Ratings "Oh no , not again"
Saturday, July 19, 2003 by Keila | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I have to agree for the most part the rating system is nice. It gives you some sense of what people think of your work other than the comments alone. Although the comments are of the utmost importance in my opinion. I have noticed though with many other skinners work that you will have a very nicely designed and working skin that ends up with a well deserved rating. As it should be yes? Then you find a little while later the comments have not gone up but the skins rating has gone down quite a bit. This leads me to believe that people are rating skins without even trying them, just looking at the preview and rating it. Or, worse than that purposely giving someone a lower rating because they do not like them for some reason or another. This is when the rating system does not work. Unfortunately, some people have their preferences set that they do not see a skin below a certain rating and because someone came along and did this to your work your skin will not even be viewed by some people. This itself is not fair to the skinner and all the hours of work they put into their skin. So I guess in closing, I just want to say to anyone who has done this to someone please try to remember that there is a real person with real feelings behind the skin you just gave a bad rating just for the short term pleasure you took in doing so. 
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SelfExiled
Reply #22 Monday, July 21, 2003 6:35 PM
Reply #22 Monday, July 21, 2003 6:35 PM
Personally, I won't rate a skin that I don't like just to bring down the rating of the skin that a artist clearly spent a lot of time doing. To me that is cruel and unneccessary. But, that is just me. Someone else might really like the skin, and why should I deny anyone the pleasure of seeing it just because I didn't like it. If I can't give a skin a rating of at least an 8, I won't rate it. But, that is just me. I've seen a lot of hurt artists here that spend massive "free" hours on their skins and get a four or below rating from someone. And, I have seen awesome skins get a terrible review only because of faults in the users operating system or program setup. Then, there are the dreaded politics, that plague the rating system. If the skin has bugs, and I like it, I prefer to wait until the bugs are fixed and I tell the artist about them in the comments section. Me-Goodie two shoes? Maybe. But, I really appreciate the hard work and freely dedicated hours spent on all these works and I want to help inspire the artist to further develop their work, instead of slamming it. 
MadIce
Reply #23 Monday, July 21, 2003 7:32 PM
Reply #23 Monday, July 21, 2003 7:32 PM
Well, ChasUGC, that is a weird opnion. It is like "I don't like classical music, but I listen to it anyway, because these people have worked so hard for it". The point of rating things is that you use it to separate good skins from bad ones.
In your system everybody would have high ratings.
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In your system everybody would have high ratings.
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DavidK
Reply #24 Monday, July 21, 2003 8:14 PM
Reply #24 Monday, July 21, 2003 8:14 PM
I guess I'm the same way, I don't give bad ratings to work I don't care for, but I assume other people will so it's not like I'm preventing low ratings. When I post a piece I have to give it a rating. In this case I try to apply lots of different criteria and give as fair and accurate a rating as I can. I feel it's important to place the piece in a spot where it would be surrounded by similar works in terms of execution, function and aesthetics. But I don't think I ever go rate a piece after it's posted unless I really like it.
hashonboat
Reply #25 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 5:41 PM
Reply #25 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 5:41 PM
Want to hear from a "newbie" ? I discoveres Wincustomize & liked it . Bought the od & wincustomize subscriptions suites, yada yada. I decided I liked what I was seeing & wanted to learn myself how to do skinning. My very first logon was rated a 3 within just a few minutes of it going up WITH NO EXPLANATION from the rater. I thought it was pretty good. I made something I like & it's what I use as My logon. All my friends & family I showed it to thought it was cool. Granted they aren't skinners, but how many visitors to this site are & how many are people who just want to make their computer look cool ? Well from what I'm hearing noone ever got a chance to see it unless they are a 3 or higher subscriber with their filter set to show everything. TRUST ME, THAT"S TOTALLY DISHEARTENING & DISCOURAGING WHEN NOONE CAN EVEN SEE WHAT I've done and if needed offer SOME ADVICE TO THE NEWBIE. I GUESS SOME PEOPLE HERE WERE BORN GREAT SKINNERS AND THEIR THE ELITE. >
and to the a-hole who rated my first skin so low at least step up into the light and offer some reason or are you just a coward hiding in the shadows playing games ? same for all the rest of the maliciousness I've seen on these message boards. Get a life and make people feel like it IS a community, for god's sake! Are 'yall TRYING to scare away anyone new?
and to the a-hole who rated my first skin so low at least step up into the light and offer some reason or are you just a coward hiding in the shadows playing games ? same for all the rest of the maliciousness I've seen on these message boards. Get a life and make people feel like it IS a community, for god's sake! Are 'yall TRYING to scare away anyone new?
SelfExiled
Reply #26 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 6:08 PM
Reply #26 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 6:08 PM
I agree with you completely hashonboat. People have feelings about their work. And you deserve an explanation. But, I doubt if you will get one. "Elite" , "hiding in the shadows playing games", "maliciousness", I just love your choice of words. But, with the way you correctly spelled everything, I doubt if you'll get a response since they can't slam you for your spelling errors and make fun of you. I really dislike the way artists are treated here and its the reason I removed all my stuff like other artists. They will probably make fun of us both now. But, I'm on your side.
bucben
Reply #27 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:22 PM
Reply #27 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:22 PM
ChasUGC and hashonboat-I strongly agree with both of you and ChasUGC like yourself what little work I had here I moved. For whatever reasons the site seems to take pride in running off artists. Don"t know if you guys seen the thread were there is serious discussion to remove the wallpaper section but wouldn"t that be like McDonalds decideing not to use buns?
DavidK
Reply #28 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:58 PM
Reply #28 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:58 PM
This isn't worth responding to... other than to say I'm really tired of being insulted by crybabies. There's nothing i could say here that wouldn't sound pretty foul. I will point out to you though, the only people quilty of what you claim is happening here is you. You're spewing poison and the good people here deserve better.
Anthony R
Reply #29 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:10 PM
Reply #29 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:10 PM
oh...oh woe, woe is me, I shall prove to the world how much I loved her by slicing off my ear. That will teach her 
Koasati
Reply #30 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:30 PM
Reply #30 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:30 PM
If we do away with moderation, make all uploads auto-rated 10, and have the moderators shot,............... will you be happy then?
WOM
Reply #31 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:44 PM
Reply #31 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:44 PM
hashonboat, if you looked real close, you have a rating of 3 and only 1 rating, that means thats what it was moderated at. So the A-hole is a moderator. It's not something I would download. Kind of think you were lucky it made it.
eieio
Reply #32 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:47 PM
Reply #32 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:47 PM
Guess that same person is rating all the latest walls low too, WOM
WOM
Reply #33 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:55 PM
Reply #33 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:55 PM
You might be right pictoratus. I looked at the first 10 and they seemed to be rated a little high. But thats my opinion.
eieio
Reply #34 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:56 PM
Reply #34 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:56 PM
From the amount of downloads (or lack of I should say), your opinion might be shared among a few others
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Jafo
Reply #35 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:28 PM
Reply #35 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:28 PM
hashonboat....I assume you're referring to the 'My Computer' logon.....it has one rating, a '3', by the moderator who 'approved' it....if you wish I can critique it for you....give good reason why I consider the '3' quite generous...but it may be better [for you] handled privately...
SelfExiled
Reply #36 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:31 PM
Reply #36 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:31 PM
LET THE COMMUNITY DECIDE WHAT THE RATING SHOULD BE. If it passes moderation leave it alone. That will solve all the rating confusion. Or are the Admins and moderators enjoying their power to squash creativity by putting their own ratings on everything. And, don't tell me politics doesn't play a part in this. Politics, meaning how popular the artist is. How you feel about the work based on your own artistic prowess. Or just, how you feel about it personally. That is all politics.
Jafo
Reply #37 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:36 PM
Reply #37 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:36 PM
And you, ChasUGC are a superior being, capable of bias-free apolitical, independent and objective valuation....because you are NOT a moderator......what a load of unmitigated crap.
Politics is not an issue....you still have a voice here, do you not?
SelfExiled
Reply #38 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:38 PM
Reply #38 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:38 PM
Maybe even have the ratings incorporated into the comments. That way a artist can see who gave them their rating. If cruel people in the community want to go around giving bad ratings then maybe the person will at least know who did it. And if the person has a email address listed they can ask why personally. This way the artist can hopefully get constructive feedback.
Jafo
Reply #39 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:44 PM
Reply #39 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:44 PM
Chas...no...then you end up with on-site, and off-site flame wars.
The way the situation is now, if an artist is concerned about a rating or a comment he need only contact an admin with those concerns for it to be looked into...appropriately, and with authority....serial abusers of the ratings and/or comments would have their access revoked or limited....
MadIce
Reply #40 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:51 PM
Chances are that you don't like my comments when I rate you a 4. I would have to hurt your feelings.
Admins that reject a wall do not send rejections e-mails because of personal attacks. So, when I rate you a 4 then I am in for the same treatment as the admins get. No thanks.
How about the cruel skinners that attack moderators?
Oh no!
Reply #40 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:51 PM
| Maybe even have the ratings incorporated into the comments. |
Chances are that you don't like my comments when I rate you a 4. I would have to hurt your feelings.
| That way a artist can see who gave them their rating. |
Admins that reject a wall do not send rejections e-mails because of personal attacks. So, when I rate you a 4 then I am in for the same treatment as the admins get. No thanks.
| If cruel people in the community want to go around giving bad ratings then maybe the person will at least know who did it. |
How about the cruel skinners that attack moderators?
| And if the person has a email address listed they can ask why personally. |
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Reply #21 Monday, July 21, 2003 6:16 PM