Separating the Jewels from the Junk in DesktopX
Sunday, December 7, 2003 by messybuu | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Let's face it. Searching for good DesktopX objects is a chore. Most of them are simply pictures that serve the same function as icons, but look half as good. It's hard to find those objects that show just how great DesktopX could be. Certainly there's a way to make the good stuff stand out from the simple icons.
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Koasati
Reply #2 Monday, December 8, 2003 12:17 AM
Reply #2 Monday, December 8, 2003 12:17 AM
You're right EH, but it'll never happen as long as people rate things off the screenshot, before they even try it. Hand out 10's to their buds, and heros. (8, 9, and 10 should be rare scores in my opinion) Refuse to give ratings to poor skins, because they don't want to discourage, or hurt any feelings. Other than that, the system works fine.................. 
Stockholm Syndrome
Reply #3 Monday, December 8, 2003 12:27 AM
Are you suggesting people actually rate on the quality of the skin or object?
Reply #3 Monday, December 8, 2003 12:27 AM
| You're right EH, but it'll never happen as long as people rate things off the screenshot, before they even try it. Hand out 10's to their buds, and heros. (8, 9, and 10 should be rare scores in my opinion) Refuse to give ratings to poor skins, because they don't want to discourage, or hurt any feelings. Other than that, the system works fine.................. |
Are you suggesting people actually rate on the quality of the skin or object?
EventHorizon
Reply #4 Monday, December 8, 2003 3:22 AM
Reply #4 Monday, December 8, 2003 3:22 AM
Koa, If you were to buy a subscirption, would that enable you to abuse the rating system? Or do you have to get a promo?
Koasati
Reply #5 Monday, December 8, 2003 10:38 AM
Yes.... 
Reply #5 Monday, December 8, 2003 10:38 AM
| Koa, If you were to buy a subscirption, would that enable you to abuse the rating system? |
Frank Leon
Reply #6 Monday, December 8, 2003 10:40 AM
Reply #6 Monday, December 8, 2003 10:40 AM
They should onlylet people with higher access rate.
kona0197
Reply #7 Monday, December 8, 2003 10:58 AM
Reply #7 Monday, December 8, 2003 10:58 AM
i could care less about the ratings. I would just be happy that something I made got uploaded to wincustomize, like a wall or a WB skin but of course not those stupid dock icons of mine.
Ratings are over rated. Even if I get a subsciption I will not rate.
Ratings are over rated. Even if I get a subsciption I will not rate.
Stockholm Syndrome
Reply #8 Monday, December 8, 2003 12:00 PM
I think you have to be level 4 or higher to rate.
Reply #8 Monday, December 8, 2003 12:00 PM
| They should onlylet people with higher access rate. |
I think you have to be level 4 or higher to rate.
EventHorizon
Reply #9 Monday, December 8, 2003 12:57 PM
Reply #9 Monday, December 8, 2003 12:57 PM
I dont think you should be able to 'buy' the rating privilege...It should be reserved solely for those who have made some other contribution to the community.
Stockholm Syndrome
Reply #10 Monday, December 8, 2003 1:36 PM
Whatever. I'm sorry that some of you don't feel that my $50/yr OD subscription plus my Wincustomize subscription is enough of a "contribution" for you. I guess I could put up landscape walls too. Could I vote then?
Welp, luckily Stardock seems to realize that financial contributions are also kinda important to run the community. Too bad you don't.
Reply #10 Monday, December 8, 2003 1:36 PM
Whatever. I'm sorry that some of you don't feel that my $50/yr OD subscription plus my Wincustomize subscription is enough of a "contribution" for you. I guess I could put up landscape walls too. Could I vote then?
Welp, luckily Stardock seems to realize that financial contributions are also kinda important to run the community. Too bad you don't.
GhoS
Reply #11 Monday, December 8, 2003 1:36 PM
Reply #11 Monday, December 8, 2003 1:36 PM
Its not "buying" ratings privilege. Not all of us can contribute via making skins. By buying a subscription I have contributed to the site and feel I deserve the privilege of rating skins if I so choose.
I do, however, agree that is often a lot of "junk"..... but one man's junk is another man's treasure. I enjoy finding the little treasures scattered here.
I do, however, agree that is often a lot of "junk"..... but one man's junk is another man's treasure. I enjoy finding the little treasures scattered here.
EventHorizon
Reply #12 Monday, December 8, 2003 3:28 PM
Reply #12 Monday, December 8, 2003 3:28 PM
Whoa SS, slow down...
Im not saying that *You* are the one responsable for some of the ratings being unfiar. And I realize that financial contributions are essential to the sucess of wincustomize. What Im suggesting is that the rating privilege is taken off the list of goodies that comes with an OD or Wc subscription. You still get all the other things...Edit message, unlimited d/loads and whatnot, but you dont get to rate...
The rating system can easily be abused by one person who goes around and (Like Koasati said) gives high ratings to his/her 'heroes' and low ratings to the people who he/she just doesnt like for some reason. Or, rating by ScreenShot alone.
You can be a better judge of the quality of something if you have made one yourself.
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Im not saying that *You* are the one responsable for some of the ratings being unfiar. And I realize that financial contributions are essential to the sucess of wincustomize. What Im suggesting is that the rating privilege is taken off the list of goodies that comes with an OD or Wc subscription. You still get all the other things...Edit message, unlimited d/loads and whatnot, but you dont get to rate...
The rating system can easily be abused by one person who goes around and (Like Koasati said) gives high ratings to his/her 'heroes' and low ratings to the people who he/she just doesnt like for some reason. Or, rating by ScreenShot alone.
You can be a better judge of the quality of something if you have made one yourself.
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kongit
Reply #13 Monday, December 8, 2003 3:35 PM
Reply #13 Monday, December 8, 2003 3:35 PM
if you look at the number of ratings on many dxobjects they are very few. Maybe if more people voted with their true opinions there wouldn't be a problem 
Jafo
Reply #14 Monday, December 8, 2003 4:22 PM
Reply #14 Monday, December 8, 2003 4:22 PM
It is a reasonable reward for those who contribute financially [and thus have a vested interest in the site] to be able to rate.
The downside is that the ratings are not coming just from fellow skinners/artists who know the effort/s involved, but also from people who are 'just' users/appreciators of the works.
The upside of THAT is at least more people get to rate and ultimately more people's ratings means a more 'accurate' determination.
That said, ther's still a number of people who come to notice, who have 'curious' rating methods and thus remain under scrutiny.... When something really 'fishy' occurs it's dealt with.
As with all features of the site, the Rating 'system' is under review...
Tech-Cat
Reply #15 Monday, December 8, 2003 4:36 PM
Reply #15 Monday, December 8, 2003 4:36 PM
I have only contributed a few ratings, and I never base my rating on if I am a friend of the author of the work or if I am a fan of the author. I base my rating on the work as I see it.
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Ande
Reply #16 Monday, December 8, 2003 5:01 PM
Reply #16 Monday, December 8, 2003 5:01 PM
EventHorizon you are takling rubbish. The rating system has been discussed so many times on this board its not funny anymore. Its not going to change. But for you to say the problem will be fixed by revoking the rating priviliges of those who only contribute fiancially is absurd and insulting. I would venture to say, overall, the rating system is used very very little. By the way the Admins can identify those abusing the system if they are advised a problem exists.
Do you only purchase comodities that you have made yourself or do you look at them, try them out and if they work for you, then purchase.
Do you only purchase comodities that you have made yourself or do you look at them, try them out and if they work for you, then purchase.
Jafo
Reply #17 Monday, December 8, 2003 5:19 PM
Reply #17 Monday, December 8, 2003 5:19 PM
Ande...EH was just proposing a possible solution....it's not 'rubbish', in fact many people would rather only be judged [rated] by their skinning peers, however others want as many people to be able to rate as possible.
You are right, however, that the topic has been discussed many times....but it just may yet change...
BTW....abuse of the ratings occurs from both 'camps'...the non-skinners AND the skinners...
Frogboy
Reply #18 Monday, December 8, 2003 5:34 PM
Reply #18 Monday, December 8, 2003 5:34 PM
We are discussing a fairly radical change to the ratings system for this next Spring.
Stockholm Syndrome
Reply #19 Monday, December 8, 2003 5:35 PM
Reply #19 Monday, December 8, 2003 5:35 PM
Yes, I understand that you are not talking about me, specifically, but I am part of that group, and I don't care for the implication that site suscribers are buying their way in to vote.
Understood, and I see your point. But on that note, couldn't a skinner/artist just as easily abuse the rating system by say, giving poor ratings to their competition? There was a thread on here a short while ago where this very thing happened. this.
Again, understand, but are the skins supposed to be admired and judged by others who make them, or also admired and judged by those who are heavy users of them? It could have been a huge project to make, but if it's not useable, that work doesn't make it a 10.
I think I know what you mean though...I see some great skins that really aren't my style or colors or whatever, I'll still give them kudos for the nice work.
I wish I'd never heard of ratings now.
Sorry, no hard feelings I hope.
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| The rating system can easily be abused by one person who goes around and (Like Koasati said) gives high ratings to his/her 'heroes' and low ratings to the people who he/she just doesnt like for some reason. Or, rating by ScreenShot alone. |
Understood, and I see your point. But on that note, couldn't a skinner/artist just as easily abuse the rating system by say, giving poor ratings to their competition? There was a thread on here a short while ago where this very thing happened. this.
| You can be a better judge of the quality of something if you have made one yourself. |
Again, understand, but are the skins supposed to be admired and judged by others who make them, or also admired and judged by those who are heavy users of them? It could have been a huge project to make, but if it's not useable, that work doesn't make it a 10.
I think I know what you mean though...I see some great skins that really aren't my style or colors or whatever, I'll still give them kudos for the nice work.
I wish I'd never heard of ratings now.
Sorry, no hard feelings I hope.[Message Edited]
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Reply #1 Sunday, December 7, 2003 11:33 PM
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