The G5 4 Ghz Apple Computer is a reality!
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 by kona0197 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
check this out...
The Power Mac G5 is the world’s fastest personal computer and the first with a 64-bit processor — which means it breaks the 4 gigabyte barrier and can use up to 8 gigabytes of main memory. The new G5 processor — available at speeds up to dual 2GHz with a new ultrahigh-bandwidth system architecture featuring AGP 8X and PCI-X — makes the Power Mac G5 a breakthrough in desktop processing power. And models start at just $1999.
here is the fulll story:
http://www.apple.com/powermac/
The Power Mac G5 is the world’s fastest personal computer and the first with a 64-bit processor — which means it breaks the 4 gigabyte barrier and can use up to 8 gigabytes of main memory. The new G5 processor — available at speeds up to dual 2GHz with a new ultrahigh-bandwidth system architecture featuring AGP 8X and PCI-X — makes the Power Mac G5 a breakthrough in desktop processing power. And models start at just $1999.
here is the fulll story:
http://www.apple.com/powermac/
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wombat_1
Reply #2 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:45 AM
Reply #2 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:45 AM
Convert that to roughly A$4000.00 and it's way too much for a fixed path system. 
Tech-Cat
Reply #3 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:50 AM
Reply #3 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:50 AM
If you want an alternative to a Windows box, the most affordable way to go is to either purchase or build a Linux PC.
kona0197
Reply #4 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:18 AM
Show me a more powerful PC... You won't find one. The G5 uses 64 bit processors. PC do not (yet.) And it even outperformes the 3 ghz P4.
Reply #4 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:18 AM
| $1999 is too much money to spend considering I can get just as powerful a PC for a lot less. |
Show me a more powerful PC... You won't find one. The G5 uses 64 bit processors. PC do not (yet.) And it even outperformes the 3 ghz P4.
pjpowell
Reply #5 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:47 AM
Reply #5 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:47 AM
Oh joy! 64 bit processors. Yay! Hmm,
Where's all the 64 bit software?
Where's all the 64 bit software?
Orion
Reply #7 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:52 AM
Reply #7 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:52 AM
For a reality check, look here:
http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/
Also...Kona, you may want to educate yourself BEFORE making statements like that.
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http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/
Also...Kona, you may want to educate yourself BEFORE making statements like that.
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IPlural
Reply #8 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:04 AM
Reply #8 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:04 AM
Benchmark results cited by Apple at the launch of its Power Mac G5 desktops yesterday have already come under fire for seeming to not only tweak the Mac test system to improve its performance beyond anything an ordinary user might experience, but crippling rival systems to deliver below-par average user performance.
The tests described by Apple CEO Steve Jobs were conducted on the company's behalf ("under contract") by VeriTest. The benchmarks used are SPEC CPU 2000 integer and floating-point tests. Apple asked VeriTest to compare a pre-release a dual 2GHz Power Mac G5 with a Dell Precision 650 workstation based on twin 3.06GHz Intel Xeon CPUs and a Dell Dimension 8300 based on a 3GHz Pentium 4.
The Dell's were running Red Hat Linux 9.0, the G5 Mac OS X 10.2.7. The test software was compiled using GCC 3.3 and NAGware Fortran 95.
VeriTest recorded SPECint base score of 800, 889 and 836 for the G5, 8300 and 650, respectively. The equivalent SPECfp base scores were 840, 693 and 646. So the G5 out-performs the other machines, yes?
Well, so says Apple, but a closer look at VeriTest's documentation, freely available from its web site, suggests otherwise.
VeriTest's Results...
http://www.veritest.com/clients/reports/apple/apple_performance.pdf
The tests described by Apple CEO Steve Jobs were conducted on the company's behalf ("under contract") by VeriTest. The benchmarks used are SPEC CPU 2000 integer and floating-point tests. Apple asked VeriTest to compare a pre-release a dual 2GHz Power Mac G5 with a Dell Precision 650 workstation based on twin 3.06GHz Intel Xeon CPUs and a Dell Dimension 8300 based on a 3GHz Pentium 4.
The Dell's were running Red Hat Linux 9.0, the G5 Mac OS X 10.2.7. The test software was compiled using GCC 3.3 and NAGware Fortran 95.
VeriTest recorded SPECint base score of 800, 889 and 836 for the G5, 8300 and 650, respectively. The equivalent SPECfp base scores were 840, 693 and 646. So the G5 out-performs the other machines, yes?
Well, so says Apple, but a closer look at VeriTest's documentation, freely available from its web site, suggests otherwise.
VeriTest's Results...
http://www.veritest.com/clients/reports/apple/apple_performance.pdf
Tech-Cat
Reply #9 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:12 AM
Reply #9 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:12 AM
A Linux system running on Athlon makes the most economical sense for us poor people. Macs are for rich people.
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IPlural
Reply #10 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:18 AM
I dunno, seems Intel and AMD are playing catch up...
Reply #10 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:18 AM
| "The 970, which Apple is marketing as the G5, as per last week's web site cock-up in which specs. for new Power Macs based on the chip were revealed, is a 64-bit chip that runs 32-bit apps natively, said Jobs. IBM will fab the 58 million transistor chip at 0.13 micron using silicon-on-insulator technology and punch them out on 300mm wafers. The ill-posted specs. proved correct: the 970 will run at up to 2GHz with a 1GHz frontside bus. Describing its "new architecture", Jobs said it has been designed from the ground up for SMP - Apple will offer single and dual-processor systems, he added, with both chips connected to the system controller chip across independent buses. The chip can handle up to 215 in-flight instructions. It has 512KB of L2 cache, but no L3 cache support. He also called the 970 the "first 64-bit desktop processor", which may gall AMD fans, though then Opteron was designed for servers and workstations, not desktop PCs. " |
I dunno, seems Intel and AMD are playing catch up...
IPlural
Reply #11 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:19 AM
Reply #11 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:19 AM
oops, #8 should have been quoted also...
darn fingers typing inside out again...
darn fingers typing inside out again...
The DJ
Reply #12 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:28 AM
Bah,
http://909.bz/images/macvsdell.jpg
and @ almost a grand less.
Reply #12 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:28 AM
| Show me a more powerful PC... You won't find one. The G5 uses 64 bit processors. PC do not (yet.) And it even outperformes the 3 ghz P4. |
Bah,
http://909.bz/images/macvsdell.jpg
and @ almost a grand less.
KarmaGirl
Reply #13 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:02 AM
Reply #13 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:02 AM
| And models start at just $1999 |
I have a hard time seeing "just" and "$1999" together in a sentence about computers. (Especially considering that you will have to pay more for features like...say...a monitor!)
*AND* the model that is $1999 is *not* the one that has dual 2ghz processors! That one starts at $2999 (still doesn't have a monitor, speakers, or more than 512 megs of ram, etc.).
KarmaGirl
Reply #14 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:13 AM
Reply #14 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:13 AM
Leo the Lion
Reply #15 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:48 AM
Reply #15 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:48 AM
they are having a laugh at that price......are'nt they - still some rich person will buy one
White_Moth
Reply #16 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:53 AM
Reply #16 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:53 AM
The very reason I never bought a G-3 or a G-4, couldn't afford them then, so what does all that G-5 power matter to me.
And all too often the "rich" buy them for show, desk ornaments, too many just sit around gathering dust...what a waste.
And all too often the "rich" buy them for show, desk ornaments, too many just sit around gathering dust...what a waste.
KarmaGirl
Reply #17 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:30 PM
Reply #17 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:30 PM
The price is exactly why they will stick with 5% of the market (that is a number published by Apple, btw.)
Why would a company pay $3,000 per desktop when they can get Dell's (with monitors and everything they need) for half the cost? Sure, they might not be *as* fast (if you rust the data that Apple published) but they will more than adequately do the job.
They will stay a little niche market until they can make products that compete both technologically and monetarily with PCs.
c242
Reply #18 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:51 PM
Reply #18 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:51 PM
I had a good laugh when reading this 'exiting' news and the 'low' price... And moved on.
IPlural
Reply #19 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:58 PM
Oh I dunno, unless your looking at a low end VAR system or clone/home built, you are looking at the same pricing for MAC's and PC's.
Yes Apple published the findings of the results of the market share research; funded by Apple. Just as Intel, AMD, Microsoft, AutoDesk (Discreet), USG, IBM, etc as everyone that has a product to sell ( including political, social goals )and wishes to present positive numbers to possible consumers. Kind of like the Bar fly Hair flip of the 70's/80's or the "I drive a ( fill in blank )" of, well, guys have used that one forever I guess
Business pratices aside MAC's are solid, fast and stable.
Price seems to be the most common indicator which is presented with all other reasons for MACphobia and or disdain.
But even that is questionable (the price) when all you have to do is search the web and you can find them at prices no higher than comprable PC systems.
Apple isn't a driving force of Technology?
Reply #19 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:58 PM
| The price is exactly why they will stick with 5% of the market (that is a number published by Apple, BTW.) |
Oh I dunno, unless your looking at a low end VAR system or clone/home built, you are looking at the same pricing for MAC's and PC's.
Yes Apple published the findings of the results of the market share research; funded by Apple. Just as Intel, AMD, Microsoft, AutoDesk (Discreet), USG, IBM, etc as everyone that has a product to sell ( including political, social goals )and wishes to present positive numbers to possible consumers. Kind of like the Bar fly Hair flip of the 70's/80's or the "I drive a ( fill in blank )" of, well, guys have used that one forever I guess
Business pratices aside MAC's are solid, fast and stable.
Price seems to be the most common indicator which is presented with all other reasons for MACphobia and or disdain.
But even that is questionable (the price) when all you have to do is search the web and you can find them at prices no higher than comprable PC systems.
| They will stay a little niche market until they can make products that compete both technologically and monetarily with PCs. |
Apple isn't a driving force of Technology?
IPlural
Reply #20 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 1:00 PM
Reply #20 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 1:00 PM
oh and low end ( so called Home/Small Business ) OEM systems are priced from the dealer at lower prices.
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Reply #1 Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:42 AM