Grading, Rating and Wallpapers that suck!!
Monday, December 15, 2003 by Alpado1 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I am sorry to inform you'll that whoever selects and rates certain backgrounds that really should have been rejected because they appeared to be unfinished, pulled out of their butt holes or not very well thought out or put together, and posted them instead for all to see should be fired! I have never seen such poor and sloppy work as I have here. Mind you, I don't speak for them all, just certain ones which appear to be almost close to half of what is on this board. It seems that anything is acceptable and people who are making them are just not putting anything into making a good quality background that is appealing and catches ones eye. It seems that they just make some sort of design, stick a name on it that is pulled out of a hat and then they send it in! Amazing gall! I have never made one myself but I do know quality and I think I could do better with both eyes closed and one arm tied behind my back!! Also, I think that those who have earned a 5 or less than a rating of 5 and who also haven't had more than 1500 downloads (even after two years!!) should be taken off the board and removed permanantly. Why take up space on this site for nothing? Give space to those who honestly have good to excellent background pictures!
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Leo the Lion
Reply #3 Monday, December 15, 2003 9:15 PM
Reply #3 Monday, December 15, 2003 9:15 PM
I think i will sit this one out, if you d'ont mind. 
Jafo
Reply #4 Monday, December 15, 2003 9:22 PM
Reply #4 Monday, December 15, 2003 9:22 PM
There you go....two and a half years, approx half of your '1500'...but if you can draw by hand to an equivalent standard maybe I'll listen.
Until then I'd image you'll be the target of rebuke from a lot of slighted artists who provide these works for others.
Alpado1
Reply #5 Monday, December 15, 2003 10:11 PM
Reply #5 Monday, December 15, 2003 10:11 PM
Jafo: You are one of the better artists on this board and I am sorry if you felt insulted by my post. I do admit that I could never draw anything as well done as your red car. I was not referring to your type of backgrounds at all. I am referring to people who just put some sort of wild, bright streaking or blob or some such nonsense on and then name it something that makes no sense just like their background. I enjoy things that have a proper picture, that are identifiable from looking at them or the name is well chosen for what the picture says. I do see a lack of nature and animals in backgrounds here but there are a lot of other good ones out there and you know who you are. Cute things with nice colors are good too! Sorry if I insulted those who are worthy on here. Please do keep up your good work. Wake up call for those who suck though! 
Jafo
Reply #6 Monday, December 15, 2003 10:21 PM
Reply #6 Monday, December 15, 2003 10:21 PM
'Those who suck' is still both subjective and an insult, however anonymous [untargetted] it may appear.
In reality, the wallpaper section is for wallpapers, not images such as mine.....but I use mine as a low-download example and because my 'finger-pointing' should be NOT at any other person's work but my own.
What you see in the wall section 'may' seem crappy to you, but it's only your opinion and not that of everyone.
If there were no moderation at all you would have seen just today an ample-breasted chick-wall probably created by a 13 year old, a few more blue swirlies and a couple of photographs that were violations of copyright...and 'many more' that made it as far as the cutting room floor.
Although the 'successes' may not appeal to all....[many, nay, most do not appeal to me personally], the ones you see are deemed to be likely to be popular with many....
Koasati
Reply #7 Monday, December 15, 2003 10:27 PM
Reply #7 Monday, December 15, 2003 10:27 PM
Several months back there were so many threads full of complaints of WC's strick moderation of the wallpaper section, that a decision was made to relax the guidelines. Since then it seems we get fewer and fewer quality walls in my estimation....... as we said back then, we will be critisized no matter what we do. But we're used to it.
kona0197
Reply #8 Monday, December 15, 2003 11:16 PM
Those are the ones I LIKE. Abstract digital art is awesome.
Reply #8 Monday, December 15, 2003 11:16 PM
| I am referring to people who just put some sort of wild, bright streaking or blob or some such nonsense on and then name it something that makes no sense just like their background. |
Those are the ones I LIKE. Abstract digital art is awesome.
SuperheroCanadian
Reply #9 Monday, December 15, 2003 11:24 PM
Reply #9 Monday, December 15, 2003 11:24 PM
I think the fact of uploading to wincust has lost musch of its pride as of late, i used to upload quite a bit but scaled back after the new guidline restrictions. Back about a year or 2 ago it was quite an honor to get uploaded and being rejected was no big deal, u had other artists to live up to.
These days it seems the section is more deidicated to "art" than anything.
"The prime directive for wallpapers is that they must WORK as a wallpaper, in other words the design should be an effective desktop background..."
I think this ideal has been lost in recent months, if u go back you will find they work better for desktops than the new ones.
Its just that this ideal has been lost with the lackened guidlines as more "art" has been acepted then actual walls.
Another peeve of mine( more me than anything and there probably is nothing wrong with it.) is that people can create walls so fast now with out much time and effort, I can point out 4 out of the 10 most recent uploaded walls and tell you what programs were yused what styles were and used, and almsot exactly how they made them. If the wall section is gonna accept "art" atleast let it be orignal instead of just a bryce blob zoomed in with a reflective texture. (i was once guilty of this so go ahead and flame me away.)
These days it seems the section is more deidicated to "art" than anything.
"The prime directive for wallpapers is that they must WORK as a wallpaper, in other words the design should be an effective desktop background..."
I think this ideal has been lost in recent months, if u go back you will find they work better for desktops than the new ones.
Its just that this ideal has been lost with the lackened guidlines as more "art" has been acepted then actual walls.
Another peeve of mine( more me than anything and there probably is nothing wrong with it.) is that people can create walls so fast now with out much time and effort, I can point out 4 out of the 10 most recent uploaded walls and tell you what programs were yused what styles were and used, and almsot exactly how they made them. If the wall section is gonna accept "art" atleast let it be orignal instead of just a bryce blob zoomed in with a reflective texture. (i was once guilty of this so go ahead and flame me away.)
EventHorizon
Reply #10 Monday, December 15, 2003 11:33 PM
Reply #10 Monday, December 15, 2003 11:33 PM
My thoughts echo SHC's...
As I see it, it takes less talent...less skill...less work to get a submission in... Its not as admirible as it once was.
I personally think it would be better if the standards were upped...While some people will be dissappointed when they see their submission was cut, that will give them incentive to try harder...and thereby increase the quality of their submissions...and the number of downloads from the hundreds to the thousands.
As I see it, it takes less talent...less skill...less work to get a submission in... Its not as admirible as it once was.
I personally think it would be better if the standards were upped...While some people will be dissappointed when they see their submission was cut, that will give them incentive to try harder...and thereby increase the quality of their submissions...and the number of downloads from the hundreds to the thousands.
SuperheroCanadian
Reply #11 Monday, December 15, 2003 11:43 PM
Reply #11 Monday, December 15, 2003 11:43 PM
back when i first uploaded my stuff i wanted to emulate the best which at the time were people like adni and webdiod. But I dont see stuff of that quality anymore, if it is it mixed in with all the same stuff i see week after week. Theres very little orignal work being submitted anymore if you search through the walls back to about the first 100 submissions u see very buetiful work, stuff that works as walls, and things took real skill to make.
I think there should be something done to cycle some of the older pieces back in to show people what the walls section should look like. Give them something worthwile to emulate
I think there should be something done to cycle some of the older pieces back in to show people what the walls section should look like. Give them something worthwile to emulate
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #12 Monday, December 15, 2003 11:43 PM
Reply #12 Monday, December 15, 2003 11:43 PM
"The prime directive for wallpapers is that they must WORK as a wallpaper, in other words the design should be an effective desktop background..."
.I disagree...some of us use NO icons...so 'art' is fine,it just hasto compliment the windowblind.
.I disagree...some of us use NO icons...so 'art' is fine,it just hasto compliment the windowblind.
SuperheroCanadian
Reply #13 Monday, December 15, 2003 11:49 PM
Reply #13 Monday, December 15, 2003 11:49 PM
hey i dont even use icons either but still, there are many ( the common user) who still do.
kona0197
Reply #14 Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:24 AM
but if they do that the msg board will be flooded with "why didn't my wall make it" threads
Reply #14 Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:24 AM
| I personally think it would be better if the standards were upped...While some people will be dissappointed when they see their submission was cut, that will give them incentive to try harder...and thereby increase the quality of their submissions...and the number of downloads from the hundreds to the thousands. |
but if they do that the msg board will be flooded with "why didn't my wall make it" threads
kongit
Reply #15 Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:35 AM
Reply #15 Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:35 AM
I'd rather see "wy didn't my wall make it" threads so the poster would learn how to make better walls, then walls suck (such as this thread).
Also those of us who haven't gotten around to try to make walls would also learn.
Just my opinion
Also those of us who haven't gotten around to try to make walls would also learn.
Just my opinion
Gear7
Reply #17 Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:18 AM
Reply #17 Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:18 AM
I see lots of walls that don't cater to my taste. I often think to myslef "How the heck did that thing get approved". But... a lot of those walls have several comments attached praising them. Which reminds how vast different peoples tastes are.
Don't forget to use the search filters. They help out a lot. Searching by date uploaded/ascending does show off a higher standard of walls ... although ... a smaller variety.
Don't forget to use the search filters. They help out a lot. Searching by date uploaded/ascending does show off a higher standard of walls ... although ... a smaller variety.
Styl-X Design
Reply #18 Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:27 AM
Reply #18 Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:27 AM
why is he trying to give critic to other peoples work while he dasn't have anything in his library.
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Styl-X Design
Reply #19 Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:28 AM
Reply #19 Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:28 AM
btw, most scenery walls should be rejected, terragen is the thing that is below standards, not abstract art.
EventHorizon
Reply #20 Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:15 AM
A lot of it is, yes...even some of the stuff I already have up...If I made it now, I wouldnt submit it...
However, some terragens are very high quality and deserve to be up, scenery or not. Look at Xerrarie's stuff...she does excellent work which deserves attention. Or look at Sailors' Delight, 13,844 d/loads. 'Nuff said.
If they are banned from the wallpaper section...then which category should they be uploaded in? Or are you suggesting that they are a 'lower art form'?
Its not like every bryce blob is higher quality and more worthy of submission than the terragens. There are many bryce 'accidents' that are just plain pathetic. Not just bryce, Photoshop too...
Theres crud on both sides of the fence so to speak...Thats why I would like to have the standards upped a tad.
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Reply #20 Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:15 AM
| terragen is the thing that is below standards, |
A lot of it is, yes...even some of the stuff I already have up...If I made it now, I wouldnt submit it...
However, some terragens are very high quality and deserve to be up, scenery or not. Look at Xerrarie's stuff...she does excellent work which deserves attention. Or look at Sailors' Delight, 13,844 d/loads. 'Nuff said.
If they are banned from the wallpaper section...then which category should they be uploaded in? Or are you suggesting that they are a 'lower art form'?
| not abstract art. |
Its not like every bryce blob is higher quality and more worthy of submission than the terragens. There are many bryce 'accidents' that are just plain pathetic. Not just bryce, Photoshop too...
Theres crud on both sides of the fence so to speak...Thats why I would like to have the standards upped a tad.
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Reply #1 Monday, December 15, 2003 9:02 PM