Newsflash - Saddam captured!
Sunday, December 14, 2003 by Fuzzy Logic | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
News just out that Saddam Hussein has been captured in Iraq. Tune in to your local news station for live reports.
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IPlural
Reply #42 Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:06 PM
Pan-America, whats wrong with that? *insert sarcastic grin here*
yeah... It is rather presumptuous to make such a claim considering we can not even secure *our* national borders in the USA.
Besides by definition that would be called a "Colony"...
We fought a war of Independence about something, mmm, hmmmm, you know the reason kinda slips my mind at the moment...
Reply #42 Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:06 PM
| #37 by Developer wombat_1 - 12/14/2003 12:54:46 PM You can just about bet that there will be a permanent ocupation...as there should be.A permanent occupation .... as opposed to 'liberation'???I don't think so.... |
Pan-America, whats wrong with that? *insert sarcastic grin here*
yeah... It is rather presumptuous to make such a claim considering we can not even secure *our* national borders in the USA.
Besides by definition that would be called a "Colony"...
We fought a war of Independence about something, mmm, hmmmm, you know the reason kinda slips my mind at the moment...
IPlural
Reply #43 Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:16 PM
Reply #43 Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:16 PM
Conversely, a balmy vacation at China Beach could be yours for a low price if I am not mistaken and it only cost over 50,000 US troops as the initial investment... well thats if you decide to act like the government and the people and forget those that left parts of them self over there, arms, legs, minds, little parts of their soul or that which makes them who they are inside the mind...
I guess you could call them deferred escrow?
oh BTW, wheres Ben Hiding?
Saddam needed to be taken out of control and he should face his crimes and then die without a doubt.
Iraq had nothing at all to do with 9/11 and has nothing to do with the WAR on Terrorism other than the fact that now the terrorists can kill lots of Americans on their way to Allah with all the troops in Iraq...
I think wombat has the gist of it, the body bags have not begun to be zipped, stamped and stacked waiting to be shipped to their respects homes yet....
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I guess you could call them deferred escrow?
oh BTW, wheres Ben Hiding?
Saddam needed to be taken out of control and he should face his crimes and then die without a doubt.
Iraq had nothing at all to do with 9/11 and has nothing to do with the WAR on Terrorism other than the fact that now the terrorists can kill lots of Americans on their way to Allah with all the troops in Iraq...
I think wombat has the gist of it, the body bags have not begun to be zipped, stamped and stacked waiting to be shipped to their respects homes yet....
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Larry Kuperman
Reply #44 Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:45 PM
Reply #44 Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:45 PM
A site that lists Coalition casualties since the war began: http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx
541 deaths in a war that was almost universally predicted to have a death-toll in the thousands. 456 American, 53 UK and 32 from the other nations that are supporting the war. Not to in any lessen the tragic impact of these deaths on the families of those who gave their lives in the war against terrorism, but had anyone predicted that Iraq would be liberated in so short a time and Saddam captured with this loss of life, they would have been regarded as optimistic.
The Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari predicted the capture of Saddam, the original topic under discussion would have "a demoralizing effect" and would lessen the attacks.
Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said "Moscow believes that Saddam Hussein's arrest will help strengthen security in Iraq."
French President Jacques Chirac (not a Bush supporter in the past, to put it mildly) said, speaking of the arrest, "It is a major event that would strongly contribute to the democratization and stabilization of Iraq."
None of these world leaders, and I quote from the link in my post above, seems to feel as pessimistic as posters on this board. Presumably the heads of state have some understanding of the situation in Iraq.
Oh, I left out German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. The Chancellor wrote the following message to President Bush "With great happiness I have learnt of the capture of Saddam Hussein. I congratulate you on the successful mission."
541 deaths in a war that was almost universally predicted to have a death-toll in the thousands. 456 American, 53 UK and 32 from the other nations that are supporting the war. Not to in any lessen the tragic impact of these deaths on the families of those who gave their lives in the war against terrorism, but had anyone predicted that Iraq would be liberated in so short a time and Saddam captured with this loss of life, they would have been regarded as optimistic.
The Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari predicted the capture of Saddam, the original topic under discussion would have "a demoralizing effect" and would lessen the attacks.
Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said "Moscow believes that Saddam Hussein's arrest will help strengthen security in Iraq."
French President Jacques Chirac (not a Bush supporter in the past, to put it mildly) said, speaking of the arrest, "It is a major event that would strongly contribute to the democratization and stabilization of Iraq."
None of these world leaders, and I quote from the link in my post above, seems to feel as pessimistic as posters on this board. Presumably the heads of state have some understanding of the situation in Iraq.
Oh, I left out German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. The Chancellor wrote the following message to President Bush "With great happiness I have learnt of the capture of Saddam Hussein. I congratulate you on the successful mission."
IPlural
Reply #45 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:16 PM
Reply #45 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:16 PM
one life is too many, and war is a nasty business to say the least...
But then again Bin Laden has been moving his operations and his people to Iraq and along it's borders for attacks... Newsweek's ran a story on it and the Taliban spokes person is a bit put out at the loss of his money and people, but vows to keep up attacks in Afghanistan, so I am thinking that we have not yet seen just how crazy or deadly Iraq and turn out to be in the end...
I wish it never took place, I wish nothing ever happened to present a need or cause for it, but it did, and we (everyone, every nation with troops and people there) in a position of seeing a need to do something....
So all we (everyone) can do is hold our breath and hope beyond reason that it stays contained and does not escalate. I also was actually finding myself not only shocked but *proud* of President Bush and his presentation of the capture of Saddam...
I find myself seeing him as less loathsome than ever before...
But then again Bin Laden has been moving his operations and his people to Iraq and along it's borders for attacks... Newsweek's ran a story on it and the Taliban spokes person is a bit put out at the loss of his money and people, but vows to keep up attacks in Afghanistan, so I am thinking that we have not yet seen just how crazy or deadly Iraq and turn out to be in the end...
I wish it never took place, I wish nothing ever happened to present a need or cause for it, but it did, and we (everyone, every nation with troops and people there) in a position of seeing a need to do something....
So all we (everyone) can do is hold our breath and hope beyond reason that it stays contained and does not escalate. I also was actually finding myself not only shocked but *proud* of President Bush and his presentation of the capture of Saddam...
I find myself seeing him as less loathsome than ever before...
Aqua.
Reply #46 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:22 PM
Reply #46 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:22 PM
Now that we've got the guy that the Republican party has been homicidally obsessed with for the past decade, can we now shift our focus back to getting the man who killed 4000+ of our people?
Please?
Please?
Larry Kuperman
Reply #47 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:35 PM
Reply #47 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:35 PM
IPlural, I agree with you about feeling proud of both the President's actions and speech. Like you, I would not have described myself as being on Bush's bandwagon before, but the speech was very well presented (brief and dignified) and the actions speak for themselves.
Aqua, what is not being done to find Ousama Bin Laden that you think should be? The more that we learn about Iraq and Al Qaeda, the deeper the connection runs. Certainly an ally has been eliminated and a hiding place made less secure. Where do you think we should shift our focus? More troops in Afganistan? Iran? Syria?
Aqua, what is not being done to find Ousama Bin Laden that you think should be? The more that we learn about Iraq and Al Qaeda, the deeper the connection runs. Certainly an ally has been eliminated and a hiding place made less secure. Where do you think we should shift our focus? More troops in Afganistan? Iran? Syria?
bakerstreet
Reply #48 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:37 PM
Reply #48 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:37 PM
I think before this is over you will hear some grumbling from Kuwait, who wants very much to get their hands on Hussein and a few others. It wouldn't surprise me after he is convicted in Iraq if he doesn't spend some time in Kuwait, and then be multi-laterally drawn and quartered.
Overall a good day. It's sign that getting people like Hussein, and Bin Laden, is infinitely possible, if not probable. Just because they are rich and powerful doesn't mean this guys aren't total sh*theads. You can imagine how much more annoying they are while in hiding and paranoid. Eventually they will piss off someone to whom a multi-million dollar reward looks very tempting.
People act like catching Bin Laden is something that will be impossible, but consider the probability of someone you know turning you over to authorities for for 30+ million dollars. Then add to that the kind of human waste these people hang out with. If he isn't dead Osama will eventually follow, though it may be a long, long time coming.
Overall a good day. It's sign that getting people like Hussein, and Bin Laden, is infinitely possible, if not probable. Just because they are rich and powerful doesn't mean this guys aren't total sh*theads. You can imagine how much more annoying they are while in hiding and paranoid. Eventually they will piss off someone to whom a multi-million dollar reward looks very tempting.
People act like catching Bin Laden is something that will be impossible, but consider the probability of someone you know turning you over to authorities for for 30+ million dollars. Then add to that the kind of human waste these people hang out with. If he isn't dead Osama will eventually follow, though it may be a long, long time coming.
bussie
Reply #49 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:40 PM
Reply #49 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:40 PM
I think the americans shouldn't be too proud of themselves. Saddam has been captured because Saddam's family told the americans where he was.
Without that i think the americans would never have found him.
I'm very happy that this beast has been capured and i hope he will get a fair trail and will be locked up for the rest of his life.
Without that i think the americans would never have found him.
I'm very happy that this beast has been capured and i hope he will get a fair trail and will be locked up for the rest of his life.
bakerstreet
Reply #50 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:44 PM
Reply #50 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:44 PM
P.S. Anyone want to lay odds that the gals in the EU throw a fit and say he has to be turned over to the International War Crimes Debacle, ur, um, Tribunal? Granted If we send him there he could be sentenced to spend the rest of his life in off-the-rack clothing and 2 star hotels *shudder*.
bakerstreet
Reply #51 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:45 PM
Reply #51 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:45 PM
Bussie: I agree, if by "locked up for the rest of his life" you mean slowly turned into cold cuts by the survivors of all the people me tortured, maimed and killed.
DaveRI
Reply #52 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:51 PM
Reply #52 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:51 PM
Baker Street-
Ya that was my first thought. Just let each of his torture victims and their relatives have a 15 minute crack at him. That ought to do the trick. Doesn't seem extreme for a society that chops of peoples' hands for stealing.
Ya that was my first thought. Just let each of his torture victims and their relatives have a 15 minute crack at him. That ought to do the trick. Doesn't seem extreme for a society that chops of peoples' hands for stealing.
bussie
Reply #53 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:55 PM
Reply #53 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:55 PM
I can be clear on that: i'm against the death-penalty in all circumstances.
If he gets the death-penalty he gets off easily. Locked up for the rest of his life, he has to suffer more.
If he gets the death-penalty he gets off easily. Locked up for the rest of his life, he has to suffer more.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #54 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:57 PM
Reply #54 Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:57 PM
300,000 murdered. Makes Jack the Ripper look like a choirboy.
1,000,000 families affected.
There is no punishment to fit these crimes. He needs to suffer for the next 1000 years....
1,000,000 families affected.
There is no punishment to fit these crimes. He needs to suffer for the next 1000 years....
Peff
Reply #55 Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:12 PM
Reply #55 Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:12 PM
Skin him...roll him in salt...let him heal...repeat 300,000 times....he'd still be getting off easy, IMO
macrobaye
Reply #56 Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:17 PM
are you kidding? I could almost see the wall behind dubya through his eyes. theres nothing there. NOTHING. He's reading off a teleprompter, with the ususal patriotism like "This is a great day for America," and "God bless America." That speech was a joke.
Blair's speech, on the other hand, was very well put. No b/s, no unnecessary patriotic comments, no f***ing teleprompter. We need a president who literally knows what he's saying.
DEAN 2004
Reply #56 Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:17 PM
| If you have not heard President Bush's announcement, and it was only 4 minutes long, I strongly urge that you do so. It was very well said. Paraphrasing as best I can he said "Saddam will receive the justice that he denied so many others." The trial is expected to be held in Iraq, as Iraq is now a free and sovereign nation. This will not mark the end of terror which must continue to be fought "cell by cell." But it certainly is an important event and means that Iraq will not return to Saddamist rule. As Prime Minister Tony Blair so eloquently put it "It removes the shadow that has been hanging over them for too long of the nightmare of a return to the Saddam regime. This fear is now removed." Be aware that you are witnessing history. It is a great day. |
are you kidding? I could almost see the wall behind dubya through his eyes. theres nothing there. NOTHING. He's reading off a teleprompter, with the ususal patriotism like "This is a great day for America," and "God bless America." That speech was a joke.
Blair's speech, on the other hand, was very well put. No b/s, no unnecessary patriotic comments, no f***ing teleprompter. We need a president who literally knows what he's saying.
DEAN 2004
macrobaye
Reply #58 Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:20 PM
Reply #58 Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:20 PM
my previous comment not to be taken the wrong way, I do agree that the capture was a great success, and was **mildly** necessary, but the war was not. AND we all know Bush himself had NOTHING to do with the capture...but we all know he's taking credit...
PS: SEND OUR TROOPS HOME DUBYA!
DEAN 2004
PS: SEND OUR TROOPS HOME DUBYA!
DEAN 2004
macrobaye
Reply #59 Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:22 PM
Reply #59 Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:22 PM
I also think that the death penalty is the wrong way to go, no matter how sever the crime. The death penalty is murder. Period. Saddam should be locked away in prison, with every other prisoner wanting to kill him. The death penalty is not only wrong, but it is an easy way out for a man who murdered millions of his OWN PEOPLE.
DEAN 2004
DEAN 2004
wickedmaidtoall
Reply #60 Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:34 PM
Reply #60 Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:34 PM
As someone who has lost a loved one over in the war I would love to see the man suffer but if we were to do the type of justice I think he should receive then that would mean we have become the very thing that my loved one lost his life over.
Just my two cents
Just my two cents
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Reply #41 Sunday, December 14, 2003 2:40 PM