Adding a Second Hard Drive
Saturday, November 22, 2003 by bmetelsky | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Nothing to do with skinning..............
Can I put a second hard drive in my PC despite the lack of bays? There is room inside but not an available bay. Also, does it have to be mounted a certain way - can I put it upside down or on it's side? Thanks for the help.
Can I put a second hard drive in my PC despite the lack of bays? There is room inside but not an available bay. Also, does it have to be mounted a certain way - can I put it upside down or on it's side? Thanks for the help.
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Kevin_C
Reply #22 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:02 PM
Reply #22 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:02 PM
I definitely agree with Jafo on this. I'm pretty sure all hard drives will operate just fine on their side. The drive rack in my case at home sits sideways and I've never had a single problem with any of the drives in the case. In fact much like Drop125 I've put HD's in my case just hanging from the IDE cable and it worked just fine. I wouldn't recommend it for a long term solution but it will work until you can get a bigger case. As far as propping it up on it's side I would make sure that it is leaning against something else in your case because the rotation of the platters might cause it to fall over otherwise and that wouldn't be a good thing 
Good Luck!
Good Luck!
Jafo
Reply #23 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:29 PM
Reply #23 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:29 PM
lP...yes....dangling them is just one of those things you do....and banging a Bigfoot is the only way to get the buggers spinning....done that as well....massive bloody thing for a 2gig drive....eventually threw it out, though almost turned it into a clock, as some like to do...
Weaksid
Reply #24 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:13 PM
I add to this motion. DO NOT run a HD on it's side or upside down, reason for this is because the heads could get out of line and scratch the platters or it just goes out of sync and this is how corruption can happen. I'm almost positive that even the instructions on a HD says this. I think I shred all of my papers so I can't look that up. But in alot of my PC classes, they tell you this. Plus avoid alot of bouncing, most damage is caused if the platters are still spinning. I'm sure that notebook drives are different and use a different method to protect them from damage like a conventional HD.
Suggestion: Since you don't have anymore room in your system. Try creating a removable harddrive that attaches to your USB or something like that. You can build one with parts or buy one that does it.
Weaksid is done
Reply #24 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:13 PM
| #6 by craeonics - 11/23/2003 8:11:17 AM Not too sure if it would be wise to put it on its side. It's still a mechanical devise, with spinning elements, which may not like being put on their side. |
I add to this motion. DO NOT run a HD on it's side or upside down, reason for this is because the heads could get out of line and scratch the platters or it just goes out of sync and this is how corruption can happen. I'm almost positive that even the instructions on a HD says this. I think I shred all of my papers so I can't look that up. But in alot of my PC classes, they tell you this. Plus avoid alot of bouncing, most damage is caused if the platters are still spinning. I'm sure that notebook drives are different and use a different method to protect them from damage like a conventional HD.
Suggestion: Since you don't have anymore room in your system. Try creating a removable harddrive that attaches to your USB or something like that. You can build one with parts or buy one that does it.
Weaksid is done
Jafo
Reply #25 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:30 PM
Reply #25 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:30 PM
No...notebook drives are just smaller and there's therefore less fly-wheel effect. Modern drives properly 'park' their heads off-platter so there's less chance of damage even when dropped [provided the drive is not in the midst of a read-write].
I have a couple of dozen drives here....and I bet if I check them all they'll be unlikely to make reference to preferential placement....
kona0197
Reply #26 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:22 PM
Reply #26 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:22 PM
Why dosen't the author of this thread just get a brand new case? That would solve all problems.
And Jafo maxtor reccommends NOT putting the drive in any way but the proper way, label side up and not on it's side or upside down.
And Jafo maxtor reccommends NOT putting the drive in any way but the proper way, label side up and not on it's side or upside down.
EventHorizon
Reply #27 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:35 PM
So thats why Win95 on our old PI 166 got sooo messed up after I dismantled it and...um...*tried* to put it back together...
Reply #27 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:35 PM
| I add to this motion. DO NOT run a HD on it's side or upside down, reason for this is because the heads could get out of line and scratch the platters or it just goes out of sync and this is how corruption can happen. |
So thats why Win95 on our old PI 166 got sooo messed up after I dismantled it and...um...*tried* to put it back together...
IPlural
Reply #29 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:33 PM
Reply #29 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:33 PM
Heck IBM is now using a chip that monitors sudden shifts in G-Force on the off chance you might drop your laptop and it instantly parks the heads....
As far as going over and over on what not to do with installing a drive.
The action is moot.
I've a wall covered in Hardware, Software, OS, NOS certifications and for the life of me I can not figure out what the point in playing about with "I know better" would be.
Suffice it to say, that if a Computer Manufacturing Corporation and it's designers design computer cases and install drives on their side, it's a safe bet that it is acceptable to do. They are not into designing malfunctions into their products so they can eat 100's of 1000's if not million's of dollars in RMA's...
anyway...
back to being inane and mindless for me
As far as going over and over on what not to do with installing a drive.
The action is moot.
I've a wall covered in Hardware, Software, OS, NOS certifications and for the life of me I can not figure out what the point in playing about with "I know better" would be.
Suffice it to say, that if a Computer Manufacturing Corporation and it's designers design computer cases and install drives on their side, it's a safe bet that it is acceptable to do. They are not into designing malfunctions into their products so they can eat 100's of 1000's if not million's of dollars in RMA's...
anyway...
back to being inane and mindless for me
kona0197
Reply #30 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:38 PM
Reply #30 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:38 PM
IP: just visited the skinners gallery. I like your pic. Mine looks like crap.
IPlural
Reply #31 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:08 PM
Reply #31 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:08 PM
thank you Terry, I kinda like yours, looks relaxed and real, out on your porch and all
bmetelsky
Reply #32 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:50 PM
Reply #32 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:50 PM
I installed the drive on it's side (attached to the inside of the case) and haven't had any problems with it. It's a "freebie", pulled out of an old compaq, just using it to store "junk". 
Alobar
Reply #33 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:44 PM
How much slower would a USB drive be in ordinary useage?
Reply #33 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:44 PM
| Try creating a removable harddrive that attaches to your USB or something like that. |
How much slower would a USB drive be in ordinary useage?
Weaksid
Reply #34 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:51 PM
Reply #34 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:51 PM
I'm not sure what the diffrence on rate between USB 1.0, USB 2.0, and EIDE. If you knew those, then you can figure out which way would be better But he could use the removable as a storage not to run programs.
But he could use the removable as a storage not to run programs.
kona0197
Reply #35 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:58 PM
Reply #35 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:58 PM
not as fast as ATA - but that dosen't matter. check this out it might help -
http://shop1.outpost.com/product/3821177
http://shop1.outpost.com/product/3821177
kona0197
Reply #37 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:02 PM
Reply #37 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:02 PM
Transfer Rate - 25MB/sec in USB 2.0 and 32MB/sec in FireWire
Weaksid
Reply #38 Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:28 AM
Reply #38 Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:28 AM
True, didn't think about firewire. I don't have that yet on my computer. Plus don't have anything that needs it. I got a bunch of USB hubs and plugs Not sure which version though 
Not sure which version though 
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Reply #21 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:26 PM
I've two of em
The reason I mentioned not mounting upside down is mostly because of the design of the arms holding the heads between the platters. Older drive design did in fact leave a certain amount of travel (slop) after a drive had been in operation for a period of time.
Heck I have had drives stacked on top of each other sitting on the desk with the cables run into the open Case
I bet you have Paul
I even had an old Segate Bigfoot that I would have to rap with something handy at times to get it to spin up