Slow PC...

Tuesday, June 5, 2018 by kona0197 | Discussion: Personal Computing

Got me a HP laptop. I bought it early last year. It's been a great little computer. Nice and fast. Until about a week ago when we finally got internet back in the house. It used to wake from sleep and be ready for the password to get to the desktop in less then a second after I moved the mouse to wake it. It now takes up to two minutes. The time between the lock screen and when I can input my password has gone from a few seconds to thirty as well. Recent virus scans by Windows Defender and TrendMicro all say I'm clean. Malwarebytes says I have zero infections. Windows update says I have all the latest updates except the latest version of Windows 10, it was buggy so I went back to version 1709. I'm at a loss to explain why the damn thing is being slow, I can only think that Windows is doing so much in the background when booting over the internet that it is being slowed down. Should I turn off some services? Reset Windows? Any help would be appreciated. Thx. 

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Jafo
Reply #21 Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:32 AM

LightStar

The recommended solution was

Windows 7 ...

LightStar
Reply #22 Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:12 AM



Quoting LightStar,

The recommended solution was



Windows 7 ...

Definitely!

JcRabbit
Reply #23 Tuesday, June 19, 2018 5:52 PM

Best way to try to figure out what might be slowing startup is looking at the Windows Event log (Control Panel -> Administrative Tools -> Event Viewer -> Windows Logs -> System) right after a reboot.

A lot of stuff is happening so you will have to scroll down until you see events coming from Kernel-General/Kernel-Power, those usually mark the beginning of the startup process.

Pay attention to the time elapsed between each event from then on - if the time interval is unusually long (as in several seconds) then you've basically identified what is stalling startup (it's the event that takes too long to complete).

This will usually be a Service (in my system, for instance, the Razer Synapse service is well known to cause huge delays, crappy software). Under Windows 10 I don't know, but on 7 the symptoms are a bit different from what you describe though: you are able to type in a password but then you are left staring at a black screen for several seconds until the desktop appears.

This happens because all services must be started before Windows can show you the desktop. If one of them stalls, Windows will be forced to wait for a timeout from the service (usually 30 seconds) before it can proceed to start the next one, etc...

Iben
Reply #24 Tuesday, June 19, 2018 8:53 PM

The red pill.

Windows 8 was the turning point toward what we have today.

I have been observing Microsoft windows updates for quite some time.

I have observed not updating windows for quite some time.

This is the outcome from updating I have observed.

1 sabotage of the operating system itself.

2 sabotage of non Microsoft software like browsers etc.

3 new ad features which I believe actually make the device less secure.

4 a false sense of security that some people can enjoy.

Computer bugs are ripe for plausible deniability,

some might be accidental and some might be deliberate.

I leave it up to you to decide if these outcomes are deliberate

because you can believe what ever you want to believe.  

 

JcRabbit
Reply #25 Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:04 PM

Want to know what IS deliberate? Windows 10 *deliberately* delays the startup of 3rd party applications after a reboot by several seconds. Makes Windows appear to boot faster at the cost of other applications looking MUCH slower.

I had to come up with a devious work-around for this, as Winstep software features the type of applications you REALLY want to start at the same time as the Windows desktop.

AceMatrix
Reply #26 Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:47 PM

With all of the bugs , glitches, work arounds , fixes , and sluggish behavior of Windows 10 , it makes no sense to me as to why people continue to try to carry that atrocious operating system across the finish line. It truely is a text-book demonstration of insanity to continue to do so. Do you know what I like most about Windows 10 ?  The fact that it's NOT installed on my computer.

-- Ace --

Jafo
Reply #27 Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:11 AM

AceMatrix

Do you know what I like most about Windows 10 ?  The fact that it's NOT installed on my computer.

Ditto.... certainly not on my 'serious' computer that is actually intended to 'do stuff'.

The other 5 machines....they're fine.... they don't HAVE TO 'do stuff'....

starkers
Reply #28 Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:42 AM

AceMatrix

Do you know what I like most about Windows 10 ? The fact that it's NOT installed on my computer.

 I'd like to be able to say that, but on this machine, my Hp 2-in-1, it was forced down my throat during Scheduled Maintenance during the middle of the night.  I went to bed happily with Win 8 and woke up grumpily to find I was force fed Win 10 while I was asleep.  The worst thing about it was that I couldn't roll back to Win 8 because all the backup files were deleted during 10's installation.  Now MS will say that they don't do this, but I'll swear on my left and right nut that they did.

As for my 2nd big Beastie, which currently is sitting idle due to necessary changes, I put Win 10 on that of my own volition... or should I say that I pre-empted MS's doing it and somehow not leaving me with a roll-back option.  I don't like Win 10 and I will set up both of my main machines with Win 8 when both are operational again using the OS discs.

For those who question my preference of Win 8 over 7, well I use Start8 with Windowblinds and find it no different to Win 7 to use.  Besides, I no longer have installation media for Win 7, while I now have 2 OS discs for Win 8.

kona0197
Reply #29 Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:35 PM

To those that are curious I have not found a solution to speeding it up, it still lags between boot up and password screen and even more when bringing up the desktop. However since it's only a few extra seconds I've learned to just bear with it. Here in a week or so I'm going to stuff another 4 GB down it's throat, so if having 8 GB installed will speed it up since DDR3 is getting cheaper. I did roll back to version 1709, a few tings are faster. If the RAM upgrade fails to deliver I might just buy a used Mac for cheap or install Linux. 

Iben
Reply #30 Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:22 PM

I have a laptop with a slow CPU it peeks at 1.98 GHz,

but it has a solid state drive.

It boots much faster than any computer I have owned even a vaio that peeked at 3 GHz.

It also runs cool with no fan.

 

starkers
Reply #31 Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:31 PM


I have a laptop with a slow CPU it peeks at 1.98 GHz,

but it has a solid state drive.

It boots much faster than any computer I have owned even a vaio that peeked at 3 GHz.

It also runs cool with no fan.

 

Same here with my HP 2-in-1.  The CPU peaks at roughly the same as yours and has a SSD, which means ultra-fast booting.  Thing is, as JC Rabbit says, Win 10 does sacrifice 3rd party apps to make it appear as though the OS is booting faster.  Personally, I'd like it if Win 10 gave us the opportunity to select most needed 3rd party apps a boot, then I'd say it's faster overall.

kona0197

To those that are curious I have not found a solution to speeding it up, it still lags between boot up and password screen and even more when bringing up the desktop. However since it's only a few extra seconds I've learned to just bear with it.

You're not alone, plenty of people are reporting the same tardiness at boot since the last major update.

Iben
Reply #32 Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:14 AM

My gateway xp computer was fully loaded in five minutes at 230 MB ram and 33 processes.

The computer I am running to post this is fully loaded after a restart in 8 minutes at 1.2 GB ram and about 109 processes.

They are only going to load so fast as they get more process bloated.

I also don't even use it until after 8 minutes after a fresh boot because

if you interrupt the load odds go up that bugs will appear.

I have two other computers windows 8 and 8.1 and let them load 8 minutes before using them.

The one I am posting this with boots to the desktop really fast but that is not fully loaded.

If I don't do a full restart it is ready in less than a minute.

By the time I post this I am using 128 processes.

kona0197
Reply #33 Wednesday, June 27, 2018 2:04 AM

You must have something wrong with your computers. Even when I was running Windows XP on old hardware it never took THAT long to boot. My current machine does it all in under 2 minutes, used to be less. 8 minutes is pushing it.

Iben
Reply #34 Wednesday, June 27, 2018 1:12 PM

I edited my last post.

If I don't do a full restart it is ready in less than a minute. 1.2 GB ram.

Try this, do a full restart open the task manager to the performance tab

you should see CPU,memory,and disk so you can watch all of them.

If you click CPU you get uptime and # of processes.

Full restart watch the task manager for at least 8 minutes.

Move the mouse so it doesn't go into maintenance,

and see when it is all loaded some of it is delayed.

Iben
Reply #35 Wednesday, June 27, 2018 2:34 PM

Try this, open the task manager to the processes tab.

Right click on name select columns.

Select publisher,PID(process id number),process name,CPU,memory,disk and network.

If you click a column the most used goes to the top click again least used goes to the top.

Like CPU or memory or disk or network.Also open the resource monitor select columns.

With the task manager and the resource monitor you can find out what is going on

and learn to get rid of things you don't need.   

Uvah
Reply #36 Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:25 AM

Even with all the past updates my laptop (no SSD), boots with an average time of 42 seconds consistently.

Iben
Reply #37 Thursday, June 28, 2018 9:12 PM

I bought a gateway desktop in may of 2002.

1.8 GHz Pentium 4, 768 MB ram, 40 GB hard drive.

I got all the updates and used it every day until 2013.

I had to replace the power supply one time.

I never have reloaded the software.

I disconnected it from the Internet march 2013.

It still works as good as the day I bought it and I still use it.

It runs 33 processes until I open programs.

Today I looked at a new gaming laptop just to check it out.

It was 2.3 GHz and running 298 processes.

Will it be 600 processes in six months?

 

Fulgrymm
Reply #38 Thursday, June 28, 2018 9:53 PM

There's quite a bit of process bloat with newer OSes. Hell, even WinXP was bloated compared to what came before.

Iben
Reply #39 Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:12 PM

It is around 768 MB ram.

I edited the typo, sorry.   

Iben
Reply #40 Saturday, June 30, 2018 9:25 PM

Here is an example of an update you want.

It comes in usually once a day,I know when it comes in and what size it is.

Different computers and operating systems are different on the timing.

I will attempt to post an image of it here.

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