What is NEXT STEP OS?
Thursday, August 28, 2003 by kona0197 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
and where do I get it or get more info on it?
another question for everyone would be what other shell replacements are there decides LiteStep|?
another question for everyone would be what other shell replacements are there decides LiteStep|?
kona0197
Reply #2 Thursday, August 28, 2003 4:53 PM
Reply #2 Thursday, August 28, 2003 4:53 PM
Is it available to PC users? Apple would be wise to do so.
Oh and anyone know of any other shell replacements?
Oh and anyone know of any other shell replacements?
Hus
Reply #3 Thursday, August 28, 2003 4:59 PM
Reply #3 Thursday, August 28, 2003 4:59 PM
http://shell-shocked.org/
The only place to go for Shell-related stuff...
The only place to go for Shell-related stuff...
kona0197
Reply #4 Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:16 PM
Reply #4 Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:16 PM
Thanks for the info Hus.
What is everyones favorite shell replacement?
I am also looking for a sysmetrix skin with only:
clock
phy RAM
SWP RAM
C Drive used space
D drive Used space
CPU usage
What is everyones favorite shell replacement?
I am also looking for a sysmetrix skin with only:
clock
phy RAM
SWP RAM
C Drive used space
D drive Used space
CPU usage
Tech-Cat
Reply #5 Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:34 PM
Reply #5 Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:34 PM
My favorite shell is KDE, but it's only available for *nix OSes.
For Windows, I just use Explorer.
For Windows, I just use Explorer.
Koasati
Reply #8 Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:14 PM
Reply #8 Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:14 PM
HoverDesk............... not really a "shell", but a shell enhancer.................. I call it STEPLite. 
Koasati
Reply #10 Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:54 PM
[Message Edited]
Reply #10 Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:54 PM
Yes, but you asked what my favorite is, not how free it is.... 20 bucks for life (the price will be raised a few dollars when 3.0 is no longer beta).
[Message Edited]
Jafo
Reply #12 Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:06 PM
Reply #12 Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:06 PM
Hoverdesk runs as a shell...just like LiteSTEP....and Tech Cat....KDE and related 'nix interfaces were the inspiration for the creation of LiteSTEP....so originally it was essentially 'KDE for 'Doze'.....but since then it became so much more...
Koasati
Reply #13 Friday, August 29, 2003 1:01 AM
Reply #13 Friday, August 29, 2003 1:01 AM
Correction Paul.............. HoverDesk can run as a shell, but that's not it's main function, nor is it supported.
moshi
Reply #14 Friday, August 29, 2003 2:11 AM
Reply #14 Friday, August 29, 2003 2:11 AM
both, the first beta versions of KDE and LiteStep were released in the end of 1997.
KDE wasn´t an inspiration for LiteStep at all. LiteStep was a NEXT/AfterStep clone (wharf & menu) and stayed that for a few years until MorpheusX started a new trend in themeing.
the closest thing to the NEXT OS desktop is WindowMaker for *NIX, for Windows the tool for most realistic emulation is LiteStep, but you can also do it with NextStart, HoverDesk or ObjectBar.
KDE wasn´t an inspiration for LiteStep at all. LiteStep was a NEXT/AfterStep clone (wharf & menu) and stayed that for a few years until MorpheusX started a new trend in themeing.
the closest thing to the NEXT OS desktop is WindowMaker for *NIX, for Windows the tool for most realistic emulation is LiteStep, but you can also do it with NextStart, HoverDesk or ObjectBar.
IPlural
Reply #15 Friday, August 29, 2003 2:33 AM
Reply #15 Friday, August 29, 2003 2:33 AM
DesqView X386 came before either of them, so 
plllllllllllllllllllllllllthhIT
quoting below becaue I really don't want to rack my brains to knock the info loose
to type out, I mean sheesh that was in the 80's....
But anyway, it was just as functional as Windows at that time and a hell of a lot
faster. I still have QEMM, QEMM386, DESQView, DESQView386 and DESQView-X in a box
somewhere around here, it was also stable out of the box, imagine that
You could basically change colors and bitmaps is all. But it was one of the starting
Windowing GUI OS critters which someone might consider Skinable?
"
DesqView was small and VERY fast (on a 386 or better CPU).
It was functional, but slower on a PC (8086 or 286).
QuarterDeck even came out with an implementation of X-Windows for it!
It was very impressive, but of course, it wasn't compatible with
Windows, so it died.
Brian
PS: The "PIF" files (program Information Files) for DesqView and Windows
3.x were compatible, even though they were developed independantly and
in parallel.
The reason is that each product leveraged the work of IBMs "OpenLook"
desktop environment from the early '80s.
(was it called OpenLook or OpenDesk or something else....?????)
In fact, most people don't know that the MS Windows GUI was designed by
IBM ... I have a very old hard-copy of "CUI: the Common User Interface"
which explains in pain-staking detail what a radio-button is, how they
look, how they work, and how the user interacts with it ... with a
keyboard or with a pointing device.
It covers check-boxes, drop-down boxes, combo boxes, and I think
spinners (but I'm not sure).
All very strange and new almost 20 years ago!
But any user of any version of Windows is completely familiar with the
operation.
And before I get flamed, the PIF file structure was composed of a base
structure (which was common across IBM, DeskView and Windows) and then
extended features. The extended data fields were not shared between MS
and QuarterDeck's products, but the "base class" was identical.
So, they weren't really compatible, but shared the same base structure.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Brian Empey, P. Eng.
President
Technical Solutions Inc.
Unit #1 7157 Honeyman St
Delta BC Canada, V4G 1E2
"
[Message Edited]
plllllllllllllllllllllllllthhITquoting below becaue I really don't want to rack my brains to knock the info loose
to type out, I mean sheesh that was in the 80's....
But anyway, it was just as functional as Windows at that time and a hell of a lot
faster. I still have QEMM, QEMM386, DESQView, DESQView386 and DESQView-X in a box
somewhere around here, it was also stable out of the box, imagine that
You could basically change colors and bitmaps is all. But it was one of the starting
Windowing GUI OS critters which someone might consider Skinable?
"
DesqView was small and VERY fast (on a 386 or better CPU).
It was functional, but slower on a PC (8086 or 286).
QuarterDeck even came out with an implementation of X-Windows for it!
It was very impressive, but of course, it wasn't compatible with
Windows, so it died.
Brian
PS: The "PIF" files (program Information Files) for DesqView and Windows
3.x were compatible, even though they were developed independantly and
in parallel.
The reason is that each product leveraged the work of IBMs "OpenLook"
desktop environment from the early '80s.
(was it called OpenLook or OpenDesk or something else....?????)
In fact, most people don't know that the MS Windows GUI was designed by
IBM ... I have a very old hard-copy of "CUI: the Common User Interface"
which explains in pain-staking detail what a radio-button is, how they
look, how they work, and how the user interacts with it ... with a
keyboard or with a pointing device.
It covers check-boxes, drop-down boxes, combo boxes, and I think
spinners (but I'm not sure).
All very strange and new almost 20 years ago!
But any user of any version of Windows is completely familiar with the
operation.
And before I get flamed, the PIF file structure was composed of a base
structure (which was common across IBM, DeskView and Windows) and then
extended features. The extended data fields were not shared between MS
and QuarterDeck's products, but the "base class" was identical.
So, they weren't really compatible, but shared the same base structure.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Brian Empey, P. Eng.
President
Technical Solutions Inc.
Unit #1 7157 Honeyman St
Delta BC Canada, V4G 1E2
"
[Message Edited]
moshi
Reply #16 Friday, August 29, 2003 3:02 AM
Reply #16 Friday, August 29, 2003 3:02 AM
well, i was just saying that KDE wasn´t an inspiration for LiteStep. wasn´t a pissing contest about the first graphical desktop. (1997 would have been a little late for that).
craeonics
Reply #17 Friday, August 29, 2003 3:04 AM
Reply #17 Friday, August 29, 2003 3:04 AM
Read an article some time ago on DeskView, DOS alternatives and more and how they were taken down by the boys from Redmond. Stuff was used in MicroSoft's monopoly trial.
Anyhow, WindowMaker is actually how I came across LiteStep. I had seen WindowMaker and went looking for something that could do that on Windows. Back then the wharf was the main element of LiteStep themes. Today you hardly see it used.
A number of shell reviews, by the way: http://shells.loose-screws.com/
Anyhow, WindowMaker is actually how I came across LiteStep. I had seen WindowMaker and went looking for something that could do that on Windows. Back then the wharf was the main element of LiteStep themes. Today you hardly see it used.
A number of shell reviews, by the way: http://shells.loose-screws.com/
craeonics
Reply #18 Friday, August 29, 2003 3:07 AM
Reply #18 Friday, August 29, 2003 3:07 AM
By the way, HoverDesk and the WinStep series (NextStart and the other one) were directly inspired by Next. Both authors were huge fans of the system.
IPlural
Reply #19 Friday, August 29, 2003 7:48 AM
Reply #19 Friday, August 29, 2003 7:48 AM
moshi, no, not peeing in the least
Just remembering some past time is all.
craenoics, same here really though it was Enlightenment that caught my eye.
Just remembering some past time is all.
craenoics, same here really though it was Enlightenment that caught my eye.
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