Discouraged. Is our community as we know it coming to an end?
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
A large percentage of you who read this are already WinCustomize premium subscribers. You've already done your part to help this site keep going.
But I must say, things are grim this holiday season here. 2 expensive servers are down. We must get 2 new servers in here. We need to get another 2 servers on top of that for redundancy but that can wait a bit. But it's depressing knowing that millions visit this site each month and we've only gotten 156 new subscribers since the subscription drive began. It definitely makes a strong case that perhaps the days of free skins are over. That the skin authors and web masters, who pull their weight, should move towards a more commercial model that benefits primarily those who contribute (skinners, subscribers, and developers).
My friend Scott (Jark) has much the same problems over at deviantART: http://news.deviantart.com/article/12039/
That is, the problem of having massive MASSIVE traffic but only a tiny fraction of those users paying the bill. Many people think, incorrectly, that massive traffic == money. It doesn't.
I can tell you, those of you who have purchased premium subscriptions here have helped the community in ways that the average user can't possibly fathom. Premium subscribers combined with the volunteer efforts of this site's administrators (Jafo, Boxxi, DavidK, Treetog, Alexandrie, Kaosati, MikeB, Hippy, and others) are what keep things going.
Without the premium subscriptions, I can tell you right now what would happen. This site would slowly morph into being a purely Stardock oriented site with bandwidth caps for all users (including Object Desktop users - though theirs would be higher). Support for non-Stardock sections would slowly disappear or be restricted to subscribers only. The wallpaper section would only be available to those who either have a wallpaper on there that got accepted or subscribers (in all these exaples, anyone with apprentice access or higher would be treated as a subscriber).
There would be banner ads, and things would become vastly more commercial. Instead of a free Christmas suite, it would be a $8 Christmas suite. Instead of free skins, a new system would b eput in place to allow authors to sell their skins as part of te library once they had achieved a certain access level. One-click purchasing by users with the skin authors getting a percent.
That is the commercialized future of skinning. The alternative. It's not necessarily dark and evil. But it is a much different world than what we have now. I suspect many skin authors out there would jump at the chance of being able to get paid for their skins.
I've posted for years that our community is made up of 3 co-equal groups: The skinners, the web masters, and the users. We webmasters are doing everythign we can. The skinners have done their part. The users have to do their part as a collective. Which means of the 75,000 unique visitors this site gets each day, 500 more of them need to contribute back too. As the alternative to voluntarily helping will be paying bits and pieces here and there for skins and themes. The alternative is a smaller community, a more commercialized community but a sustainable one too.
Personally, I hope some balance can be found. While some people think we represent the commercialization of skinning, in reality, we don't. We simply want...must find a sustainable model that allows our community to grow. We have all seen the instability Deskmod, Skinz.org, and even Customize.org have faced. The site has grown beyond what Stardock can pay for via Object Desktop sales. While Stardock's revenue has grown, the traffic to this site has DOUBLED this year.
Like I said, a large percentage of you have already done your part. There's nothing more you can do. But hopefully, the millions of people who come to this site will have some infintesible number of them that recognize that someone has to pay for all this stuff.
The end of the year may end up being the end of this site as we know it. Those new machines will be purchased one way or the other. But if Stardock ends up having to pay for any of those two new machines, it's going to come with strings attached. Ones that will certainly benefit subscribers but the casual users of the world will probably not like.
Reply #382 Saturday, December 13, 2003 2:20 AM
But, I did not know, or understand that as a registered member that I needed to contribute in some way until I got the Stardock Cental Browser and started looking at this discussion (never looked at them before cause I have never got into stuff like that) I thought all I had to do was register and everything was cool. I was free to download anything I wanted, and did, not thinking anything more about anything else. So, if that's the way I percieved it all, I'm sure many others are blind to all of this too, and aren't purposely leeching. I am glad though, that I did read this discussion. It opened my eyes to things I didn't see before and I'm sorry for my ignorance.
I also purchased a WC subscription today and was glad to do so... and my opinion on this discussion would be to keep things simple. Have a certain amount of stuff free in each category and the rest for subscribers only... and then state beside each skin for example wether it's free, or for subscribers only. That way they are free to download some, plus be able to see it all, but will also know that if they want the good stuff, they will have to buy a subscription.
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Reply #385 Saturday, December 13, 2003 6:00 AM
Everyone that buys a subscription get $15 for free, everyone else needs to buy 'money' themself.
This 'money' is in your account and you cant download unless you have the money there.
Downloading a skin cost you 0.05$ - 0.15$ (depends on from witch library you download.)
Imagine, 0.15$ a skin, I think everyone can miss 0.15.
lets say that 2/3 is going to stardock(/wincustomize) and 1/3 is going to the skin author.
This money that is going to the skin author is added to his account and he can get the money from there at any moment he want. (and transfer it to a pay pal account or whatever.)
I think this should solve the problem.
If you imagine how much downloads there are per day....
Just my oppinion.
Reply #386 Saturday, December 13, 2003 6:33 AM
How about putting a time limit on non-subscription accounts? Have them expire after say 60 days with no option for renewal. This way, when a user's account expires, they are faced with either purchasing a subscription, or going on their merry way.
We all know that it is possible to create more than one account, but there is likely a way that WC can fix that issue as well.
Just a thought......
Reply #387 Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:10 AM
Find some way to charge your downloaders. I liked the idea of viewing only, and downloading only if you are a subscriber. The idea of dividing the proceeds with the skinner *sounds* nice in theory (considering I'm in the top 10 Downloads at the moment) but I will be the first to admit that that idea is wrought with peril. Of course it is easy to think that Stardock is making money from our skins... and they are. Our graphics are what generate the sales for Windowblinds, DesktopX, etc. Without our graphics, there would be no world controlling empire that we call Stardock. But without Stardock, there would be no world wide empire to share our graphics with.
Skinning sites lately have gotten out of control. DevArt is a prime example. DevArt does happen to be one of the best community sites on the planet. But 50,000 new uploads each day? The uploads for this site have skyrocketed as well, especially with the additions of new categories such as Bootskin and ObjectDock. Growth is good. But as a former site op, finding the bandwidth and storage for all of it has to end somewhere.
Anywho, I ramble: In conclusion: I like the idea of this site being Stardock only. (and that means no wallpapers, either) It's always been known that Wincustomize was a Stardock love-child anyway, so time to bring that out of the closet and proclaim it from the tallest mountain (or server, I suppose)
And nothing in life is free: make them pay! (And if you want to kick back a portion to the author, I never turn money away... )
Share and Enjoy!
Reply #388 Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:23 AM
If people don't get payed for their uploads here, why wouldn't they upload it at deviantART, artupraor, deskmod etc etc. If you are the only one with the skins people will come to wincustomize. Else they will just get it for free somewhere else.
(btw, if people have to pay for their downloads, they will start skinning too, to get back 'their' money
)Reply #389 Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:47 PM
as a subscriber to this site i accept this, since i knew what this site did when i subscribed.

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| time limit on non-subscription accounts |
Uh no thanks.
My account is old, and I plan to keep it for longer still.Reply #392 Saturday, December 13, 2003 4:05 PM
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Reply #381 Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:15 AM
It's not fun all the time. Some of the people that will hire you are very demanding on what they are paying for so you might find your self breaking a sweat once in a while