I know it is a TOUCHY subject but..
Wednesday, October 22, 2003 by kona0197 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
http://www.msnbc.com/news/983016.asp
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Reply #42 Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:13 AM
Reply #43 Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:55 AM
BakerStreet, same here. I have worked three years in a camp for handicapped children. Plus 8 years in a hospital.
Anyway. Fact remains though. There are such things as ultrasounds and other tests to detect those anomalities in babies, and in am happy that in Canada, it's still the mother's choice to terminate or not such a pregnancy. Good for you if in the US you won't be able to.
I'm happy in my country and you'll be happy in yours. All is for the best.
Reply #44 Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:55 AM
This can be ended in 2 words : WOMAN'S CHOICE, or
3 words, if you are picky : ALWAYS woman's choice.
Done
Sajuuk
Reply #45 Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:32 AM
Reply #47 Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:58 PM
I am personally pro-life (for myself). I never took the tests when I was pregnant to find out if my child could possibly have a birth defect so that I would have the "option" of terminating the pregnancy.
However, that said, I am pro-choice. You can wonder how that can be? I don't think that I have the right to say what another woman does with her body.
But, I never saw partial birth abortions as a pro-life or pro-choice situation. It doesn't fit in the realm of anything but murder. It also was never legalized in all states. Most states had a cesarean surgical procedure, but not this. Has anyone actually read how one of these are done? They half deliver the child (legs and torso) then puncture the skull and drain the babies brain. Sorry, but that does not fit in the same category as aborting a 12 week old fetus.
The law does still allow for medical procedures to be performed if the mother is risking death. *But* it also states that the Doctor has to prove that it was the only option.
There has only been once in my life that I have ever heard of this type of procedure being necessary for both the mother and child. But, that was a C-section procedure. My best friend's Aunt started her family when she was in her 40's. Her first child was fine. About 5 months into her second pregnancy she got very sick and realized that her baby was not doing well, either. After many tests they found out that the baby had an extreme case of Downs syndrome, and that it's internal organs were growing on the outside of its body. The baby would not live if it made it full term, so the best answer for both was to abort it. She didn't try to have another baby after that because she had a feeling that she just shouldn't.
In all, I totally agree with this law. It's not outlawing abortion- it's outlawing a very cruel procedure that looks a bit too much like murder in my eyes.
Reply #48 Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:24 PM
If that's the case,then the article doesn't explain it very well. I was under the impression that the bill was about outlawing ANY form of procedure that could kill the baby any time after the first trimester and before the birth. I didn't know it was about a very particular procedure that consists of puncturiung the brain of the half-born baby.
Maybe I didn't read right. I must improve my reading skills.
Reply #49 Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:30 PM
I want to thank you for educating me a little more on the subject...I had no idea that the issue surrounded "partial birth". I suppose I had better start paying a little more attention the the entire issue instead of just reading "headlines"
Again...how utterly barbaric!!
Reply #50 Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:58 PM
For everyone else except Rape victims and medical situations, Responsibility is the answer. If you get a woman pregeant, you should marry her and give her baby, a father, a mother and a family unit. I feel sorry for these single mothers who have to take all the responsibility for the rest of their lives(except the crack mothers). If you can't get along with the mother, use birth control and stop thinking about your own five seconds of pleasure. If you did use birth control and it didn't work, too bad. You put it there, and enjoyed it, now you have to take responsibility for your actions. The other solution would solve the problem completely. Abstinence. Can't do that, you stud? Take RESPONSIBILITY
Reply #51 Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:03 PM
| And sterilization should be incorporated. Especially for these crack smoking mothers who have six children to get welfare and the poor babies are born addicts with mental problems. One crack baby and she loses her ability to infect children and steal from society to support her drug habit. |
What a nice stereotypical racist description!
Perhaps 'crack mothers' should be just 'eliminated' before they give birth?
"Hey! Guess what? You're a pregnant crack whore!! Bang!!"
Problem solved.
Maybe too many people are making too much money out of drugs for a real hard edged drive on the real source of the trouble?
The procedure as described by Karma (G'Day Angie!) is not unusual in a certain Asian country where the law allows one child only per 'family' .... but it is extreme.
More disturbing is the way female babies are not valued by the same society and often are eliminated at birth.
Reply #52 Friday, October 24, 2003 12:31 AM
I would have never guessed.
*sigh*
Reply #53 Friday, October 24, 2003 12:55 AM
I feel kinda sorry for you, that you need this kind of stuff to get off.
Reply #54 Friday, October 24, 2003 1:28 AM
There was nothing racist in my remarks. Where did you hear a racist statement? Crack Mothers? They can be black or white. Real source of the problem? How about the crack smoking mothers? Or maybe you prefer that we support their habit so that they can give birth to more addicted babies with mental problems."eliminated" and "pregeant crack whore" are not words that I choose to use. I just don't think its right for society to continually have to pay for their drug use. Most of all, I don't think its right for their poor children to be born addicts. Did you ever see a newborn crying for drugs? It's sad.
Reply #55 Friday, October 24, 2003 1:40 AM
Reply #56 Friday, October 24, 2003 1:45 AM
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Reply #57 Friday, October 24, 2003 1:46 AM
Reply #58 Friday, October 24, 2003 1:49 AM
Who said anything about shooting anyone? Not me. What's wrong with Sterilization of crack mothers who continually give birth to crack babies? Or maybe you have no sympathy for their babies and future babies who have to suffer serious withdrawals for nothing they have done wrong.
Reply #59 Friday, October 24, 2003 1:54 AM
Reply #60 Friday, October 24, 2003 1:55 AM
you, must NOT have any children!
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Reply #41 Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:54 AM
Watch much MTV? I have seen a great many people with no handicaps that were barely autonomous. Say what you want, Paxx, but you won't be there to make sure people don't abuse the definition of what a 'miserable and unhappy' life will be. Imagine what the average 'stage mother' would consider 'miserable and unhappy'.
I think it is sickeningly funny that in a community of "artists" we can ponder viability in people who aren't the definitive healthy human.
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