WinCustomize become it's own independent company from Stardock. But for that to happen, it needs to be able to pay for itself.
kona0197
Reply #20 Thursday, December 25, 2003 1:21 AM
probably never happen. To many stardock products represented here.
Reply #20 Thursday, December 25, 2003 1:21 AM
| Next year we'd like to see WinCustomize become it's own independent company from Stardock. But for that to happen, it needs to be able to pay for itself. |
probably never happen. To many stardock products represented here.
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Reply #1 Tuesday, December 23, 2003 2:27 PM
I believe that this would be "premium" Skins IE ones made by either stardock or one of the For profit skinning outfits. NOT to download skins from Wincusto.
Although if stardock releases 200+ individual pieces I wonder how that would effect the "for free" skinners? Would more of them turn to for profit and contract with stardock?
To maintain the community there has to be more free than pay skins. I hate to see the community turn to all for profit.
Again I'll suggest raising the price of all or part of the OD stuff slightly to compensate for stardock hiring some skinners to produce premium suites that would be distributed for free(in a sense). I can spend the money in renewal easier than another seperate charge.