I know its been said before but........................
Thursday, September 25, 2003 by Leo the Lion | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I find this little programme or piece of eye candy (however you view it) as a great addition to any desktop.
I know you can get them from other sites but lets face it vertually all the best skinners in the world are on this site and it is most probably the most visited site in the world for skinning.
I have seen some great Rainlendar skins over the time that i have been a member here and most have been made from artists that are members of this site.
Whats more - just take a look at a lot of peoples screenshots and desktops and you will see how popular it is.
I bet it would be far popular than some of the other libraries like Cool Player to name just one.
I would like to know what you other guys and gels think of this and perhaps if there is sufficient support than we can ask this to be considered at staff level by Wincustomize.
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Reply #122 Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:29 PM
On skinz.org [mk 1] I once had THE MOST POPULAR CD Stomper skin....of anywhere in the world on any site......it had just over 2000 downloads......but I'm willing to bet most people here haven't a clue what CD Stomper ever was. It very definitely wasn't 'popular' [otherwise mine wouldn't have been 'top']....
A section for Sysmetrix was added here because of its clear indication of 'potential' as it's designer had/has a steady program of feature-adding and improvement......a very worthwhile addition to the site. I'm personally not sure that Rainlendar is quite the same....yet.
Requesting/discussing the possibility of new sections is fine....but from the outset Wincustomize.com was not going to host each and every skinnable app's skins, but generally be a 'load carrier' for the more 'successful' or 'popular' ones.
At one time, Kjofol was possibly the second most popular Music player to WinAMP...[it's designer/s moved on to the WA3 project so Kjofol was dead in the water]....but no section here.
And then there was/is Sonique....buggy as heck, but some of the most beautiful skins ever thunk up....now displaced by Media Player and the skins the likes of 'the Skins Factory'...no section for that, either, as development stagnated.
ICQPlus....we have those..but people are moving away from ICQ to Trillian.....so perhaps the latter 'should' be next to be taken on.
Maybe, too....Rainlendar will show universal 'significance' [not just with a fan base] but more 'generally' with the public and it'll be included too.
Presently the Jury is out....
Reply #123 Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:36 PM
Reply #124 Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:10 PM
Fuzzy.....Funnily enough thats what my thoughts were but i did not wish to appear flippant when we were told earlier in the thread that maybe Trillian is going to be the next section on WC. I wonder what would happen if someone started a thread simlar to this one but used the subject matter as Trillian whether it would get the same support as Rainlendar has had. I doubt it but it seems like Brads got his own ideas on the way forward so who am i to argue.
Reply #125 Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:18 PM
However I do not agree with Brad, we never see eye to eye on most things.
I know it is tough but the Rainy section will have to wait until late 2007 or maybe 2010.
Reply #126 Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:21 PM
Leo.....removing a section is a pretty severe step....perhaps even disrespectful....to those who may have contributed to those sections....so is not really a viable option.
Beatnik, for example is such a simple little proggy that it makes an ideal starting point for the 'noob' who wants to be able to say he has 'skinned something'....and is a good launching place for more adventurous endeavours...so its place can be justified. [it's one proggy I've never skinned].
Trillian is a good example [or one's ignorance of it is] of how a perception of a skin proggy's popularity can be insular or even myopic, and shows that one's arguments relating to popularity or significance may be flawed.
BTW....it's a multi-format skinnable Instant Messenger.....handles ICQ, IRC, IM, etc....not, as is the case with ICQ...ONLY ICQ, hence its rise to prominence...
Reply #127 Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:24 PM
| Beatnik, for example is such a simple little proggy that it makes an ideal starting point for the 'noob' who wants to be able to say he has 'skinned something'....and is a good launching place for more adventurous endeavours...so its place can be justified. [it's one proggy I've never skinned]. |
How is Rainlender ANY different?
Reply #128 Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:27 PM
But Leo, although I support your argument, and even though in so many words I find Brads posts a little rough, he is right.
Maybe we should do a poll based on rainy?
Anyways, in any event, simply put, IT AIN"T GONNA HAPPEN anyton.
Reply #129 Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:27 PM
Reply #131 Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:57 PM
Reply #132 Tuesday, September 30, 2003 7:13 PM
| Question: Would it be alright to upload Rainlendar skins to the Graphic section? Since it's rarely used. |
That wouldn't be a good idea. Otherwise the graphics section would end up being a catchall for the hundreds of skinnable progrmas that we don't have sections for.
Regarding Beatnik -- Beatnik, at the time it got a section, was immensely popular. It's not very popular now. But we don't remove sections once they exist. Skin authors trust us to take care of their work once it is here.
There is no "bias" against Rainlendar. We simply don't believe it is very popular yet. No one has made a case of how having a Rainlendar section would be good for WinCustomize.
Reply #133 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 12:27 AM
| Leo.....removing a section is a pretty severe step....perhaps even disrespectful....to those who may have contributed to those sections....so is not really a viable option |
So we appease a very small number skinners and users to the detriment of the feelings of many people within the community??? That does not make sense nor does it hold water. So why not archive the stuff or do something with it so people can still access it. Sorry Jafo don't buy it.
Reply #134 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 12:33 AM
| Beatnik, for example is such a simple little proggy that it makes an ideal starting point for the 'noob' who wants to be able to say he has 'skinned something'....and is a good launching place for more adventurous endeavours...so its place can be justified. [it's one proggy I've never skinned]. |
Well that is exactly what Rainlendar is and would make a far popular choice for both noobs and established skinners alike
Reply #135 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 12:44 AM
| Trillian is a good example [or one's ignorance of it is] of how a perception of a skin proggy's popularity can be insular or even myopic, and shows that one's arguments relating to popularity or significance may be flawed. |
Nice and clever choice of words. I admire your tact. OK so put it to the test and lets see what the membership of this site want. Start a thread on Trillian and see if it gets the same support as Rainlendar. Then we will see who has the right perception
Reply #136 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 1:20 AM
| But Leo, although I support your argument, and even though in so many words I find Brads posts a little rough, he is right. |
Kona.....How is he right???......From where i stand all Brad has done is given a "knee jerk" reaction and then launched into the defence of his products.
Reply #137 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 1:51 AM
| That wouldn't be a good idea. Otherwise the graphics section would end up being a catchall for the hundreds of skinnable progrmas that we don't have sections for. |
What a surprise !!!!! NOT
| Regarding Beatnik -- Beatnik, at the time it got a section, was immensely popular. It's not very popular now. But we don't remove sections once they exist. Skin authors trust us to take care of their work once it is here. |
See my reply to Jafo's point
| There is no "bias" against Rainlendar. We simply don't believe it is very popular yet. No one has made a case of how having a Rainlendar section would be good for WinCustomize. |
OK i will spell it out to you...........as Arnie said " I'll be back"
Reply #139 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 2:24 AM
and for heavens sake, does it really hurt so much to go to deviantArt or Skinbase to look for Rainlendar skins? at Skinbase you can even find skins for Rainmeter, Rainy´s other little app. you might like it.
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Reply #140 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 2:47 AM
I believe this is a community site but i am not so nieve to think that Stardock does not have a helluva influence on what goes on. They just need to look at the wider perspective, listen and perhaps look at whats going on in the ***whole*** skinning world and meet those challenges.
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Reply #121 Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:11 PM
Hello Leo how are you?
Fine i suppose
What are you doing here?
Just hanging around
You look a little sad
I am - i think i have hacked off the boss
Well never mind - perhaps he will forgive you?
Nope - i think he will wring my neck when he gets hold of me - oh! better hide here he comes now