New GSM phone cannot be tapped.
Tuesday, November 18, 2003 by MadIce | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
The end of the telecommunications interception age?
"Strong, verifiable and trustworthy voice encryption in every mobile smartphone and PDA will be as common as IPSec is today in even the cheapest DSL router boxes. The progress of technology finally provides the individual with the necessary means to take care of its privacy rights. Widespread wiretapping and privacy violations are currently threatening the business environment, civil liberties and the very future of democratic societies."
"There seems to be no realistic way to stem by political process alone the current flood of intrusive communication surveillance. Now the technical means for strong cryptographic protection of voice privacy are available also to the not technical inclined users."
http://madice.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=1209
"Strong, verifiable and trustworthy voice encryption in every mobile smartphone and PDA will be as common as IPSec is today in even the cheapest DSL router boxes. The progress of technology finally provides the individual with the necessary means to take care of its privacy rights. Widespread wiretapping and privacy violations are currently threatening the business environment, civil liberties and the very future of democratic societies."
"There seems to be no realistic way to stem by political process alone the current flood of intrusive communication surveillance. Now the technical means for strong cryptographic protection of voice privacy are available also to the not technical inclined users."
http://madice.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=1209
MadIce
Reply #2 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:31 AM
Reply #2 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:31 AM
Indeed. But no cute colored covers. 
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Erk.
Reply #3 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:37 AM
Reply #3 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:37 AM
"The phone will not be exported to countries declared "evil" by the German government, such as Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lybia and North Korea."
One Wonders how long it will take for them to get their hands on them though....
One Wonders how long it will take for them to get their hands on them though....
MadIce
Reply #4 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:39 AM
Reply #4 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:39 AM
#3: I don't think that this phone will make much of a difference. This is not the only way of secure communication.
Erk.
Reply #5 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:56 AM
Reply #5 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:56 AM
http://archive.aclu.org/echelonwatch/highlights.html
Can't say I blame them for bringing it out though.... talk about big brother!
Can't say I blame them for bringing it out though.... talk about big brother!
Styl-X Design
Reply #6 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:05 AM
Reply #6 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:05 AM
"The phone will not be exported to countries declared "evil" by the German government, such as Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lybia and North Korea."
Gee, wonder what why germany CAN use it themself tought... Both world wars germany was involved... (and yes, I know I get trouble with this )
Gee, wonder what why germany CAN use it themself tought... Both world wars germany was involved... (and yes, I know I get trouble with this
)
MadIce
Reply #7 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:44 AM
Reply #7 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:44 AM
Don't forget the cool things we have done, Styl. Remember the slave ships we have built? How about the VOC? Not sure, but WWII was over very fast for the Dutch, wouldn't you say so?
The German government is not the same as the ones they used to have in those World Wars. Same goes for us. Last time I checked it was illegal to trade slaves.
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The German government is not the same as the ones they used to have in those World Wars. Same goes for us. Last time I checked it was illegal to trade slaves.
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joetheblow
Reply #8 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:53 AM
Reply #8 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:53 AM
It needs a cute cover otherwise it won't sell... at least for home users.
Now for businesses that is another story.
Good story.
joetheblow selects insightful for story
Now for businesses that is another story.
Good story.
joetheblow selects insightful for story
bakerstreet
Reply #9 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:08 AM
Reply #9 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:08 AM
"The phone will not be exported to countries declared "evil" by the German government, such as Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lybia and North Korea."
, and Russia had no intention of selling GPS jammers to Iraq, either. Forbid the sale and that just makes the price higher and *guarantees* that middlemen will smuggle them off to wherever you don't want them. On the bright side, at least the mafia won't have to invent stupid codes.
"You gonna be there?"
"Where?"
"You know, there..."
"Oh, yeah, I'll be there."
"You'll bring the... the shirts"
"OH, yeah, I'll have the shirts wit me."
"Don't forget the bullets for the shirts."
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, and Russia had no intention of selling GPS jammers to Iraq, either. Forbid the sale and that just makes the price higher and *guarantees* that middlemen will smuggle them off to wherever you don't want them. On the bright side, at least the mafia won't have to invent stupid codes."You gonna be there?"
"Where?"
"You know, there..."
"Oh, yeah, I'll be there."
"You'll bring the... the shirts"
"OH, yeah, I'll have the shirts wit me."
"Don't forget the bullets for the shirts."
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Styl-X Design
Reply #10 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:32 AM @ Bakerstreet
MadIce, yeah I know, the VOC wasn't THAT bad, I know they did some 'bad' things (some general killed the hole population of a little eiland) But still, you cant compare those times.
Reply #10 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:32 AM
@ BakerstreetMadIce, yeah I know, the VOC wasn't THAT bad, I know they did some 'bad' things (some general killed the hole population of a little eiland) But still, you cant compare those times.
Styl-X Design
Reply #11 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:33 AM
Reply #11 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:33 AM
btw, diffrend government huh? Das that mean that if 'pim fortuyn' was still alive we also werent allowed to get them? (We shouldn't IMO)
(We shouldn't IMO)
MadIce
Reply #12 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:04 PM
Reply #12 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:04 PM
Remember, we are talking about a simple GSM phone. If that phone was produced in any other country, that country would have to deal with export regulations just Germany. What do you guys want? That the Wassenaar treaty was never signed by countries like Germany?
Like the US most countries has its declarations like that. It has nothing to do with GSM phones. BTW: Do you recognize any similarities between what Germany and what the US views as "evil"?
Pim Fortuyn was a politician who was shot by a lunatic. He didn't make it, Styl. So what are you talking about?
Like the US most countries has its declarations like that. It has nothing to do with GSM phones. BTW: Do you recognize any similarities between what Germany and what the US views as "evil"?
Pim Fortuyn was a politician who was shot by a lunatic. He didn't make it, Styl. So what are you talking about?
MadIce
Reply #13 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:06 PM
Reply #13 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:06 PM
Remember, we are talking about a simple GSM phone. If that phone was produced in any other country, that country would have to deal with export regulations just like Germany. What do you guys want? That the Wassenaar treaty was never signed?
Like the US most countries has its declarations like that. It has nothing to do with GSM phones. BTW: Do you recognize any similarities between what Germany and what the US views as "evil"?
Pim Fortuyn was a politician who was shot by a lunatic. He didn't make it, Styl. So what are you talking about?
Like the US most countries has its declarations like that. It has nothing to do with GSM phones. BTW: Do you recognize any similarities between what Germany and what the US views as "evil"?
Pim Fortuyn was a politician who was shot by a lunatic. He didn't make it, Styl. So what are you talking about?
MadIce
Reply #14 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:09 PM
Reply #14 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:09 PM
You know what is interesting? I can see the number of posts in this thread increasing, but I cannot view my posts.
MadIce
Reply #15 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 5:16 PM
Reply #15 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 5:16 PM
OK. Let's try again. I tried to post here, but the message board was a bit confused. Let's hope my answer doesn't turn up for the third time.
Several countries, including Germany, signed export agreements. One of those was called the Wassenaar Agreement (I think). Treaties like these are used for export regulations and restrictions. You'll also notice that countries which Germany declared "evil" are also the ones that the US doesn't like very much. Because the product was munufactured in Germany that country is responsible for dealing with those regulations. If the product was made in the US then the US was responsible for that and the US would regulate the export of that device. There is nothing strange about it.
Styl: Pim Fortuyn was shot by a lunatic. With all respect, but Pim has little to do with it.
And about our past. Is this your romantic view of our past? http://sahistory.org.za/pages/specialprojects/voc/voc.htm
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Let's hope my answer doesn't turn up for the third time. Several countries, including Germany, signed export agreements. One of those was called the Wassenaar Agreement (I think). Treaties like these are used for export regulations and restrictions. You'll also notice that countries which Germany declared "evil" are also the ones that the US doesn't like very much. Because the product was munufactured in Germany that country is responsible for dealing with those regulations. If the product was made in the US then the US was responsible for that and the US would regulate the export of that device. There is nothing strange about it.
Styl: Pim Fortuyn was shot by a lunatic. With all respect, but Pim has little to do with it.
And about our past. Is this your romantic view of our past? http://sahistory.org.za/pages/specialprojects/voc/voc.htm
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Styl-X Design
Reply #16 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 5:28 PM
Reply #16 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 5:28 PM
"March 20, 1602" well, that isn't too long ago
Doomgaze
Reply #18 Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:39 PM
Reply #18 Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:39 PM
don't ever say "cannot" when dealing with security
because someone will make a fool out of you.
because someone will make a fool out of you.
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Reply #1 Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:26 AM