Latest Patch Tuesday Update for W11 Causing BSODs, Black Screen, Buggy Teams, Discord, etc.

Seems related to removal of .Net 3.5 framework

Wednesday, May 11, 2022 by DrJBHL | Discussion: Personal Computing

The update for Windows 11 21H2 this month is designated KB5013943 and will take your system to OS Build 22000.675.

If it doesn't screw your computer up first.  

Were I you, I'd put off getting this Patch Tuesday update for a while...at least until MS can fix it.

Neowin has published regarding patch KB5013943 and its associated problems today and thanks to Hankers tipping me off, you might just avoid some problems.

You can read about the issues in the article linked above. Apparently reinstalling .Net framework 3.5 solved the problems for some, but this isn't an official fix, and it didn't fix the Event Viewer.

Forewarned is forearmed...thanks, Hank.  

*edit: PhoenixRising1 has also found an excellent link regarding this MS patch at Bleeping Computer. Thanks, PhoenixRising1!  

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operator33
Reply #1 Wednesday, May 11, 2022 12:19 PM

i have KB5013943 + .net updates installed and have no problem, some works fine

DrJBHL
Reply #2 Wednesday, May 11, 2022 1:05 PM

operator33

i have KB5013943 + .net updates installed and have no problem, some works fine

Glad you weren't adversly affected...but apparently, many were.

operator33
Reply #3 Wednesday, May 11, 2022 1:21 PM

DrJBHL


Quoting operator33,

i have KB5013943 + .net updates installed and have no problem, some works fine



Glad you weren't adversly affected...but apparently, many were.

only do so if you are confident and/or competent...

fix the known .net Framework problems in command

dism /online /enable-feature /featurename:netfx3 /all
dism /online /enable-feature /featurename:WCF-HTTP-Activation
dism /online /enable-feature /featurename:WCF-NonHTTP-Activation

DrJBHL
Reply #4 Wednesday, May 11, 2022 2:03 PM

operator33

command

dism /online /enable-feature /featurename:netfx3 /all
dism /online /enable-feature /featurename:WCF-HTTP-Activation
dism /online /enable-feature /featurename:WCF-NonHTTP-Activation


Where is that from? I'm aquainted with dism, but the rest...is it from any source, or was it tried on the problem in the post? Did you find it on the net?

operator33
Reply #5 Wednesday, May 11, 2022 4:50 PM

DrJBHL


Quoting operator33,

command

dism /online /enable-feature /featurename:netfx3 /all
dism /online /enable-feature /featurename:WCF-HTTP-Activation
dism /online /enable-feature /featurename:WCF-NonHTTP-Activation




Where is that from? I'm aquainted with dism, but the rest...is it from any source, or was it tried on the problem in the post? Did you find it on the net?

KB5013943 / KB5012643 Windows 11 Issues with .NET Framework 3.5 Applications [Workaround]

Did you find it on the net?     yes

Jafo
Reply #6 Wednesday, May 11, 2022 9:39 PM

Good to see that the creator of an OS still cannot get it right.

Makes me all warm and fuzzy....

Daiwa
Reply #7 Wednesday, May 11, 2022 9:50 PM

SS, DD.

DrJBHL
Reply #8 Wednesday, May 11, 2022 10:50 PM


Good to see that the creator of an OS still cannot get it right.

Makes me all warm and fuzzy....

And people ask me why I haven't upgraded to W11.  

Daiwa

SS, DD.

Indeed, my friend, it's the new norm.  

operator33

KB5013943 / KB5012643 Windows 11 Issues with .NET Framework 3.5 Applications [Workaround]

Did you find it on the net? yes

Not trying to give you a hard time, but where on the net, operator 33? Did that script also fix the event log viewer? 

PhoenixRising1
Reply #9 Thursday, May 12, 2022 1:29 AM

DrJBHL

Not trying to give you a hard time, but where on the net, operator 33? Did that script also fix the event log viewer? 
 

I found the source doc..

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-11-kb5013943-update-causes-0xc0000135-application-errors/

It is towards the bottom.

I have been playing on the beta Channel of Windows 11 and have become best friends with the "go back to previous build" button. That tends to be the best fix alot of the times.

DrJBHL
Reply #10 Thursday, May 12, 2022 1:50 AM

PhoenixRising1

I have been playing on the beta channel of Windows 11 and have become best friends with the "go back to previous build" button. That tends to be the best fix a lot of the time.

Thanks, PhoenixRising1.

I appreciate the effort. I was concerned because posting a script can cause problems if it's not been curated/checked out.

The Bleeping Computer link is excellent, btw.  

Just be careful about rolling back as you'll remove the security updates...tossing the baby with the bath water, so to speak.

PhoenixRising1
Reply #11 Thursday, May 12, 2022 2:36 AM

DrJBHL

Appreciate the effort. I was concerned because posting a script can cause problems if it's not been curated/checked out.

I totally agree, that is why I looked. The net can be a dangerous place and pcs are expensive. It is always good to make sure you are getting info from somewhere credible and or reliable.

DrJBHL

Just be careful about rolling back as you'll remove the security updates...tossing the baby with the bath water.

True enough. I suppose the dev/beta channel is a different animal. Updates on that channel come weekly so missing one week is not as big of a deal compared to a whole month.

The funny thing is, I have seen some people 6 months or more behind on their windows updates. That is how the real mischief spreads.

DrJBHL
Reply #12 Thursday, May 12, 2022 5:43 AM

PhoenixRising1

I totally agree, that is why I looked. The net can be a dangerous place and pcs are expensive. It is always good to make sure you are getting info from somewhere credible and or reliable.

Precisely. Interestingly enough, there's a post about getting the 0xc0000135 error opening Fences. The poster is on W11 and just did the MSPT update. I credited you with the Bleeping Computer link to fix it.

operator33
Reply #13 Thursday, May 12, 2022 8:29 AM

PhoenixRising1

 
I totally agree, that is why I looked. The net can be a dangerous place and pcs are expensive. It is always good to make sure you are getting info from somewhere credible and or reliable.

some things are wrong, the internet is only dangerous because the person sitting in front of the screen does not evaluate what he makes. Computers are no longer expensive, at least in countries where you earn well. you should always have a current backup of your hard drive with the operating system so you have the security to restore everything quickly and easily. the script only turns on the .net settings that were disabled by the updates, it can also be undone if you replace enable by disable. who does not know what he is doing should never do something he does not understand, no matter from whom and from what source. just by the way the link is not my source, but the content is the same.

naroon1
Reply #14 Thursday, May 12, 2022 8:44 AM

Updated all 4 of my SSDs yesterday, Both Win 11 Enterprise Editions updated without any faults, checked some of the apps listed above and they start without error. This morning my main SSD (Win11 E) whilst playing X265 Videos shows a black screen, probably not connected as i was doing some other stuff as well. Did have one issue with one of my Win 10 SSDs, During the update process, all 3 update files seemed to freeze and not progress beyond half way, turned out to just be a Win 10 bug, took a risky punt of re starting even though it seemed stuck half way and it turned out to just be a Win 10 thing.

All seems well now on all 4 SSDs, will report back later if and when anything happens.

naroon1
Reply #15 Thursday, May 12, 2022 8:56 AM

operator33


Quoting PhoenixRising1,



 

I totally agree, that is why I looked. The net can be a dangerous place and pcs are expensive. It is always good to make sure you are getting info from somewhere credible and or reliable.




some things are wrong, the internet is only dangerous because the person sitting in front of the screen does not evaluate what he makes. Computers are no longer expensive, at least in countries where you earn well. you should always have a current backup of your hard drive with the operating system so you have the security to restore everything quickly and easily. the script only turns on the .net settings that were disabled by the updates, it can also be undone if you replace enable by disable. who does not know what he is doing should never do something he does not understand, no matter from whom and from what source. just by the way the link is not my source, but the content is the same.

Experience has taught me to Back Up, Back Up and Back Up, as recovery from major issues can be a long drawn out thing, losing all sorts of valuable Data etc.. Or it can be a simple as making a Back Up , in my case Macrium Reflect, which restores everything in around 8 minutes, up and running just like before any issues .

To say Computers are not expensive is an abject term, depending who you ask, some peeps struggle to buy one mid spec PC, others have several of all flavours. I too have a good paying job, but would not want the expense of buying another right now .

It comes down to, If you are not sure about doing something that maybe goes beyond your Skillset, make sure you have a full and complete Back Up solution ready to go, so much easier than the other "lose everything Route" if things go Belly Up.

operator33
Reply #16 Thursday, May 12, 2022 9:14 AM

DrJBHL


Quoting PhoenixRising1,

I have been playing on the beta channel of Windows 11 and have become best friends with the "go back to previous build" button. That tends to be the best fix a lot of the time.



Thanks, PhoenixRising1.

I appreciate the effort. I was concerned because posting a script can cause problems if it's not been curated/checked out.

The Bleeping Computer link is excellent, btw.  

Just be careful about rolling back as you'll remove the security updates...tossing the baby with the bath water, so to speak.

only do so if you are confident and/or competent...

the script only turns on the .net settings that were disabled by the updates, it can also be undone if you replace enable by disable. who does not know what he is doing should never do something he does not understand, no matter from whom and from what source. just by the way the link is not my source, but the content is the same.

or use

  1. Open Windows Search.
  2. Search “Turn Windows features on or off“.
  3. Disable and enable all .NET frameworks.

or use
KB5013943 uninstall

  1. Open Settings.
  2. Click on Windows Update.
  3. Click the Update history page.
  4. Locate Uninstall updates option under the “Related settings” section.
  5. Select the update.
  6. Click on Uninstall.
  7. Reboot.

 

Jafo
Reply #17 Thursday, May 12, 2022 10:46 AM

operator33

the script only turns on the .net settings that were disabled by the updates, it can also be undone if you replace enable by disable. who does not know what he is doing should never do something he does not understand, no matter from whom and from what source. just by the way the link is not my source, but the content is the same.

operator33....hi...

The issue Stardock has with people posting scripts/coding/bat files/etc on our sites/forums is they are not considered safe for distribution unless their source is verified....and/or tested.

We have a responsibility to our users [7.2 million of them] to ensure that nothing 'dangerous' is posted.

It does not matter that both you and I [and others] may be confident and capable of understanding risk potential [with backup], what is important is protecting those who may be naive or unaware, the sort who see a big red button that says 'Do NOT Press' but cannot help themselves to try it.

Any time someone posts a batch file or script, or suggests a registry edit it is only appropriate to warn people to only do so if they are confident and/or competent...

DrJBHL
Reply #18 Thursday, May 12, 2022 10:56 AM

naroon1

Experience has taught me to Back Up, Back Up and Back Up, as recovery from major issues can be a long drawn out thing, losing all sorts of valuable Data etc.. Or it can be a simple as making a Back Up , in my case Macrium Reflect, which restores everything in around 8 minutes, up and running just like before any issues .

Absolutely. Can't even begin to count the number of times I've given this advice.

 

DrJBHL
Reply #19 Thursday, May 12, 2022 11:06 AM



 

operator33....hi...

The issue Stardock has with people posting scripts/coding/bat files/etc on our sites/forums is they are not considered safe for distribution unless their source is verified....and/or tested.

We have a responsibility to our users [7.2 million of them] to ensure that nothing 'dangerous' is posted.

It does not matter that both you and I [and others] may be confident and capable of understanding risk potential [with backup], what is important is protecting those who may be naive or unaware, the sort who see a big red button that says 'Do NOT Press' but cannot help themselves to try it.

Any time someone posts a batch file or script, or suggests a registry edit it is only appropriate to warn people to only do so if they are confident and/or competent...

That.

naroon1
Reply #20 Thursday, May 12, 2022 12:14 PM

DrJBHL


Quoting naroon1,

Experience has taught me to Back Up, Back Up and Back Up, as recovery from major issues can be a long drawn out thing, losing all sorts of valuable Data etc.. Or it can be a simple as making a Back Up , in my case Macrium Reflect, which restores everything in around 8 minutes, up and running just like before any issues .



Absolutely. Can't even begin to count the number of times I've given this advice.

 

Hi Doc, hope you are well.

Would you believe before a couple of years ago, all my backups were on spare Hard Drives, nothing complicated just the the most important stuff or my personal stuff, Windows installations, i keep on several usb Pen drives, all Editions available. Then i took the leap of faith and tried something new or new to me, played about with various Backup apps to see what suited me best. Now i use Macruim Reflect, it is fast, reliable and does all i need it too, now i have all 4 SSDs fully backed up with full images and rescue Pen Drives just in case. Now i can experiment with anything i want in as many ways as i want. Do i recommend others do the same , Hell No, i consider myself an IT Pro who has been around the IT block a bit.

The Basics

Back Up after any important change depending on your usage (For me that will be weekly unless i am experimenting and if so before making those changes)

Never do something your skillset can not get you out of, we all have to start somewhere, so start small, read up on what you want to do taking info from several sources, then if you are happy have a go.

Never mess around with your everyday Computer or Hard Drive, if at all possible, use a spare PC or laptop, failing that consider buying a spare Hard Drive or SSD, the smaller sized Drives have become very cheap these days, add the second drive to your desktop or swap one for one in your laptop, keeping your "Use Daily Drive safe". If it all goes wrong, you still have your daily use Drive intact and fully functional.

In this forum as in others, we can not all agree on when to install updates, some like me install as they come in, others wait months until they are sure about how the update affects there system, there are ups and down in both ways, all we know for sure is MS gets it wrong often, yes they get it right too as Millions of peeps use Windows in one form or another without issues connected to updates.

Keep giving out that good advice Doc, even if you think you have said it over and over. Every newbie you tell is one less freaked out peep if the shite hits the fan.

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