WHAT THE????????????? :(
Thursday, May 22, 2003 by Angel_Wings | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Uh.
My skin should have been in the top downloads. RIGHT?
Defcon is above me even though I had more downloads and came in later yesterday! I'm not even in the showing on Top Downloads and yet I made Top authors with only a 2nd skin? BOOOOOOOO!
Geez. C'mon.
I'm gonna go to bed and have a good cry.
Girl skinners get no respect. hmph! 
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My skin should have been in the top downloads. RIGHT?
Defcon is above me even though I had more downloads and came in later yesterday! I'm not even in the showing on Top Downloads and yet I made Top authors with only a 2nd skin? BOOOOOOOO!
Geez. C'mon.
I'm gonna go to bed and have a good cry.
Girl skinners get no respect. hmph!
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JamMeister33
Reply #62 Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:11 PM
Reply #62 Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:11 PM
Don't worry Shmoopy dear, we still love you......... 
Lecrayon
Reply #63 Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:45 PM
Reply #63 Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:45 PM
Ah, that's good to hear shmoop. Anyway, you are too hooked on this skinning I bet. I have never been in the top d/l and never been in the top authors. That's because I share what I made with pleasure and am not really interested in the status of popularity. That's another category where too many people make too many similar look alikes (my opinion..flame me for that if someone feels the need). As you say in your skin comment, if you make one person happy with your WB, you have succeeded. I think you have made more than one happy...I'd say keep on skinning and feel the pleasure of seeing your own creativity coming to life 
adni18
Reply #64 Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:48 PM
Reply #64 Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:48 PM
BoXXi said:
", just a calculation method, which is a secret at the moment as different methods are being appraised. I assume that when one method is decided upon, the information will be available to all"
Unbelievable!!!
I really don't understand why it has to be a secret and it has to be decided without us!
Are we the enemies or the competitors of WinCustomize???
No, I don't think so, all of us we are the WinCustomize site, not just 2 or 3 persons, don't you think???
Do you think that without the authors WinCustomize can exist?
Please, be kind with the authors and their posts.
", just a calculation method, which is a secret at the moment as different methods are being appraised. I assume that when one method is decided upon, the information will be available to all"
Unbelievable!!!
I really don't understand why it has to be a secret and it has to be decided without us!
Are we the enemies or the competitors of WinCustomize???
No, I don't think so, all of us we are the WinCustomize site, not just 2 or 3 persons, don't you think???
Do you think that without the authors WinCustomize can exist?
Please, be kind with the authors and their posts.
Sylva
Reply #65 Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:55 PM
Reply #65 Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:55 PM
Yes, adni, you are correct, all of us make up the wincustomize web-site. But it belongs to the admins.
Also, why should the vocal minority (the small handful of skinners who are actually active on the message board) make the decision for those of us who do not participate as much on the message board because we are busy with other things? The fact is, most of us are quite happy with the system, because we know that the admins are doing their best to create a fair environment for all of us skinners.
Also, why should the vocal minority (the small handful of skinners who are actually active on the message board) make the decision for those of us who do not participate as much on the message board because we are busy with other things? The fact is, most of us are quite happy with the system, because we know that the admins are doing their best to create a fair environment for all of us skinners.
Alexandrie
Reply #66 Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:58 PM
Reply #66 Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:58 PM
hey guys calm down, do I cry because I am not on top?? no...
Should I say I am not on top so that means I am not good skinner? probably and maybe not... it's up to you to think what you want. what is the most important is to have fun
Please guys lefts talk about something else and have fun..
Lecrayon
Reply #68 Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:02 PM
Better: in charge...Me thinks WC belongs to SD...
Reply #68 Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:02 PM
| all of us make up the wincustomize web-site. But it belongs to the admins. |
Better: in charge...Me thinks WC belongs to SD...
adni18
Reply #70 Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:20 PM
Reply #70 Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:20 PM
Well, I know very well where WinCustomize belongs Jacob and I understand that they have the right to do whatever they want, then what is the point to have all this discussion?
I don't know which are "the most of us" Sylva_cg76. But, I can imagine.
Hi Alexandrie, I didn't saw anyone crying. Crying or not, you sould be in the Top Authors list because you are one of the Best, no doubt about it, but I guess this not the case now. Is it?
I don't know which are "the most of us" Sylva_cg76. But, I can imagine.
Hi Alexandrie, I didn't saw anyone crying. Crying or not, you sould be in the Top Authors list because you are one of the Best, no doubt about it, but I guess this not the case now. Is it?
Keila
Reply #71 Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:36 PM
I agree with everything you said there.
Very well put.
Reply #71 Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:36 PM
| #63 by Lecrayon |
I agree with everything you said there.
Very well put.
Jafo
Reply #72 Thursday, May 22, 2003 5:40 PM
Reply #72 Thursday, May 22, 2003 5:40 PM
Since day One of the creation of the 'Top Authors' listing...and watching its virtual stagnation with barely any change at all, I have longed for a shake-up to see greater transience and life to the listing.
I personally couldn't decide whether the 'stasis' was down to a poor accounting system or premeditated or deliberate 'cheating'.
It was very likely a bit of both. If one author had a million skins to choose from he/she would naturally stagnate on the list while the less prolific but perhaps more popular would not get a look-see.
Then there was the time a WinAMP skin leapt into the top downloads...even though it was below average in quality and quite old as well...clearly being linked to from off-site...and having absolutely no bearing on what was actually 'popular' to the Wincustomize members at all.
Since I care 100% of nothing whether my works ever made it into any of these lists or not, I have no personal interest in the ranking method, apart from the fact that I care for an equitable system for ALL skinners and artists who are valued members of this site, and not just the extremely prolific, or those who perhaps find ways and means to synthetically cook the books.
I like the way a 'big-time' skinner/artist like Adni18 can be up there on the same list as a relative new-comer like Shmoopy.
It is no longer a who's who of skinning, but a who's currently doing good stuff in skinning.....and THAT is a Good Thing[tm].....
Angel_Wings
Reply #73 Thursday, May 22, 2003 5:47 PM
Reply #73 Thursday, May 22, 2003 5:47 PM
LeCrayon you are one of the tops in my book and thank you for your kind and supportive words.
I agree with you wholeheartedly in that I’d rather spend 3 weeks on one skin that I put a lot of love and heart into rather than pumping out a bunch of clones. That would feel like having the creative wind knocked out of me if I wasn’t true to myself artistically.
NOW, one last thing on the download counts…I thought that with the new system that people weren’t able to ‘bloat’ download scores but a little Sherlock-thinking brings me to the conclusion that THIS must have been the case with my skin then since I don’t see how such a new skin could have been hotlinked by anyone but ME and I didn’t and it would be easy enough to see by looking at the origin of downloads in the WC stats that the Admins have access to that I most certainly DIDN’T hotlink my skin.
Soooo, if that IS the case and someone/someones WAS/WERE trying to purposely UP my download score (why on earth they’d do that leaves me to ponder the conscience of such a person) then I must ask you whoever you are to please NEVER do that for or TO ANY author. WHY?
1). It’s not fair to the AUTHOR! I don’t want ‘false’ downloads. What on earth does that do for me except confuse the heck out of me and then I end up thinking I got ‘dissed’ and my desire for fairness kicks in and I get upset and for what? I’d rather have ONE HONEST download than 10 fake ones! So don’t do ME or ANY other authors any favors by clicking on the download button more than ONCE unless your download didn’t work the first time.
2). It’s also not fair to OTHER AUTHORS. Cheating for ONE author cheats all the OTHER AUTHORS! THAT is an obvious one.
3). The best way to truly show your appreciation to an author is to leave a constructive or kind comment since many authors appreciate help/comments just as much if not MORE than downloads.
Sorry, I just don’t know what else to conclude since there couldn’t have been hotlinking and if 100+ downloads of mine were nullified from counting in the Top Downloads then I must assume those were dishonest in some way which is just as depressing to me. I guess I can’t even trust any numbers now that I see until stuff gets worked out…
Jafo using Martha Stewart quotes?
Angel_Wings gives everyone a hug and laughs at herself for taking things way too seriously.
I agree with you wholeheartedly in that I’d rather spend 3 weeks on one skin that I put a lot of love and heart into rather than pumping out a bunch of clones. That would feel like having the creative wind knocked out of me if I wasn’t true to myself artistically.
NOW, one last thing on the download counts…I thought that with the new system that people weren’t able to ‘bloat’ download scores but a little Sherlock-thinking brings me to the conclusion that THIS must have been the case with my skin then since I don’t see how such a new skin could have been hotlinked by anyone but ME and I didn’t and it would be easy enough to see by looking at the origin of downloads in the WC stats that the Admins have access to that I most certainly DIDN’T hotlink my skin.
Soooo, if that IS the case and someone/someones WAS/WERE trying to purposely UP my download score (why on earth they’d do that leaves me to ponder the conscience of such a person) then I must ask you whoever you are to please NEVER do that for or TO ANY author. WHY?
1). It’s not fair to the AUTHOR! I don’t want ‘false’ downloads. What on earth does that do for me except confuse the heck out of me and then I end up thinking I got ‘dissed’ and my desire for fairness kicks in and I get upset and for what? I’d rather have ONE HONEST download than 10 fake ones! So don’t do ME or ANY other authors any favors by clicking on the download button more than ONCE unless your download didn’t work the first time.
2). It’s also not fair to OTHER AUTHORS. Cheating for ONE author cheats all the OTHER AUTHORS! THAT is an obvious one.
3). The best way to truly show your appreciation to an author is to leave a constructive or kind comment since many authors appreciate help/comments just as much if not MORE than downloads.
Sorry, I just don’t know what else to conclude since there couldn’t have been hotlinking and if 100+ downloads of mine were nullified from counting in the Top Downloads then I must assume those were dishonest in some way which is just as depressing to me. I guess I can’t even trust any numbers now that I see until stuff gets worked out…
Jafo using Martha Stewart quotes?
Angel_Wings gives everyone a hug and laughs at herself for taking things way too seriously.
bordfryr
Reply #74 Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:37 PM
Shmoopy, please explain this. Sounds too serious.
Reply #74 Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:37 PM
| #5 by Mr Shmoopy_on_Vacation - 5/22/2003 12:48:28 AM I have 2 years tops left that I don't need wasting here. Whatever. |
Shmoopy, please explain this. Sounds too serious.
Angel_Wings
Reply #75 Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:45 PM
Reply #75 Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:45 PM
I shouldn't have said something that personal...I apologize for letting that slip. Things let out in haste are just a waste.
Don't worry yourself and smile because each day is precious and rare! 
Don't worry yourself and smile because each day is precious and rare!
Iben
Reply #76 Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:28 PM
Reply #76 Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:28 PM
I'm commenting on the beginning of the thread.
I noticed about 29 years ago that life is not fare and I don't think it was meant to be fare.
Oh well life goes on.
I have also noticed what goes around comes around.
In other words things even out in the end.
I noticed about 29 years ago that life is not fare and I don't think it was meant to be fare.
Oh well life goes on.
I have also noticed what goes around comes around.
In other words things even out in the end.
Iben
Reply #77 Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:59 PM
Interesting I learn something new every day !!I did not know there was a link to go to the rankings page.I didn't know there was a rankings page until just now, I found it.
Reply #77 Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:59 PM
| #34 by Admin Frogboy - 5/22/2003 9:44:26 AM Schmoopy, don't make me get the can of whoop ass out okay?Remember the whole top author/skin discussions we've been having for the past month? They're not biased against anyone, they are designed to provide a more fair system as a whole. If you click on the top skins area and go to the rankings page, you'll find your skin ranked by the raw downloads.But on the home page, it's not purely raw downloads, it's based on downloads by users with a specific criteria. Odds are in your case it was very close. But the system prevents tampering (inadvertent or intentional). |
Interesting I learn something new every day !!I did not know there was a link to go to the rankings page.I didn't know there was a rankings page until just now, I found it.
Angel_Wings
Reply #79 Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:12 PM
Reply #79 Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:12 PM
Actually, I thought that was really extra special sweet of Frogboy to dare to open up a can of "whoopass" on me for something I was hurting and feeling cheated over...
Sorry GODS of WC, I'll think twice before I seek fairness.
Thank you Brad, maybe you can kick me in the gut too whilst your at it! Oh wait...sock me in the eye too! Did you even LOOK at the rankings from a NON-ADMINS eyes before you verbally wrangled me?
Geez. It's so nice to feel loved.
I apologize for 'infecting' this board with my heart and soul.
I shall no longer bother. I'm sorry for trying, I'm sorry for crying...I'm sorry.
I'm so wrong...so very wrong...guess I should bow and scrape.
Sorry GODS of WC, I'll think twice before I seek fairness.
Thank you Brad, maybe you can kick me in the gut too whilst your at it! Oh wait...sock me in the eye too! Did you even LOOK at the rankings from a NON-ADMINS eyes before you verbally wrangled me?
Geez. It's so nice to feel loved.
I apologize for 'infecting' this board with my heart and soul.
I shall no longer bother. I'm sorry for trying, I'm sorry for crying...I'm sorry.
I'm so wrong...so very wrong...guess I should bow and scrape.
Iben
Reply #80 Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:20 PM
Reply #80 Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:20 PM
This thread was a good thing all in all I learned some new stuff about WC.
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Reply #61 Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:04 PM
I also didn't hotlink to my own skin and I only downloaded my own skin once to check that the download worked since someone wrote on my skin that she couldn't get it to work so I tried it and when it worked okay I told her how to get it to download right.
Anyway, I apologize for getting upset over something that is just a waste of everyone's time and energy.
BTW I don't belong in Top Authors with only 2 skins here. But that will change soon enough.
... Angel_Wings shrugs and smiles and waves to the people she cares about and who have been kind to her here.