If someone ports, you BETTER say yes.
Friday, November 21, 2003 by Z71 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
This has been bugging me.
Someone (I won't name names) emailed me yesterday and asked if they could upload a port of one of my skins. I had to decline. (Reason being, it didn't look like my skin. Had square buttons, mine had round. Color was a pea green, mine was a blue and they added a bunch of things that just didn't belong.) I tried to explain to them that it was a nice jesture, but they should change the name of the skin and call it thier own and then upload it. They replied back and was a little hurt but they understood.
About a week ago, I got an email from a well known skinner. They do a lot of XPStyle skins. They wanted to use one of my skins for a package they were putting together. They had made everything but my skin, but needed my skin to complete the package. And they were going to call the package something else. I had to decline once again. I told them that it was already part of a suite and I didn't want my skin to be called something else and that I appreciated them emailing me and of thinking of my skin.
Let me tell you. They didn't want to hear that. I got a reply that wasn't G,PG or even PG13, it was rated R! They chewed me up one side and down the other. Needless to say, they are definitly off my Christmas list. (For anything.) I take it as a compliment when someone asks to port, but it should not be a given IF you port.
Sure I have ported a few things that were turned down, but I always understood when they declined for whatever reason.
I feel, even though these are free skins, there should always be professionalism in skinning, because sometime It can be a pretty bad sting.
Someone (I won't name names) emailed me yesterday and asked if they could upload a port of one of my skins. I had to decline. (Reason being, it didn't look like my skin. Had square buttons, mine had round. Color was a pea green, mine was a blue and they added a bunch of things that just didn't belong.) I tried to explain to them that it was a nice jesture, but they should change the name of the skin and call it thier own and then upload it. They replied back and was a little hurt but they understood.
About a week ago, I got an email from a well known skinner. They do a lot of XPStyle skins. They wanted to use one of my skins for a package they were putting together. They had made everything but my skin, but needed my skin to complete the package. And they were going to call the package something else. I had to decline once again. I told them that it was already part of a suite and I didn't want my skin to be called something else and that I appreciated them emailing me and of thinking of my skin.
Let me tell you. They didn't want to hear that. I got a reply that wasn't G,PG or even PG13, it was rated R! They chewed me up one side and down the other. Needless to say, they are definitly off my Christmas list. (For anything.) I take it as a compliment when someone asks to port, but it should not be a given IF you port.
Sure I have ported a few things that were turned down, but I always understood when they declined for whatever reason.
I feel, even though these are free skins, there should always be professionalism in skinning, because sometime It can be a pretty bad sting.
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Jafo
Reply #2 Friday, November 21, 2003 11:01 PM
Reply #2 Friday, November 21, 2003 11:01 PM
If the consent is NOT forthcoming when requested that 'should' be the end of it.
If either the response is inappropriate, or the requestor ignores the wishes of the skin's owner and uses it without consent, just contact the site's admins [whichever site it is] and the issue will be resolved appropriately.
No consent means exactly that, and objectionable replies to a refusal can also contravene the Telecommunications act...
RadialFX
Reply #3 Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:14 AM
Reply #3 Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:14 AM
DANG, doesn't ANYONE understand the word RESPECT anymore? I'm really sorry to hear that Z71, yes it's an honor to be asked that, when they are being truly honorable. These people were being nice in a manipulative sense.
Thinking they are being respectful turns out to be a set up! Sheesh. Hang in there, you're truly one of the best.
Thinking they are being respectful turns out to be a set up! Sheesh. Hang in there, you're truly one of the best.
Z71
Reply #4 Saturday, November 22, 2003 5:00 AM
Reply #4 Saturday, November 22, 2003 5:00 AM
Thanks all. Just got my goat for a few seconds. It rolled off me like water on a duck. It was just very disappointing to hear such language and no respect from a (professional) skinner.
neophil78
Reply #5 Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:38 AM
Reply #5 Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:38 AM
About porting : What's going on if skinners don't reply at all on request ?? asking ??
Jafo
Reply #6 Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:24 AM
Reply #6 Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:24 AM
neophil78....if you get no response it means you got a 'no'....
Simple as that....
neophil78
Reply #7 Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:55 AM
Reply #7 Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:55 AM
Jafo, as Z71 is justifiabily shocked by some reactions, i think even to say NO, skinners should at least send a response ... (just by politeness ...) 
Jafo
Reply #8 Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:18 AM
Reply #8 Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:18 AM
I know first-hand the disappointment and frustration of not receiving a response of any sort...to a cordial and polite approach.....but that's life, and we take the good with the bad.
It'd be nice to receive a simple 'no'....but in truth no-one is obliged in any way to respond to requests of themselves or their work/approval.
Should they choose to ignore then so be it...
neophil78
Reply #9 Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:52 AM
Reply #9 Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:52 AM
That's also a way to have a good idea of who are "great" persons and who are not ... 
Jafo
Reply #10 Saturday, November 22, 2003 9:12 AM
Reply #10 Saturday, November 22, 2003 9:12 AM
Not necessarily....the person who didn't respond to me [this time] had done so in the past....but who is to know his/her personal and private situation to expect/demand a reply?
His works are quite well known, world-wide, but his person is to be respected more so than his work....
MarkMcQ
Reply #12 Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:36 PM
Reply #12 Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:36 PM
And not to mention that people always make the assumption that the person they mailed DID actually receive the mail. The interwebnet thingy doesn't always work the way people want it to...
bakerstreet
Reply #13 Saturday, November 22, 2003 1:12 PM
Reply #13 Saturday, November 22, 2003 1:12 PM
In the distant past when I was asked I found it odd that the people had already devoted the time to port the item BEFORE they heard back from me. In a case of 'Hey, I made this for myself and I wanna upload it' I guess that makes sense, but from a 'pro' point of view it is silly. If they get steamed because they wasted their time they only have themselves to blame.
Wish you could share the name of the ass. As it stands people might make the wrong assumption as to who it was.
Wish you could share the name of the ass. As it stands people might make the wrong assumption as to who it was.
Koasati
Reply #14 Saturday, November 22, 2003 1:14 PM
Reply #14 Saturday, November 22, 2003 1:14 PM
Koasati would love to know who this 'profession' skinner is..............
grayhaze
Reply #15 Saturday, November 22, 2003 1:35 PM
Reply #15 Saturday, November 22, 2003 1:35 PM
Well it can't be me... I'm not a professional in any sense of the word.
Sorry to hear about your rough treatment Z71. You're not alone in being frustrated by the attitudes of others when it comes to ports.
In response to whoever it was that said a skinner should always reply to a request, I agree that it would be nice in a ideal world. Unfortunately, as Z71 has pointed out, some people simply don't like to or want to take no for an answer. I have actually stopped sending responses to people when I don't agree to their particular port because I too have been subject to some pretty choice words over the past couple of years. I now only respond when I like what someone's done and want to give permission. It's a shame that I have to ignore the majority because of the actions of the few, but it makes life so much easier.
Sorry to hear about your rough treatment Z71. You're not alone in being frustrated by the attitudes of others when it comes to ports.
In response to whoever it was that said a skinner should always reply to a request, I agree that it would be nice in a ideal world. Unfortunately, as Z71 has pointed out, some people simply don't like to or want to take no for an answer. I have actually stopped sending responses to people when I don't agree to their particular port because I too have been subject to some pretty choice words over the past couple of years. I now only respond when I like what someone's done and want to give permission. It's a shame that I have to ignore the majority because of the actions of the few, but it makes life so much easier.
craeonics
Reply #16 Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:13 PM
Reply #16 Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:13 PM
Z71: Ah well, look at the bright side. Looks like you have some fans, my man. Them being disappointed and all doesn't matter, they wanted to port you, so they're fans.
XX
Reply #17 Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:43 PM
Reply #17 Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:43 PM
Wow. There's always some that expect everyone to say 'yes' to whatever they ask and get angry when reality clashes with thier view.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #18 Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:45 PM
Reply #18 Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:45 PM
It's very disappointing to hear of someone being treated with this kind of disrespect. I hope the person responsible feels suitably guilty.
An apology to Z71 would go a long way to making amends.
[Message Edited]
An apology to Z71 would go a long way to making amends.
[Message Edited]
neophil78
Reply #19 Saturday, November 22, 2003 5:19 PM
neophil would also love to know who this 'professional' skinner is .............
P.S: how to u type in colour ???
Reply #19 Saturday, November 22, 2003 5:19 PM
| Koasati would love to know who this 'profession' skinner is.............. |
neophil would also love to know who this 'professional' skinner is .............
P.S: how to u type in colour ???
Drop125
Reply #20 Sunday, November 23, 2003 3:02 PM
Reply #20 Sunday, November 23, 2003 3:02 PM
I thought porting a skin meant you only made it "work" in another app.LIke Style XP to WB or the other way around..If so why would someone redo the "graphics" on a porting job...Woldnt that be sort of like cheating????Just courius..
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Reply #1 Friday, November 21, 2003 9:56 PM