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Tuesday, June 17, 2003 by grayhaze | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Today I received the following e-mail from someone who shall remain nameless:
"Im using your dinksdx-blue skin for windwowsblinds and i think it is really awful.
i love the tab with the controlls for winamp. the buttons for next song etc are working, but it doesn't display the title of the song which is playing. did i overread something i have to do to activate them?"
I answered his question regardless of his bad manners, but I'm amazed that people like this are out there. What can the logic be in insulting someone's hard work and then asking for help in using it? >
For those people who are having this problem, make sure you have at least version 4.00c of WindowBlinds.
"Im using your dinksdx-blue skin for windwowsblinds and i think it is really awful.
i love the tab with the controlls for winamp. the buttons for next song etc are working, but it doesn't display the title of the song which is playing. did i overread something i have to do to activate them?"
I answered his question regardless of his bad manners, but I'm amazed that people like this are out there. What can the logic be in insulting someone's hard work and then asking for help in using it? >
For those people who are having this problem, make sure you have at least version 4.00c of WindowBlinds.
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DarkMist
Reply #2 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:41 PM
Reply #2 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:41 PM
Your common user can be very rude as someone who has no idea how things are made and they simply spend their time looking for the best of the best, all i say is if you dont like it, try it and when you have then come back to me and give me an honest opinion.
Personally Grayhaze i think your skin is ace
Personally Grayhaze i think your skin is ace
goodmorphing
Reply #3 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:41 PM
Reply #3 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:41 PM
That is a really weird statement. First *it is really awful*, then *I love the tab*. And then he/she is wanting to configure it for better use.
It is so weird that it almost looks like a language problem, or maybe something like spell check stepping on with an off-the-wall word when it was checking artful. Or maybe an unskillful rendering of awesome. (awesome + Artful= awful?)
goodmorphing still cringes at the memory of the time she was sent to chase a dog out of the church yard. Having the terms ***SHOO*** and ***GET*** in mind, upon opening the door a truly unholy word was shrieked for all to hear.....
Though I have noticed that internet forums seems to have spawned some behaviors that I am sure would never happen face to face.
By the way, I am using that skin right now and it is amazing. Simply amazing. I haven't had the time to configure it just yet, but I will.
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It is so weird that it almost looks like a language problem, or maybe something like spell check stepping on with an off-the-wall word when it was checking artful. Or maybe an unskillful rendering of awesome. (awesome + Artful= awful?)
goodmorphing still cringes at the memory of the time she was sent to chase a dog out of the church yard. Having the terms ***SHOO*** and ***GET*** in mind, upon opening the door a truly unholy word was shrieked for all to hear.....
Though I have noticed that internet forums seems to have spawned some behaviors that I am sure would never happen face to face.By the way, I am using that skin right now and it is amazing. Simply amazing. I haven't had the time to configure it just yet, but I will.
[Message Edited]
WOM
Reply #4 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:12 PM
Reply #4 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:12 PM
And people wonder why more and more people are not showing their email address. We all know your not along in this kind of BS as I'am sure a lot of skinners get their share. 
Styl-X Design
Reply #5 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:15 PM
GH, calm down, this things happens and its just a little kid that got freaked out.
Reply #5 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:15 PM
GH, calm down, this things happens and its just a little kid that got freaked out.
DarkMist
Reply #6 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:16 PM
Reply #6 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:16 PM
I agree with WOM, there have been many times i've wanted to e-mail an author but to find no address
grayhaze
Reply #7 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:19 PM
Reply #7 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:19 PM
Well it looks like you could be right after all goodmorphing. I got a reply, and it seems that they thought the word 'awful' was the same as 'awesome'!
I really hope whoever taught English to this person doesn't teach a future diplomat for his country...
Thanks for the kind comments about the skin also. This wasn't really intended as a thread to showcase my skin, but more of a way of venting steam on another unpleasant mail. There really seems to be a backlash building against the skin in certain quarters since I released it, but I guess that's always the way when something does quite well. The majority of the bad comments seem to have come from MSStyle worshippers though, who perhaps are unhappy that I allowed WindowBlinds to show up their beloved format for the dated wannabe it now is.
I really hope whoever taught English to this person doesn't teach a future diplomat for his country...
Thanks for the kind comments about the skin also. This wasn't really intended as a thread to showcase my skin, but more of a way of venting steam on another unpleasant mail. There really seems to be a backlash building against the skin in certain quarters since I released it, but I guess that's always the way when something does quite well. The majority of the bad comments seem to have come from MSStyle worshippers though, who perhaps are unhappy that I allowed WindowBlinds to show up their beloved format for the dated wannabe it now is.
brazil
Reply #8 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:55 PM
Reply #8 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:55 PM
It iz an awesome skin,,one of the best and most functional WB ever,,IMHO,,
Jafo
Reply #9 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:39 PM
Reply #9 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:39 PM
Sadly, 'awful' DOES have two [still current-use] meanings.
One is 'bad, unpleasant or of low quality'
The other is 'very great'...as in 'awfully good' meaning 'very good', not 'bad good'.
My guess is that this was a language problem and not a 'bad' comment at all...
KarmaGirl
Reply #11 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:46 PM
Reply #11 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:46 PM
grayhaze, why can't you just believe that you are not god's gift to skinning? Geez...what an ego! 
KarmaGirl runs quickly away so that she doesn't get smacked with a dead trout by grayhaze...
yes, and I was joking in case anyone didn't understand..
Hell Dragon
Reply #12 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:50 PM
Reply #12 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:50 PM
What a coincidence... I just got emailed something from a 'visitor' of my website, and it sounds much the same; basically stating that they like my work but hate something else about it, and generally being rude about the whole thing.
Here is a copy of the email I got:
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I visited you're site, looking for some free icons, to try and see if I would enjoy a different looking desktop. I found icons by the bushel. Many that are truly art works.
Most of them didn't add any special programing . I've been trying to get rid of you're closing picture, the one that shows me a picture of Dark Project studios when I turn my computer on or off. I don't enjoy viewing you're advertising. And I don't remember asking to have it installed on my computer I would certainly like to remove it. I didn't ask to have it installed, and now I find myself having to ask, to have it removed. I'm not a programer, so I'm asking. Maybe someday I'll learn how to do code. Then I wont have to ask
This has truly been a unpleasant experience.
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The thing that is even more puzzling is I don't even know what the hell they are talking about since my icons are just .ico files and they couldn't install a single thing on their PC, let alone change their start up and shutdown screens.
The last line just tops it off for me though "This has truly been a unpleasant experience." ... ROFL, where the hell do these people come from?
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Here is a copy of the email I got:
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I visited you're site, looking for some free icons, to try and see if I would enjoy a different looking desktop. I found icons by the bushel. Many that are truly art works.
Most of them didn't add any special programing . I've been trying to get rid of you're closing picture, the one that shows me a picture of Dark Project studios when I turn my computer on or off. I don't enjoy viewing you're advertising. And I don't remember asking to have it installed on my computer I would certainly like to remove it. I didn't ask to have it installed, and now I find myself having to ask, to have it removed. I'm not a programer, so I'm asking. Maybe someday I'll learn how to do code. Then I wont have to ask
This has truly been a unpleasant experience.
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The thing that is even more puzzling is I don't even know what the hell they are talking about since my icons are just .ico files and they couldn't install a single thing on their PC, let alone change their start up and shutdown screens.
The last line just tops it off for me though "This has truly been a unpleasant experience." ... ROFL, where the hell do these people come from?
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KarmaGirl
Reply #15 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:04 PM
Reply #15 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:04 PM
or, a common thing that I see when somebody doesn't like a virus email that has your email address spoofed on it: "piss off". (Oh, the tales of tech support email....)
IPlural
Reply #16 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:23 PM KarmaGiral @ "piss off" or up a rope?
grayhaze, for what it is worth I've *dinksdx-blue* installed in Windowblinds as a keeper.
Reply #16 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:23 PM
KarmaGiral @ "piss off" or up a rope?grayhaze, for what it is worth I've *dinksdx-blue* installed in Windowblinds as a keeper.
Lady_Akasha
Reply #17 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:13 PM
Reply #17 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:13 PM
well that was a contradictory email.
However--why can't an artist get an email that says 'it's awful' no one is 'that' great that everyone will think 'everything' they make is 'spectacular'. I'm sure every artist has had to experience a biting comment.
As they should...it's humbling.
However--why can't an artist get an email that says 'it's awful' no one is 'that' great that everyone will think 'everything' they make is 'spectacular'. I'm sure every artist has had to experience a biting comment.
As they should...it's humbling.
Lady_Akasha
Reply #18 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:08 PM
Reply #18 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:08 PM
Why should an artist receive a not so favorable comment?
Umm because there is no such thing as making something EVERYONE will like, or think is great. That is ridiculous! Why doesn't the person who thinks 'it sucks' have a right to say...'it sucks'?
And I am sorry, as much as I do like this site--there is little room for the TRUTH. If someone actually said, "This is really awful" to a fellow artist it would be uproar!
Bottom line is; EVERY artist makes SOMETHING that someone will think is AWFUL! And that person has the RIGHT to say what they feel.
Why should someone be humbled? Everyone experiences something, somewhere in someway that is humbling.
Well to be quite honest I don't think on a level of, "Well Joe Shmoe is getting a lil too cocky--think I'll kick him a notch or two." I don't work that way. However if you get a comment on a design and let's say this person says, "to be honest...it's pretty mickey mouse.I don't see why everyone's raving about it, because fact of the matter is I think it's pretty awful!"
Now if that artist, then turns around after reading that, suddenly becomes appauled and wonders how dare this person say such a thing. That artist NEEDS HUMBLING! Because that implies that they feel that they are that darn good, and that is just rudeness!
I had a negative feedback on a wall I did over at DA, and it caught me off guard at first sure. Positive feedback one after another. Then BLAM! one hit...that was not so great. And I found it humbling! I didn't think that person was rude.
In fact, I started at the image looking for what this person saw. And went to their page, and thanked them for checking out my image, and noted that I read and considered his comment,respected his opinion and thanked him for his honesty.
That was a HUMBLING moment for me. And did I like it? Well no. But I respected it, and reminded me that everything I make is not always so great.
Umm because there is no such thing as making something EVERYONE will like, or think is great. That is ridiculous! Why doesn't the person who thinks 'it sucks' have a right to say...'it sucks'?
And I am sorry, as much as I do like this site--there is little room for the TRUTH. If someone actually said, "This is really awful" to a fellow artist it would be uproar!
Bottom line is; EVERY artist makes SOMETHING that someone will think is AWFUL! And that person has the RIGHT to say what they feel.
Why should someone be humbled? Everyone experiences something, somewhere in someway that is humbling.
| who decides why or when someone should be humbled? |
Well to be quite honest I don't think on a level of, "Well Joe Shmoe is getting a lil too cocky--think I'll kick him a notch or two." I don't work that way. However if you get a comment on a design and let's say this person says, "to be honest...it's pretty mickey mouse.I don't see why everyone's raving about it, because fact of the matter is I think it's pretty awful!"
Now if that artist, then turns around after reading that, suddenly becomes appauled and wonders how dare this person say such a thing. That artist NEEDS HUMBLING! Because that implies that they feel that they are that darn good, and that is just rudeness!
I had a negative feedback on a wall I did over at DA, and it caught me off guard at first sure. Positive feedback one after another. Then BLAM! one hit...that was not so great. And I found it humbling! I didn't think that person was rude.
In fact, I started at the image looking for what this person saw. And went to their page, and thanked them for checking out my image, and noted that I read and considered his comment,respected his opinion and thanked him for his honesty.
That was a HUMBLING moment for me. And did I like it? Well no. But I respected it, and reminded me that everything I make is not always so great.
Lady_Akasha
Reply #19 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:15 PM
Reply #19 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:15 PM
P.S. Again I add, that email was very contradictory.
goodmorphing
Reply #20 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:22 PM
Reply #20 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:22 PM
um... am I the only one seeing a strange page format here?
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Reply #1 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:36 PM