Windows 10 and it's updates...

What's wrong in Redmond?

Tuesday, November 27, 2018 by DrJBHL | Discussion: Personal Computing

I've really been left wondering what's wrong with the W10 devs...

Erasing data, inability to choose default app...all is not well, methinks.

 

Seriously, what kind of company releases crap like this? Is there no pride? No sense of responsibility?

This might help if you have bugs with the updates...

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-update-bugs-the-latest-fixes-and-workarounds/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=23906934820265111040450294515746

 

 

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starkers
Reply #1 Thursday, November 29, 2018 9:21 AM


Seriously, what kind of company releases crap like this? Is there no pride? No sense of responsibility?

To answer your questions....

I: Microsoft.

2: No!

3: No!

I won't say a lot more because I'd likely go into another tirade about how pathetic MS has become over the last couple of years, and I don't want to be up all night typing.

I have a stable OS at the moment and I don't want MS messing it up with faulty updates, so I have blocked auto updates and manually install important security patches when I feel it is safe to do so.

Anyhow, it's past my bedtime.

 

BlackSmokeDMax
Reply #2 Thursday, November 29, 2018 12:24 PM

Wow, glad I'm staying on a way back build. 1709 IIRC. It runs pretty stable except for not liking to leave my icons on display #1 either after a reboot, or after having had the monitors turned off for a bit.

 

edit: this is even with using Stardock Fences. I still have to open the Fences configure and reload from a snapshot of the correct layout. Likely it has to do with different resolutions on the two monitors. My main (on the right) is 2560x1440, my secondary (on the left) is at 1920x1200.

anotherside
Reply #3 Thursday, November 29, 2018 6:23 PM

I installed Windows 10 LTSC 1809. So far so good, I have only used it a couple of hours. Free evaluation copies from Microsoft. No Store (can be added), no bloatware, no Cortana, no reinstalls twice a year. It feels clean.

If you want to buy this I think the price is $2500 or something like that for 5 copies. Of course like all other MS products it can be activated by using products from "warez sites".

Anyway, I don't know how much I am going use this, but I was thrilled to see that MS is offering a Windows version in 2018 that is pretty similar to the Windows 7 experience.

It's too bad you can't use it as your main OS without being a pirate, because my experience so far has been promising. 10 year support and a new version every second year. A very sane release schedule.

A Windows 10 Pro license is worth next to nothing to me, but if I could buy a LTSC license for $150 that would feel like a reasonable deal. $200 if MS gave me complete control over updates. I paid $200 for a Windows 7 Ultimate retail license here in Europe.

I think MS could avoid a lot of the Windows 10 criticism just by offering LTSC to individuals. The My People app is the only bloat I have seen so far. LTSC feels refreshing at a time when I had basically given up on Windows.

starkers
Reply #4 Thursday, November 29, 2018 9:56 PM

A question!

Is Microsoft creating updates for update sake?  To appear as if they're busy over at Redmond?

Orright, that's more than one question, but are these updates even necessary?  I've managed without the last two major ones and I'm still doing okay... unlike others who got the 1809 update.  I don't feel like I'm missing anything, either.

Another question!

Wouldn't it be better if MS reverted back to annual or bi-annual updates for major changes, to give more time to test for bugs and other quirks?  Obviously MS would need to create updates and patches for emerging threats, but major system changes need more time and quality assurance than is currently being given for major updates.

Personally, I think the management at Redmond has a lot to answer for, laying off QA testers and support staff in their hundreds, and leaving millions of users with a myriad of issues because of sub-par updates that were not properly tested prior to release.

In my opinion, kick Satya Nadella to the kerb and get in somebody who IS qualified and who actually gives a shit about what's going on in the world of Microsoft.  I had high hopes when Nadella took over from Steve Ballmer, but I was sadly disappointed and can't wait to see the back of him.  What I don't understand is why Bill Gates is allowing this failure of a CEO to destroy his company.

Publius of NV
Reply #5 Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:34 PM

starkers

Is Microsoft creating updates for update sake? To appear as if they're busy over at Redmond?

Of course it is.  By now, Microsoft is a massive bureaucracy.  And if you're at all familiar with C. Northcote Parkinson (of Parkinson's Law), you'll know that bureaucracies have to justify their own existence somehow.  Unless they are government bureaucracies, in which case their existence is their own justification.

starkers
Reply #6 Friday, November 30, 2018 1:31 AM

I'm not familiar with C. Northcote Parkinson, but I am quite familiar with bureaucracies justifying their own existence. 

I once worked in the Queensland [Aus] Police Department and saw dozens of public servants walking around aimlessly all day, achieving absolutely nothing. 

They looked busy, though, carrying a piece of paper or a file/foler, etc. 

To make it look even more authentic, one or more would gather around said file/folder and appear to be having a discussion about the contents, when in fact they were more likely discussing aspects of their social lives.

And what annoyed me most was that one, a more consciencius worker, who was often snowed under with more work than he could handle, could get nothing done about it.  They were protected by the bureaucracy.  Was a safe, secure job but it wasn't for me.

I'd like to be a fly on the wall to see if it's the same over at Microsoft, dozens of lazy bastards walking around and filling in time 'til clock-off.

WOM
Reply #7 Friday, November 30, 2018 11:43 AM

Monopoly's can and they can get away with it.  

Uvah
Reply #8 Friday, November 30, 2018 12:43 PM

What's the difference between monopoly and conglomerate? Nothing...

Jafo
Reply #9 Friday, November 30, 2018 6:17 PM

starkers

Orright, that's more than one question, but are these updates even necessary?  I've managed without the last two major ones and I'm still doing okay... unlike others who got the 1809 update.  I don't feel like I'm missing anything, either.

Use the same rationale and stick with Win 7....even after support for it ends.

With any OS....if you manage to have a STABLE version [a rarity] you can lock out any updating and live happy.

Only proviso....malware exploiting/development is likely to eventually turn things to poo...but safe practices can stop that as well...

MouseGoddess
Reply #10 Friday, November 30, 2018 6:46 PM

Hi! Anyone remember me? LOL I haven't  been on here in forever....why? Because Windows did an update and crashed my computer! No one could seem to fix it so I finally got another and here I am. So, I need to know how to turn off those auto-updates please!

starkers
Reply #11 Friday, November 30, 2018 10:31 PM


Use the same rationale and stick with Win 7....even after support for it ends.

Sadly, I no longer have a copy of Win 7, and I'm not about to purchase another now.  Besides, the places I've checked are selling Win 7 for prices well above those of Win 10.  Even Win 8.1 sells for up to a $100 more than Win 10.


With any OS....if you manage to have a STABLE version [a rarity] you can lock out any updating and live happy.

I have disabled Windows Update and my current version of Win 10 is stable, without major issues, so I'm as happy as I'm going to be.  Win 10 is not my most favourite OS, but it's allowing me to do what I need/want to.


Only proviso....malware exploiting/development is likely to eventually turn things to poo...but safe practices can stop that as well.

There's always the threat of that without security updates, which is why I check regularly for patches, etc, and install them manually as required.  Safe practices obviously help prevent getting malware, but I prefer to be doubly sure, just in case there's an uninvited drive-by.

MouseGoddess

Hi! Anyone remember me? LOL I haven't  been on here in forever....why? Because Windows did an update and crashed my computer! No one could seem to fix it so I finally got another and here I am. So, I need to know how to turn off those auto-updates please!

Hi MouseGoddess, it's good to see you again.  Sorry to hear about your computer going down after getting iffy updates.  Sadly, it seems to be a common occurrence of late, among other things... like data loss and programs no longer working, etc..

There are several programs available which block auto updates, but the one I'm currently using is 'Win10 Spy Disabler v 1.4'.  Here are some other options over a majorgeeks.com.

If you try Win10 Spy Disabler, go to the 'Experts Only' tab.  Disable Windows Update is halfway down the page.  Oh, and don't worry about the 'Experts Only' tag, there's nothing scary in there, and if you only disable updates you'll have nothing to worry about.  I do, however, recommend checking Windows Update regularly for security patches and manually installing those as necessary.

If you try another option after looking through them, would you please post findings here and give your thoughts on it.  Thanks!  It would help others who are having issues.

Fuzzy Logic
Reply #12 Saturday, December 1, 2018 2:17 PM

1809 working perfectly here. I had to disable some of the things I had turned off in the previous version, but, that's typical of major updates. Other than that, business as usual.

Jafo
Reply #13 Saturday, December 1, 2018 8:08 PM

Thing I hate the most is when a Win 10 update wants to mess with your network driver and you can't even get online to correct their fuck-up.

How does Mr. and Mrs. Joe Average with only one computer resolve it?

Take it to a computer shop to get 'fixed' [un-fucked] and be charged X-dollars.

Redmond needs to be FORCED to pay for such.

Will cut into their bottom line to the point they eventually realize they are doing things wrong.

Publius of NV
Reply #14 Saturday, December 1, 2018 8:13 PM

Windows 7 IMHO was the best version of Windows.  Which is why I use Stardock products to make Win10 look as much like Win7 as I can.

Chasbo
Reply #15 Saturday, December 1, 2018 8:36 PM

Publius of NV

Windows 7 IMHO was the best version of Windows.  Which is why I use Stardock products to make Win10 look as much like Win7 as I can.

Couldn't agree more! 

Jafo
Reply #16 Saturday, December 1, 2018 9:31 PM

No....not entirely the fault of Win 10.  All other MS OS vers suffered from 'issues' now and then...but the real difference was that before 10 you could choose to ignore/avoid potential issues....so that others would see the bugs sorted FOR you....and you avoided the grief.

Win 10 just does it whether you like it or not [unless you stop all updating via GPedit or similar].

The truth of Win 10 is that it is a PUBLIC BETA.  It is NOT a 'stable OS', no matter how much the fanbois claim.....oh...we're using the early access versions which are betas...the public one is stable.  Bull-fucking-shit, it is not.

No-one should EVER have the temerity to claim an OS version is stable at the same time it simply deletes ALL your personal User Files....you know....the actual bloody WORK you are trying to do with the 'stable' OS.

Having your own backups is NOT-THE-POINT.  Your OS should not delete your work.....under the auspices of 'a Windows Update'.

anotherside
Reply #17 Saturday, December 1, 2018 9:42 PM


Can anyone clarify if these problems started with Windoes 10? From what I have read on the forums, Windows 10 is a real problem. Keep in mind I haven't used Windows since Windows 7 which was stable. 

I get that a few of you use WB to make Windows 10 look like Windows 7 but that is not what I am asking about. 

Microsoft fired their testers and made users beta testers without a way to opt out. So now users are at the mercy of Microsoft to deliver flawless updates which no OS has ever been able to do. Macs also have problems even if they are rare.

It's the update model that is broken in Windows 10. Well, actually it's the PC (Personal Computer) model that is broken. Your PC is now a playground for Satya and his pals.

 

starkers
Reply #18 Saturday, December 1, 2018 10:01 PM

Fuzzy Logic

1809 working perfectly here. I had to disable some of the things I had turned off in the previous version, but, that's typical of major updates. Other than that, business as usual.

You are one of the lucky ones.  Many users lost data and could not get various programs to work.  And now, with the revised 1809 update, users cannot set default programs to open various tasks.  The entire update process is a complete debacle and MS should be ashamed of itself for the ways its customers are being treated.... with disregard and contempt.


Thing I hate the most is when a Win 10 update wants to mess with your network driver and you can't even get online to correct their fuck-up.

I believe there is a way to prevent this.  When going into update settings, untick 'other updates'.  That should disable driver and 3rd party updates.  Well that's what I did early in the piece when updates feched my network driver, along with my soundcard drivers and graphics card.  MS' inferior graphics drivers are the pits and should never be used over the proprietary ones.

Publius of NV

Windows 7 IMHO was the best version of Windows.  Which is why I use Stardock products to make Win10 look as much like Win7 as I can.

If only I had a copy of Win 7.  I do have a couple of copies of Win 8.1, though, and I'm very nearly tempted to put one of them on my primary machine and do away with 10 altogether.


Can anyone clarify if these problems started with Windoes 10?

Yes, the issues with Windows Update pretty much began with Win 10.  There may have been occasional issues on some machines with earlier Windows editions, but nowhere near as consistently as with Win 10.  Put it this way, a betting man could make a fortune betting on each Win 10 update having massive flaws... if he could get a bookie to take those bets.

Publius of NV
Reply #19 Saturday, December 1, 2018 10:38 PM


I get that a few of you use WB to make Windows 10 look like Windows 7 but that is not what I am asking about.

Actually it's more Start10 than WB, though I use both.  But sorry, I know that's not what you're asking about.

Uvah
Reply #20 Sunday, December 2, 2018 7:25 AM

The latest cumulative update to Win 10 did exactly as I anticipated. In other words it failed, as per usual with these updates. I thought I had fixed the problem with windows updates a while ago but no...I ran the troubleshooter and it said some update components could not be repaired. Now I'm running dism.exe /Online /Cleanup-Image /Restorehealth for the second time. The first time was after I did a sfc /scannow after the last update. It found corrupted files in the update, go figure. I haven't lost anything, knock wood but that doesn't mean some other stupid shit won't happen. I think whatshisname over at MS is in bed with Murphy. You know...the guy who invented Murphy's law. 

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