I know its been said before but........................
Thursday, September 25, 2003 by Leo the Lion | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I find this little programme or piece of eye candy (however you view it) as a great addition to any desktop.
I know you can get them from other sites but lets face it vertually all the best skinners in the world are on this site and it is most probably the most visited site in the world for skinning.
I have seen some great Rainlendar skins over the time that i have been a member here and most have been made from artists that are members of this site.
Whats more - just take a look at a lot of peoples screenshots and desktops and you will see how popular it is.
I bet it would be far popular than some of the other libraries like Cool Player to name just one.
I would like to know what you other guys and gels think of this and perhaps if there is sufficient support than we can ask this to be considered at staff level by Wincustomize.
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Reply #142 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 6:09 AM
Reply #143 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 6:36 AM
Leo....re #133....it is a hell of a lot more important to respect and protect existing skins and their owners on this site than to suggest that we shove them aside with scant regard to appease a new vocal 'minority'.
When a new section is added it won't be at the expense of losing an existing one. It will simply be done as and when priorities allow.
It's important to be aware that if you add up EVERYONE who has ever posted a comment on this board, irrespective of preferences for or against something such as Rainlendar...this total is a tiny percentage of Wincustomize's User Base.
A poll can be 'fun' but sociology will tell you that it is never founded in reality, at least never accurate. Wording/slanting can control an outcome. Topicality can engender prejudice...
Re post #135.....'tact' is right....ya gotta have 'tact'....comes with the job description.... As I recall, Trillian has already been polled and came out as the popular choice...
Re post #136....Frogboy doesn't need to 'defend his products'....they haven't done anything wrong....
Leo....perhaps a little history lesson is in order....for a relatively new member apparently hell-bent on convincing the world to dance to a different tune. Before Wincustomize.com began, many skinners here had a history together on a site called skinz.org.....and on several others, some still present, some now absent. Awareness of skinning and its 'mechanics of industry/community/empire' have been experienced for many years, seeing many skins, skinners, and proggies come and go, for all sorts of reasons...and every site you can name has 'gone down' at one time or another...through all sorts of reasons....some of them simply through poor management and/or poor business model.
One of the 'ideals' of Wincustomize.com was it was to be a 'stable', reliable site to help guarantee the 'art-form's' existence/survival.
Nothing that is done, or decided to/for this site is done lightly, but [in spite of Moshi's opinion...
] is anguished over on a communal level, be it by inoccuous threads such as this one....or by comments bounced around between the 'senior' members of the site. None of us is deaf, you know.....we do listen...
Reply #144 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 8:42 AM
| Leo....re #133....it is a hell of a lot more important to respect and protect existing skins and their owners on this site than to suggest that we shove them aside with scant regard to appease a new vocal 'minority'. |
Did I say that......No.....Did I suggest that.....No......Did i imply that......NO i did not. My suggestion was to place them in an archive which is hardly disrespectful and furthermore it would maintain protection on the work and you could still allow access. Shall we say put gently to rest but treated with the respect and reverence they deserve. I am sounding like your local Padre now !!!!!
| When a new section is added it won't be at the expense of losing an existing one. It will simply be done as and when priorities allow. |
Fair enough, guvnor.
| It's important to be aware that if you add up EVERYONE who has ever posted a comment on this board, irrespective of preferences for or against something such as Rainlendar...this total is a tiny percentage of Wincustomize's User Base. |
I agree. The important thing is that people who wanted to voice an opinion have had their opportunity regardless of the outcome. We hoped to show the people that run Wincustomize that it would be a worthwhile venture in adding an new section for Rainlendar. It would appear we have failed and i/we will have to accept that.
I have to nip out now and i will debate your other points shortly
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Reply #145 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 9:15 AM
| A poll can be 'fun' but sociology will tell you that it is never founded in reality, at least never accurate. Wording/slanting can control an outcome. Topicality can engender prejudice... |
Totally agree. Hence why i did not put much emphasis on this aspect during our discussions. By the way i have tried to do a statistical analysis but as usual these can be manipulated in whichever direction you want them to show so i am going to avoid that route as that will not achieve anything.
| Re post #135.....'tact' is right....ya gotta have 'tact'....comes with the job description.... As I recall, Trillian has already been polled and came out as the popular choice... |
Tact.......And you got tons of it..........Ever fancied a proper job in PR - you are made for it. On the Trillian point i have checked out the home site and other aspects and i have to concede that both you and Brad are right. Trillian would appear to be "popular" and my guess is its going to get more popular.
Leo goes off to the kitchen to eat some "humble pie"
Back soon.Reply #146 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 9:51 AM
| Re post #136....Frogboy doesn't need to 'defend his products'....they haven't done anything wrong.... |
| Leo....perhaps a little history lesson is in order....for a relatively new member apparently hell-bent on convincing the world to dance to a different tune |
hell-bent on convincing the world to dance to a different a different tune???????? Don't think i really deserved that, do you Jafo.
All i asked for is consideration of a Rainlendar section and gave my reasons during the thread why i thought it was a good idea.
Your history lesson is well received and thank you for the insight. I am sure the site will go from strength to strength as a result.
Reply #147 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 9:57 AM
| All i asked for is consideration of a Rainlendar section and gave my reasons during the thread why i thought it was a good idea. |
And watched as biased people shot his ideas full of holes.
Reply #148 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 10:47 AM
| Nothing that is done, or decided to/for this site is done lightly, but [in spite of Moshi's opinion... ] is anguished over on a communal level, be it by inoccuous threads such as this one....or by comments bounced around between the 'senior' members of the site. None of us is deaf, you know.....we do listen... |
I am sure you are right but Brads imput made this hard to believe. I bet he has been under a lot of pressure recently with the new servers, server problems and DX2 making more ground and the last thing he wanted was some individual like me whinging about Rainlendar.
Finally, i have never entered into the DX2/Rainlendar side of this debate as i could see that this might cause trouble which was not my intention. For the record i have used DX2 and i like it and believe it has a great future but i really love complete matching suites of every prog on my Desktop and at the moment this is few and far between in DX2.
Its still early days for DX2 but i am sure Brad is on the right track even if it means pulling some of us kicking and screaming with him.
I still firmly believe that Rainlendar has a place within our community now and i would have liked to have seen it here even as a compromise with it being included together in the Sysmetrix section and renamed as such but i now accept that is unlikely to happen.
It is now time to move on and get on with something more constructive like my first Windowblinds skin. I have been playing with the idea and some of the aspects for the blind for some time and if its all feasible then it might just blow your minds. I still have got a long way to go and with a young family,a change of job in the new year and a move to the USA i have got my hands full. I am a padantic son of a bitch and Chad Ross's comments to me the other day was "Leo you are one of those people that likes their magazines placed slap bang in the middle of the coffee table, are'nt you".
Guess he's right.
Suffice to say that i have said enough on this thread/subject matter and it is now closed as far as i am concerned but i will happily respond to any comments placed on the thread as a matter of courtesy.
KG/Brad/Jafo - Ma'am/Boss/Guvnor - thank you for your patience.
Reply #149 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 11:00 AM
Reply #150 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 11:07 AM
| #136 by Leo the Lion - 10/1/2003 1:20:16 AM Kona.....How is he right???......From where i stand all Brad has done is given a "knee jerk" reaction and then launched into the defence of his products. |
Brad never gives a "knee jerk" reaction. You don't grow a successful company by doing so. If you think that *all* the skinning programs aren't discussed on a regular basis, then you are wrong. Skinning is our business. We watch the trends quite closely. We are not biased (as people keep saying) we simply do not see proof that it needs to be a section here. It's that simple. If it becomes extremely popular (ie: download counts grow dramatically at other sites) we'll discuss it. Trillian is very popular (I know many people personally that use it all day long) but even it hasn't been added yet.
Reply #151 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 11:11 AM
| #149 by Leo the Lion - 10/1/2003 11:00:20 AM <BR>Damn my manners.........nearly forgot......KG, Ma'am these are for you |
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Reply #152 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 11:33 AM
| by Leo the Lion - 10/1/2003 6:09:34 AM Philippe.........but you will need a very big hard drive |
Don't worry ... pom pom pom ... be Haaaaaaaaapyyyyyyyy ... pom pom pom ...
Reply #153 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 3:16 PM
| None of us is deaf, you know.....we do listen... |
Jafo uses alot of 3 dollar words but isn't it: None of us are deaf,you know.....we do listen?
Anyway it dosen't matter much to me it's not going to happen right now and Brad is right from a business point of view of how Rainlendar would benefit Wincustomize.
| No one has made a case of how having a Rainlendar section would be good for WinCustomize. |
Reply #154 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 3:19 PM
Reply #155 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 3:22 PM
How does LogonStudio benefit WinCustomize? Litestep? How does any of the freeware apps benefit WinCustomize? It's a silly argument...
Reply #156 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 3:46 PM
Leo....I guess I DO have a job in 'PR'....that's what the Moderators/Admins job here really is...to provide the 'interface' between the site as an entity and the community/user base.
I have a similar 'PR' role with Pixtudio.com, and other moderators are in Admin positions at other skinning sites.
My 'real' job is Architecture.....where a fair proportion of the task is to interact with the client in a communicative way....and at the same time be capable of treating Councils and other regulatory bodies with 'kid gloves' [the latter is often referred to as 'brown-nosing']. It takes the skills of a consumate Diplomat to get across to a Town Planner that he is a dribbling moron [and wrong] without him/her actually noticing...
Reply #157 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 3:51 PM
| My 'real' job is Architecture |
Obviously, he's never seen your 'shack'
Reply #158 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 4:05 PM
Reply #159 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 4:05 PM
@ jafoAhah! yrag nice to see you too.........Poor Jafo's taken a lot of "lip" from me today and most probably needs some of your cheeky charm to ease the pressures of the day.
BTW yrag have you decided on a prefix to nick yet to go with your elevated status. i put some more suggestions on the cpu thread.
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Reply #141 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 5:07 AM