Micheal Jackson..Your thoughts?
Wednesday, November 19, 2003 by digital_k | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Well I am reading on CNN that MJ will be turning himself in tomorow morning(Thursday). I have a relative who's a Sheriff's Deputy and he tells me the raid had to be done because of very substantial evidence,no guessing games at all. Maybe he is guilty, maybe he was the last time. Interesting to see how it will play out. What do you think?
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IPlural
Reply #143 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:31 AM
Reply #143 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:31 AM
I notified the KoC web site and the IRC chat operators of the spamming...
kona0197
Reply #144 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:33 AM
Reply #144 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:33 AM
good. now if we can just see who this person really is!
Chi Chi Rodriguez
Reply #146 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:05 AM
Reply #146 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:05 AM
Please dont associate a sick man or pedophilia with homosexuality. Its insulting. And please dont associate Bush with God either. Its insulting.
Remember the 8th commandment.
RESPECT
Remember the 8th commandment.
RESPECT
kona0197
Reply #147 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:10 AM
some do not believe in the commandments or the bible.
point being, respect thoses people as well.
Reply #147 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:10 AM
| Remember the 8th commandment. |
some do not believe in the commandments or the bible.
point being, respect thoses people as well.
Tech-Cat
Reply #148 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:10 AM
Reply #148 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:10 AM
I don't consider a consentual relationship between a man and a man and an adult male molesting a child as the same thing, but I do wonder if pedophiles are born pedophiles just as homosexuals are born homosexuals.
kona0197
Reply #149 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:11 AM
homosexuals are NOT born homosexauls. that is something that is learned, not born with.
Reply #149 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:11 AM
| but I do wonder if pedophiles are born pedophiles just as homosexuals are born homosexuals. |
homosexuals are NOT born homosexauls. that is something that is learned, not born with.
Chi Chi Rodriguez
Reply #150 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:14 AM
Reply #150 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:14 AM
Wether you believe or not, the commandments do have a lot of reason behind them. My statement wasnt religous in nature, only of origin.
btw the 8th commandment reads:
THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR.
AKA Gossip - Slander - Lying - Defamation of Character - Hating
btw the 8th commandment reads:
THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR.
AKA Gossip - Slander - Lying - Defamation of Character - Hating
kona0197
Reply #151 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:16 AM
Reply #151 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:16 AM
hey - I am a believer and a cgristain so no need to preach to me!
back to topic!
back to topic!
Chi Chi Rodriguez
Reply #153 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:25 AM
Reply #153 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:25 AM
How do you know, are you gay? Are you omniscient? Id really like to ask you some questions if you are.
There is scientific evidence proving both sides of the nature vs nurture argument. The most likely explaination is that its both. Many people are born with predispositions towards certain behavior, THATS A FACT. Many people are taught certain behavior, THATS A FACT. In either case, there is no obvious reason for people to be gay, they simply are. If it is a learned behavior, its too deeply ingrained into a persons habitual thought process to change without serious negative side effects. If its a born in trait, then there is no way of changing it without altering a persons genetic structure or anatomy. But then that brings up more touchy subjects.
My point remains the same though. Leave the judging to be done by the pros. Justice will be done...eventually.
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There is scientific evidence proving both sides of the nature vs nurture argument. The most likely explaination is that its both. Many people are born with predispositions towards certain behavior, THATS A FACT. Many people are taught certain behavior, THATS A FACT. In either case, there is no obvious reason for people to be gay, they simply are. If it is a learned behavior, its too deeply ingrained into a persons habitual thought process to change without serious negative side effects. If its a born in trait, then there is no way of changing it without altering a persons genetic structure or anatomy. But then that brings up more touchy subjects.
My point remains the same though. Leave the judging to be done by the pros. Justice will be done...eventually.
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EventHorizon
Reply #154 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:42 AM
Reply #154 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:42 AM
Chi Chi:
This is not the place to be discussing that topic. Either start your own thread... (I would advise against that) ...Or accept the fact that people will not always agree with you and carry on with life.
Kona, dont feed the fire.
This is not the place to be discussing that topic. Either start your own thread... (I would advise against that) ...Or accept the fact that people will not always agree with you and carry on with life.
Kona, dont feed the fire.
Chi Chi Rodriguez
Reply #155 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:00 AM
Reply #155 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:00 AM
My original point was that mj is entitled to fair judgement. Perfectly on topic. My religous reference was mainly targeted at all the "false witness" against mj. And my last post was aimed at the assumption that mj could be born the way he is. I believe this thread was started for my thoughts, i didnt ask for agreement, nor did i ask for another argument to be brought up. Im merely stating my point of view. RESPECT. Thats my point!
I DONT ASK FOR AGREEMENT AND I DONT ASK ACCEPTANCE. I wont say anything more in this thread if people find my mere opinion so threatening that I need to be advised to not speak my mind.
I DONT ASK FOR AGREEMENT AND I DONT ASK ACCEPTANCE. I wont say anything more in this thread if people find my mere opinion so threatening that I need to be advised to not speak my mind.
EventHorizon
Reply #156 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:08 AM
Reply #156 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:08 AM
There is nothing wrong with stating that MJ deserves a 'fair trial' (provided you are direct and to-the-point) but, carring on about homosexuality is off topic...
Chi Chi Rodriguez
Reply #157 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:22 AM
Reply #157 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:22 AM
I think youre still confused about my posts, I will be more than happy to elaborate. Perhaps youre not reading my topic close enough and associating it too closely with previous topics. My 3rd post was in response to techcats post about MJ being born as a pedophile and only the first line was to kona. I can understand the confusion there. I hope I clarified my intentions sufficiently.
EventHorizon
Reply #158 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:36 AM
Reply #158 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:36 AM
I believe I see...
I do suggest you learn to use the 'Q' (as in quote) button.
I do suggest you learn to use the 'Q' (as in quote) button.
Chi Chi Rodriguez
Reply #159 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:43 AM
Reply #159 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:43 AM
Im glad you understand. Ill be sure to look into that quicktime Q button next time. Things like this happen all too much. Anyways, back on topic now please....
My public opinions aside, i dont think mikey is getting out of this one.
My public opinions aside, i dont think mikey is getting out of this one.
SelfExiled
Reply #160 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:53 AM
Reply #160 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:53 AM
1. Homosexuals are not born that way. They are born a man or a woman. Homosexuality is a choosen sexuality. Whether one is conditioned to continue that behavior does not mean they are born that way. No one has found a homosexuality gene. That is ridiculous. Someone can be born a herione addict, but as they grow, it becomes a choice.
2. No one is born a pedophile either. It is a Psychological abnormailty caused by childhood trauma or other such trauma or psychologial abnormality. Homosexuals and pedophiles are similar abnormal behaviors. It is common that some male homosexuals like children sexually too. It is sick and needs to be treated. Unfortunately, homosexuality is accepted instead of being treated. Thank god that pedophilia isn't accepted. If MJ is a pedophile, then he needs treatment. I believe that such abnormal behavior is a condition of our society. The problem with MJ may have been that his condition was ignored instead of diagnosed. If he is even a pedophile, which may be true. If it is, he needs help, not condemnation, not persecution, not "stringing up".
2. No one is born a pedophile either. It is a Psychological abnormailty caused by childhood trauma or other such trauma or psychologial abnormality. Homosexuals and pedophiles are similar abnormal behaviors. It is common that some male homosexuals like children sexually too. It is sick and needs to be treated. Unfortunately, homosexuality is accepted instead of being treated. Thank god that pedophilia isn't accepted. If MJ is a pedophile, then he needs treatment. I believe that such abnormal behavior is a condition of our society. The problem with MJ may have been that his condition was ignored instead of diagnosed. If he is even a pedophile, which may be true. If it is, he needs help, not condemnation, not persecution, not "stringing up".
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Reply #141 Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:23 AM