Download copyright music = Fry your pc
Wednesday, June 18, 2003 by The DJ | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
"WASHINGTON (AP) -- Illegally download copyright music from the Internet once, or even twice, and you get a warning. Do it a third time, and your computer gets destroyed.
That's the suggestion made by the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee at a Tuesday hearing on copyright abuse, reflecting a growing frustration in Congress over failure of the technology and entertainment industries to protect copyrights in a digital age.
The surprise statement by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, that he favors developing technology to remotely destroy computers used for illegal downloads represents a dramatic escalation in the increasingly contentious rhetoric over pirated music.
I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights.
If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we'd be interested in hearing about that," Hatch said. "If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize" the seriousness of their actions"
Full story
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/18/download.music.ap/
That's the suggestion made by the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee at a Tuesday hearing on copyright abuse, reflecting a growing frustration in Congress over failure of the technology and entertainment industries to protect copyrights in a digital age.
The surprise statement by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, that he favors developing technology to remotely destroy computers used for illegal downloads represents a dramatic escalation in the increasingly contentious rhetoric over pirated music.
I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights.
If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we'd be interested in hearing about that," Hatch said. "If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize" the seriousness of their actions"
Full story
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/18/download.music.ap/
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Tech-Cat
Reply #62 Friday, June 20, 2003 12:18 AM
It sounds like the only thing the anti-copy code prevents is playability on a PC or Mac.
Reply #62 Friday, June 20, 2003 12:18 AM
| Direct raw rips aren't stopped by copy protection that they use.I have YET to not be able to rip a cd. |
It sounds like the only thing the anti-copy code prevents is playability on a PC or Mac.
kona0197
Reply #63 Friday, June 20, 2003 1:20 AM
try copying red alert 2. I did so i could have a backup. there are files on the original that can not be coptied.
Reply #63 Friday, June 20, 2003 1:20 AM
| I have YET to not be able to rip a cd. |
try copying red alert 2. I did so i could have a backup. there are files on the original that can not be coptied.
Tech-Cat
Reply #64 Friday, June 20, 2003 1:59 AM
Reply #64 Friday, June 20, 2003 1:59 AM
I think Doomgaze was only talking about ripping music CDs.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #65 Friday, June 20, 2003 2:11 AM
Reply #65 Friday, June 20, 2003 2:11 AM
In January we started to run out of hard drive space on our main server. So we invested in an additional drive on which we could put user's folders only. I never finished the transfer due to my illness, but started again last week. I was transferring a user's folder, and, you can imagine my suprise at seeing the server spend 20mins moving mp3 files 
It turns out some 5% of our disk space is taken up by mp3 files. Needless to say the files have been deleted and the person responsible reprimanded. What no-one could answer was how much work time was spent downloading the things...
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It turns out some 5% of our disk space is taken up by mp3 files. Needless to say the files have been deleted and the person responsible reprimanded. What no-one could answer was how much work time was spent downloading the things...
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eieio
Reply #66 Friday, June 20, 2003 9:46 AM
Reply #66 Friday, June 20, 2003 9:46 AM
Here is irony for you 
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html
Well that didn't seem to work
Try to cut and paste this
www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html
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http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html
Well that didn't seem to work
Try to cut and paste this
www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html
[Message Edited]
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Tech-Cat
Reply #69 Friday, June 20, 2003 11:24 AM
Reply #69 Friday, June 20, 2003 11:24 AM
Funny link.
If Orin Hatch's proposal ever gets passed, I suggest that everyone with an older PC they don't care about go online and download Orin Hatch MP3s to stick it to the man.
If Orin Hatch's proposal ever gets passed, I suggest that everyone with an older PC they don't care about go online and download Orin Hatch MP3s to stick it to the man.
joetheblow
Reply #70 Friday, June 20, 2003 4:55 PM
Reply #70 Friday, June 20, 2003 4:55 PM
hmmmm...
Interesting. I have said to myself and anyone who would listen that the music indrustry can come up with new ways to sell CD's. They also know APPLE is doing very well with the doanload music for 99 cents.
Also if they look at on pitucular high money making (and growing even in the slump up until 2002) sector of music, they will notice that there are allot of freebees that hit the street to start a buzz, mixtapes of songs spread the word, get the acts proformance gigs (beofre they even drop an album) and only increases sales once the official music is released.
As with any business they want to control the source of thier income, but i believe that for the most part the real reason why it is taking so long for them to turn around the indrustry is because of all the fragments and sub contracts that needs to be signed and people paid off just to get the song on the net.
And as for the downloaders, they are not helping anybody except themselves and they know it. The excuse of it should be free and its just one song is not worth the air it uses to speak the sentence.
I said it before and I'll say it again, I'm tired of both the music indrustry and the downloaders.
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Interesting. I have said to myself and anyone who would listen that the music indrustry can come up with new ways to sell CD's. They also know APPLE is doing very well with the doanload music for 99 cents.
Also if they look at on pitucular high money making (and growing even in the slump up until 2002) sector of music, they will notice that there are allot of freebees that hit the street to start a buzz, mixtapes of songs spread the word, get the acts proformance gigs (beofre they even drop an album) and only increases sales once the official music is released.
As with any business they want to control the source of thier income, but i believe that for the most part the real reason why it is taking so long for them to turn around the indrustry is because of all the fragments and sub contracts that needs to be signed and people paid off just to get the song on the net.
And as for the downloaders, they are not helping anybody except themselves and they know it. The excuse of it should be free and its just one song is not worth the air it uses to speak the sentence.
I said it before and I'll say it again, I'm tired of both the music indrustry and the downloaders.
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Doomgaze
Reply #71 Friday, June 20, 2003 5:07 PM
not like every cd copy protection scheme hasn't been broken already...
ever heard of an ISO?
Reply #71 Friday, June 20, 2003 5:07 PM
| try copying red alert 2. I did so i could have a backup. there are files on the original that can not be coptied. |
not like every cd copy protection scheme hasn't been broken already...
ever heard of an ISO?
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #72 Friday, June 20, 2003 5:22 PM
Reply #72 Friday, June 20, 2003 5:22 PM
Orrin hatch is just upset because nobody on kazaa is trading his music.(can you imagine if this were standard procedure for any violation of the law?"look that man ran 3 red lights in a row,best shoot the tires out!")The only solution that would work that i can see is if someone can prove you have illegal or unlicensed content on your pc is they have the right to extract it.I've seen this done and no damage was done to the computer.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #73 Friday, June 20, 2003 5:38 PM
Reply #73 Friday, June 20, 2003 5:38 PM
If they really want to get nasty about,identify the offending material and render it unusable AND undeletable without a reformat.Then they would sit around taking up hardrive space.I personally dont give durn about the recording industry.I'm old enough that little new music has much appeal to me.I've bought multiple copies of 8tracks,cassettes,vinyl and cds.If you damage or lose a cd do they offer you a replacement copy at a reduced price?No!Software companies do.Next format will likely be chip based.Am i expected to go and replace my collection?I'm a musician myself so i sympathize with the artist but the riaa can go to hell.If they stand a chance of making online music purchases work they need to make custom compilations available.I'm not buying another cd just to get 2 or 3 songs i like.And even 99 cents per song is still too high.
joetheblow
Reply #74 Friday, June 20, 2003 5:58 PM
Reply #74 Friday, June 20, 2003 5:58 PM
Not sure about 99 cents being too high for one song. I think its the right price for many new songs.
Now for 10 year old songs I am not sure.
The songs you migh be looking for could be on one of the current downloadables, but most likely it is stuck in lawyers limbo because of the multipul signitures and releases to get it on line for sale.
Now for 10 year old songs I am not sure.
The songs you migh be looking for could be on one of the current downloadables, but most likely it is stuck in lawyers limbo because of the multipul signitures and releases to get it on line for sale.
IPlural
Reply #75 Friday, June 20, 2003 6:52 PM
Reply #75 Friday, June 20, 2003 6:52 PM
never happen...
Government PC's and Mac's would be frizzing around the globe...
really, really
Government PC's and Mac's would be frizzing around the globe...
really, really
AlphaDraco
Reply #76 Friday, June 20, 2003 8:36 PM
Reply #76 Friday, June 20, 2003 8:36 PM
Ok, first... if I remember correctly, the Mac service let you also download the whole CD for a little less. For me, that's perfect. I would rather download an entire CD legally than try to find the tracks illegally. It takes a lot of the inconvenience out of buying CDs. Now, this is obviously only for people who place laws above...well...free music. For the rest of the world, I doubt the government will ever be able to SHUT DOWN all the P2P services. They may start finding ways to track downloaded music to the user, and fine/prosecute the person who downloaded it. Frying the computers of the people who download the songs won't do anything but make the population mad. The only way I can see the government enforcing laws against song-swappers is in an old-fashion courtroom. Also, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that at least 50% of the users at this site have probably downloaded music off Kazaa/Gnutella/etc. In the end, it comes down to the conscience of the person downloading the music, and the RIAA (which is obviously filthy rich) going after people all the time won't help. Niether will the Senator's idiotic ideas about a completely insane punishment for the people that download. (OK, I'm done ranting.)
joetheblow
Reply #77 Friday, June 20, 2003 9:57 PM
Reply #77 Friday, June 20, 2003 9:57 PM
there is a way out for the RIAA as well as the music indrustry in a whole. I don't know they know it though... or are afraid to try it because the one thing big business hates in uncertainty. if they do what I think, it will be a risk, but more likely than not it will succeed.
I think your right Citizen AlphaDraco. To many computers would be put at risk and the owners (whether they are downloading music or its someone else) would be officially gooing after the music indrustry. Corporations, goverments, lawyers, everybody.
RIAA going after people will work actually. What they are after is awarness of that downloading specific music at 100mb a week is wrong. Its actually not allot of people providing these songs, it is a few who have whole albums of stuff on the P2P network. Get the point to those few and the other will too.
By the way, Kazaa and others are totally opening your computer up into hackers, viruses and anything else on the other persons drive. I am surprised nothing has happened.
Your taking out the mouths of allot of people not just the RIAA, but conveniantly those who download don't think of that.
I doubt most people on the site are because this site mostly has adults on it and are not likely to have those programs on their computer unless there kids put it on.
People who do this are mostly people who are on networks and are in school. Mostly at college campuses.
I think your right Citizen AlphaDraco. To many computers would be put at risk and the owners (whether they are downloading music or its someone else) would be officially gooing after the music indrustry. Corporations, goverments, lawyers, everybody.
RIAA going after people will work actually. What they are after is awarness of that downloading specific music at 100mb a week is wrong. Its actually not allot of people providing these songs, it is a few who have whole albums of stuff on the P2P network. Get the point to those few and the other will too.
By the way, Kazaa and others are totally opening your computer up into hackers, viruses and anything else on the other persons drive. I am surprised nothing has happened.
Your taking out the mouths of allot of people not just the RIAA, but conveniantly those who download don't think of that.
I doubt most people on the site are because this site mostly has adults on it and are not likely to have those programs on their computer unless there kids put it on.
People who do this are mostly people who are on networks and are in school. Mostly at college campuses.
AlphaDraco
Reply #78 Friday, June 20, 2003 10:16 PM
Reply #78 Friday, June 20, 2003 10:16 PM
What it comes down to, in the end, is the maturity and sense of right and wrong of the person, IMHO. You're right, most of the people who download are younger. Using P2P networks to download music is (basically) an easy version of shoplifting music. Older people are likely to care a lot more about the fact that it is illegal...but at the moment, the RIAA is going after the networks and 1 or 2 of the actual users. Also, the people they DO go after are just examples. I believe it is known to most (if not all) of the users that there is a 99.9% chance they WON'T be caught. There needs to be more punishment, and also more reasonable punishment.
Jafo
Reply #79 Friday, June 20, 2003 10:49 PM
Reply #79 Friday, June 20, 2003 10:49 PM
Seems that Australia is often the 'first' to do things....real 'hacking' started here....then the first international net-based defamation case....and now this month the first private individuals [students] to face court on copyright theft charges relating to mp3 downloads.....aparently AUS $150,000 worth of illegal dl's.....but they are being charged on a 'single' count....to be 'specific'. BTW...in Aus we do not have 'fair-use' as a condition/allowance of use.....legally even backing up a song to audio tape is NOT ON...
Jafo
Reply #80 Friday, June 20, 2003 10:51 PM
Reply #80 Friday, June 20, 2003 10:51 PM
Needless to say, the world is watching this as it has world-wide repercussions...
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Reply #61 Friday, June 20, 2003 12:16 AM
Direct raw rips aren't stopped by copy protection that they use.
I have YET to not be able to rip a cd.
Its nice being able to carry around 10+ full cd's worth of music in a unit the size of a wallet