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Sunday, July 6, 2003 by MadIce | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Lately I see some people trying to advocate Linux here. Interesting, but of little use on a Windows Customization site. A statement like "this works better on Linux" may or may not be true, but is annoying. You are of course free to have your own opnion, but I think it doesn't serve any purpose here.
MadIce predicts there is a 99% chance that this thread will end up in a discussion how great Linux or the Mac is.
Maybe it will attract the Linux and Mac advocates and cause the rest of the threads to be free from this nonsense.
MadIce predicts there is a 99% chance that this thread will end up in a discussion how great Linux or the Mac is.
Maybe it will attract the Linux and Mac advocates and cause the rest of the threads to be free from this nonsense.
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Tech-Cat
Reply #22 Sunday, July 6, 2003 8:05 PM
Reply #22 Sunday, July 6, 2003 8:05 PM
Kona, Linux does already has something similar to WB in each desktop environment such as KDE for example. http://www.kde-look.org/ offers skins for KDE which are just as much of a face lift on KDE that WB skins are on Windows.
I remember reading a couple years back that Stardock was originally a software developer for the OS/2 operating system. OS/2 failed to sell so Stardock had to migrate to another OS to stay in business. They chose Windows because of the popular misconception that all Linux apps must be free. It is a shame that such FUD scared them away from Linux since there are some commercial apps for Linux that are neither free or open source. I would like to see Stardock products on Linux but Linux would have to become more mainstream for Stardock to consider something like that.
What is ironic about Stardock starting out on OS/2 is that Windows XP is based on the NT kernel which is based on OS/2. In a way Stardocks still supports OS/2 based systems.
I remember reading a couple years back that Stardock was originally a software developer for the OS/2 operating system. OS/2 failed to sell so Stardock had to migrate to another OS to stay in business. They chose Windows because of the popular misconception that all Linux apps must be free. It is a shame that such FUD scared them away from Linux since there are some commercial apps for Linux that are neither free or open source. I would like to see Stardock products on Linux but Linux would have to become more mainstream for Stardock to consider something like that.
What is ironic about Stardock starting out on OS/2 is that Windows XP is based on the NT kernel which is based on OS/2. In a way Stardocks still supports OS/2 based systems.
Doomgaze
Reply #23 Sunday, July 6, 2003 8:32 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here on the fact that no, its not because "all linux apps must be free" but the fact that nobody would pay for desktop enhancements when the market is already saturated with free alternatives. Its nowhere near as lucritive a market as Windows is.
And never will be.
Reply #23 Sunday, July 6, 2003 8:32 PM
| They chose Windows because of the popular misconception that all Linux apps must be free. It is a shame that such FUD scared them away from Linux since there are some commercial apps for Linux that are neither free or open source. |
I'm going to go out on a limb here on the fact that no, its not because "all linux apps must be free" but the fact that nobody would pay for desktop enhancements when the market is already saturated with free alternatives. Its nowhere near as lucritive a market as Windows is.
And never will be.
bussie
Reply #24 Sunday, July 6, 2003 8:37 PM
Reply #24 Sunday, July 6, 2003 8:37 PM
Hi there,
As far as i know isn't NT based on OS2 but on VAX?
As far as i know isn't NT based on OS2 but on VAX?
Tech-Cat
Reply #25 Sunday, July 6, 2003 8:42 PM
Reply #25 Sunday, July 6, 2003 8:42 PM
NT is built off of the OS/2 system that IBM and Microsoft collaberated on. Microsoft and IBM split and each developed their own OS based on the one they built together. IBM continued to use the OS/2 label while Microsoft opted to develop their OS under the name Windows NT. Microsoft hired the guy responsible for developing VAX/VMS to head the development of NT. In a way NT is a decendant of both OS/2 and VAX/VMS.
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da_zman20
Reply #26 Sunday, July 6, 2003 11:50 PM
Reply #26 Sunday, July 6, 2003 11:50 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I used linux, about 2 years ago, couldn't get much of anything to work, for a month I tried, couldn't adjust the screen resolution which was like 1600x1600 drove me crazy how small everything was. Couldn't get my modem to work, and it was a top of the line, worlds most common, us robotics. so I couldn't go online, and I had so much trouble installing software, the fact is I fixed my first computer when I was 8. I could use dos, and windows better than the experts by the time I was in high school. But I couldn't make heads or tails of linux. Im not saying it's bad, but you'd better have a degree in computer science if you want to use linux on a daily basis. However that was two years ago.
Just to add, the main reason I love windows so much is because of Stardock, without them I may not be so biased, I hate to use a computer anymore without windowblinds, and desktop x is best things I've ever used for productivity... they don't have those for Linux
(or mac
Just to add, the main reason I love windows so much is because of Stardock, without them I may not be so biased, I hate to use a computer anymore without windowblinds, and desktop x is best things I've ever used for productivity... they don't have those for Linux
(or mac
paxx
Reply #27 Monday, July 7, 2003 3:12 AM
Reply #27 Monday, July 7, 2003 3:12 AM
I had lots of problems with ahrdware as well when I first installed Windows XP. But XP changed, and so did Linux. I've installed Linux recently without a single problem about anything.
Linux has changed so much in a user perspective that I would indeed consider it for a "gamma" computer. It has become just as easy t use than Windows or Mac. The dowsides are mainly the lack of support from the major players in the software industry (Adobe, Macromedia, etc.) and the uninstall process for the applications. Most causal users (email, browsing the Net, occasional Word letter, etc.) don't install a lot of stuff so for them it wouldn't be an issue.
I think that Linux is perfectly viable and a very valid choice for an OS, as much so as Widows. But the reason I like it is mainly because Microsoft has to be tought that they don't own the World. Competition is good, and I will always welcome alternatives and the right to choose.
Urban1
Reply #28 Monday, July 7, 2003 9:33 AM
Reply #28 Monday, July 7, 2003 9:33 AM
that depends on what you use. Red Hat, Mandrake and SuSe are quite full of "holes". They
are not so secure, but other like free bsd and Debian is the best you can use
when it comes to security
are not so secure, but other like free bsd and Debian is the best you can use
when it comes to security
Zero2000
Reply #29 Monday, July 7, 2003 12:48 PM
Reply #29 Monday, July 7, 2003 12:48 PM
My 2 pennies worth >>>
I use OSX, Linux & BeOS as well as Windows XP.
I don't personally think either is better then the other, all of these OS's have there pros and cons, I tend use my Windows XP box the most because of the the sheer amount of software there is for it. I love my iMac, but I seem to use it less and less these days. BeOS is by far my favorte OS and I use this the most, but it is in serious need of a update and I hope that the new version "Zeta" will do that and bring some much needed "zing" to it.
Thats it I feel better now
I use OSX, Linux & BeOS as well as Windows XP.
I don't personally think either is better then the other, all of these OS's have there pros and cons, I tend use my Windows XP box the most because of the the sheer amount of software there is for it. I love my iMac, but I seem to use it less and less these days. BeOS is by far my favorte OS and I use this the most, but it is in serious need of a update and I hope that the new version "Zeta" will do that and bring some much needed "zing" to it.
Thats it I feel better now
Tech-Cat
Reply #30 Monday, July 7, 2003 12:57 PM
That is complete FUD >
da_zman20: Give Linux another try. It has changed over the past two years, and the list of supported hardware has grown. I may be a person with a computer science degree, but I do not believe that you need one to get use out of Linux. All we used in college was Windows so there was not much in my background for Linux except for an understanding of computer science concepts. Linux just takes time and patience and maybe a bit of intelligence too.
Reply #30 Monday, July 7, 2003 12:57 PM
| Red Hat, Mandrake and SuSe are quite full of "holes". |
That is complete FUD >
da_zman20: Give Linux another try. It has changed over the past two years, and the list of supported hardware has grown. I may be a person with a computer science degree, but I do not believe that you need one to get use out of Linux. All we used in college was Windows so there was not much in my background for Linux except for an understanding of computer science concepts. Linux just takes time and patience and maybe a bit of intelligence too.
Doomgaze
Reply #31 Monday, July 7, 2003 12:58 PM
Reply #31 Monday, July 7, 2003 12:58 PM
Tech Cat: ever heard of bugtraq?
Maybe you should watch it more
Maybe you'll retract your "FUD" statement then.
ho ho
Maybe you should watch it more
Maybe you'll retract your "FUD" statement then.
ho ho
Tech-Cat
Reply #32 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:00 PM
Reply #32 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:00 PM
Refer to the link in post #13. Read the reply to the FUD about Linux being insecure.
Doomgaze
Reply #33 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:04 PM
Reply #33 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:04 PM
Wow, nice answer, now, remove head from anal opening, and think up your own non "read this" answer to the fact that Red Hat is a POS, SuSe is full of holes, and netbsd still hasn't had a single hole in many years on a major distribution.
Propaganda is propaganda, whether is on microsoft.com, linux.com, or geoshitties.
Propaganda is propaganda, whether is on microsoft.com, linux.com, or geoshitties.
Tech-Cat
Reply #34 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:05 PM
Reply #34 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:05 PM
Or if the propaganda is spread by Window washers who are totally biased against other OSes.
Doomgaze
Reply #35 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:07 PM
Reply #35 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:07 PM
Too bad I'm not "pro windows" as you'd like it to be.
Now c'mon, answer the question.
But you can't can you? You're just as bad as half the "windows r00lz!" kids.
OpenBSD: "Only one remote hole in the default install, in more than 7 years!"
Can Linux say that?
(no)
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Now c'mon, answer the question.
But you can't can you? You're just as bad as half the "windows r00lz!" kids.
OpenBSD: "Only one remote hole in the default install, in more than 7 years!"
Can Linux say that?
(no)
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Tech-Cat
Reply #36 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:11 PM
Reply #36 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:11 PM
You meantioned bugtraq. Give me a link so I can evaluate how valid their claims are. I also want to check out to see if they are honest about the insecurity of Windows networks.
IPlural
Reply #37 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:14 PM
Reply #37 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:14 PM
I'll answer it for him 
pltttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttth (raspberries)
the only stable and secure computer OS/NOS is one still on the CD...
pltttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttth (raspberries)the only stable and secure computer OS/NOS is one still on the CD...
Doomgaze
Reply #38 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:14 PM
Reply #38 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:14 PM
http://www.securityfocus.com/
You should really not be trying so hard, you're gonna get burned.
You should really not be trying so hard, you're gonna get burned.
Tech-Cat
Reply #39 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:27 PM
Reply #39 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:27 PM
All network OSes have bugs. None of them are perfect. A search on OpenBSD found it to be just as insecure as the other systems. Enough of this one OS is superior to the other crap.
The main reason I prefer an alternative to Windows is that I do not like Microsoft. Windows has it's pros and cons as any other system does.
The main reason I prefer an alternative to Windows is that I do not like Microsoft. Windows has it's pros and cons as any other system does.
Doomgaze
Reply #40 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:48 PM
Reply #40 Monday, July 7, 2003 1:48 PM
"i do not like microsoft"
why? because they're successful?
you want to root for the underdog which seems to be the l33t thing to do... dosen't last long... but thats how it is...
and no, openbsd dosen't have as many "holes" if you will as many of the popular linux distros have.
why? because they're successful?
you want to root for the underdog which seems to be the l33t thing to do... dosen't last long... but thats how it is...
and no, openbsd dosen't have as many "holes" if you will as many of the popular linux distros have.
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Reply #21 Sunday, July 6, 2003 7:51 PM