Is Shmoopy Right?
Tuesday, May 27, 2003 by SelfExiled | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
But, when it reappeared, there was no update date at all. The original upload date is the same as the update date. I know that it was waiting approval last night and I see that the author information has changed so it was updated. But why is the date the same? Is this a honest mistake by the moderators, or is something "hokey-pokey" going on? I spent a lot of time updating this and I would like people to see the date change in case they wanted this version. Was it not changed because it would move it forward in the pages? I'm wondering. The date should be created - 5/22/03, updated - 5/26/03. What's going on, this time?
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Reply #22 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:06 PM
| And maybe only those people who work with the server(I.E. Site Moderators) should comment. |
I have a silly idea............... maybe you should write one of the admins, before you post a thread about how you're being mistreated. All you have to do is click the About link, and you have all our email addresses.
You have responses from 3 admins already, but you choose to ignore what we have told you. Updates within 10 days of original upload do not appear in the updated list. If you've had updates within that time frame that DID show up there, this was either before this practice was implemented, or that was a glitch.
Reply #23 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:16 PM
ChasUGC...I'll correct one little error in your post and all this strangely will look like a load of inflamatory crap, intelligent or not.
So, the ten day limitation isn't correct. [post #19]
This is a relatively recent response to the serial updater/s who abused the system to pathetically remain in the top authors' list as long as possible.
It's part of the implimentation that sees any and all 'updates' go through moderation where in the past Journeymen, etc could auto-bypass that.
Example?...when I was doing my Trapped In Bryceworld wall...it was [intentionally] updated often as it got worse and worse and remained on the new/recent list way longer than it really should.
Now? I do a winamp update a few days after upping the original and it goes into the 'waiting approval' queue and I gotta go in and approve it, but when I do it disappears off the recent list and doesn't show at all. The system is NOW in place that a 'recent' update needs to be 10 days newer than its previous incarnation for it to show in that list as a new update.
I find the necessity for this damn annoying, particularly when my WA skin was a GENUINE and SIGNIFICANT update as it now supported a much later WA version, requiring additional skins to be created. I also see the necessity for the restriction as I saw its abuse.....I mean, exactly how often do you need to update a wallpaper?....what...it has a bug and might crash your system?...
Dragging Shmoopy into a topic heading was a bit unfair, particularly if there is no connection with her original thread and this.
Conspiracy theories and immagination.....what fun we 'really' want to have....but sorry, there's nothing like that at all...just the silent whisper of black helicopters...
Reply #24 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:08 PM
If this is another recent change, then that is fine. I know that it worked differently a while ago. LOOK AT MY CORONA SKIN PLEASE. IT HAD UPDATES WITHIN FOUR DAYS AND THEY SHOW.
No one until now has even mentioned that there was a recent change.
First, I hear that they don't show if they are within ten days. Obviously, that isn't true because of my Corona skin. NO ONE MENTIONED THAT THIS WAS A RECENT CHANGE.
Then, I get a lot of personal attacks calling me Dumb, a Paranoid Hysteric and other things. I'm going to be better than that and not respond anymore.
If this is a recent change then again, that is fine. But, no one has said that. I only heard that there was a ten day limit and no one said it was recent.
And, to end this I'll just say forget it, okay? Do whatever you want to do to make this work the way it will benefit whoever you want. I still don't think its fair to constantly change things like this and get angry when no one knows about it.
If people want to update their skins so that they are better, why should anyone care that they get moved up a page or two. When, old windowblinds from two years get updated they go to the top of the pages. But, if a smaller skin gets updated within a few days, it is now limited? That is not fair. But, Whatever!! I'm out of this, do whatever you want. I'm tired of the personal attacks.
Reply #25 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:23 PM
Reply #26 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:47 PM
ChasUGC...to clarify...the last people to post a response were/are both site admins who tried [obviously in vain] to explain the situation and allay any fears/concerns of discrimination or vote-rigging or whatever.
The admins may or may not have 'issues' with some people but surprisingly are totally impartial to the handling of them or their work/s.
It's a level of professionalism perhaps only shown by those who are both volunteers and who also love the scene/community/field [whatever].
We are neither petty nor vindictive - the recent improvements/changes to upload management/handling is part of an on-going enhancement and perception of fairness, exemplified by the new, more mobile 'top authors' listing which is no longer monopolised by just a few names.
Oh...and the reference to 'black helicopters' is called a 'joke', as in humour, mirth, levity.....great for lightening the overall tone of a topic....guess that didn't get off the ground...[which is not good for helicopters...oh, cripes, another 'joke']...
Reply #27 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:48 PM
Was the date reset to get them back at the top of the list? Maybe in some cases.
Was the date reset from ignorance on the uploaders part in not understanding what a major update entailed? Maybe in some cases.
Was getting the skin back at the top of the list a device to satisfy someone's desire for high download count? Maybe in some cases.
Perhaps there are some of us that skin because they enjoy it and if the dates or the counts are sometimes wrong, so what?
I'm not going to stop skinning because of some glitch or because of some megalomaniac. I continue because I like doing it and some people evidently like it also or they wouldn't download it.
ok, rant over
Reply #28 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:32 PM
Reply #30 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:16 PM
Chas, no need to apologize to me…I was just feeling enough heat is all. He-he!
Chas, I’m going to explain why the admins changed the update thing-a-ma-jig from my own funky perception…okay?
1). Updates are treated (as I see) as ‘brand new and improved’ and therefore should only be showcased if the update is truly a major overhaul.
2). An older updated skin that has made a major revamp IS a remarkable and valid update and therefore deserves to be treated practically as a brand new skin.
3). At the end of the day people DID abuse the system (I saw this myself quite a bit on a day to day basis) whether purposely or out of ignorance… Even I updated some things myself that were fairly cosmetic on my very first newbie skin which is no longer on this site (I think I’ve updated 3 or 4 skins out of all of them that I’ve had here). One update was my Bow-Hunter cursor which was also cosmetic but did add some helpful features my previous version didn’t (thanks to Ingui) but it was never in the Updates section…in fact nothing I’ve updated has been in the updates section I’m pretty sure because my updates were usually pretty fast (because I know if I don’t update something soon then chances are I won’t get around to updating it).
4). If a fairly spankin’-new skin with a few tweaks gets shuffled back to the front of the deck over let’s say, ‘Jill’s new skin’ that has never been seen before and then Larry ups his new-skin with an update and that sinks Jill’s skin that much further down on the page and you get the idea…well, that would seem to me to be a bit unfair to Jill?
5). I’m not running this site so I can’t see what goes on behind the green curtain…all I can do is take someone’s word for it that they are doing right by people and hope that they mean it.
Angel_Wings gives Chas a (((HUG))) and reminds him that the majority of people on this thread gave polite and helpful answers as best they could (just ignore the snotty ones). Nobody’s perfekt.
Black helicopters…I wonder…nahhhhhhhh!
Speaking of…”The admins may or may not have 'issues' with some people but surprisingly are totally impartial to the handling of them or their work/s.”
Hmm. I just noticed Master Apprentice on my info. How’d when/that happen? Another glitch? Spoke too soon!
Reply #31 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:49 PM
| #25 by Mr ChasUGC - 5/27/2003 7:08:07 PM ... Then, I get a lot of personal attacks calling me Dumb, a Paranoid Hysteric and other things. I'm going to be better than that and not respond anymore. |
Oh, I see You were not attacking anyone in Your first post.
And for me there is a difference between calling someone dumb (which I didn't do) and calling something dumb someone says.
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Reply #32 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:50 PM
Reply #33 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:52 PM
hehe sounds funny aloud...
Reply #36 Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:50 AM
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Reply #38 Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:04 AM
so, presumably the skin update updated the value that the library was being sorted on.
all right, i have just loaded the DesktopX library, and by default it sorted on "Updated". you can choose to sort it by "Created" instead.
so, if i am reading your question right, this is an example of a skin getting a new updated date. whether that is right or wrong i dont know, since i havent looked at that DesktopX theme. i hope this helps
Reply #39 Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:24 AM
Reply #40 Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:25 AM
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Reply #21 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:42 PM
Look, if you have a question why not first find out what the heck is going on before engaging in public spectacle and speculation? (Same for those many others whose first move is to bleat publicly here about injustice when they haven't bothered to first try to ascertain the actual facts.)
Have a question about site operations? Email a site op, admin, mod, whatever and get an answer first rather than engage in unfounded public speculation and paranoia. Then if there really is something that should be brought to others' attention in a public manner, here's the venue and you'll have a case based on fact rather than paranoid hysteria. Better than pulling a Chicken Little.
Or do you really think it's better to just yell "fire" in a crowded theater because you think you saw someone flic a bic (or was it a small flashlight) when in fact no fire was actually set?