Metallica!!.....................sell-outs?
Sunday, May 11, 2003 by ToolWraith | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Yea, they're playin this summer! But, who here besides me believes that they have become sellouts? No offense to those hardcore, head-bangin' fans out there, 
but they're playing with Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park! 
...grr(well, linkin park USED to be alright, until the radio and MTV [and the mindless, raving japs] killed them)
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Jafo
Reply #22 Monday, May 12, 2003 2:38 PM
Reply #22 Monday, May 12, 2003 2:38 PM
Gosh...there's nothing in the world worse than a jaded fan...come on, people....things change, people change...music changes....don't like the changes?..fine...just don't find that to be some excuse to pirate the music...
Tech-Cat
Reply #23 Monday, May 12, 2003 2:49 PM
Reply #23 Monday, May 12, 2003 2:49 PM
I am going to enjoy illegally downloading and burning my own copy of Metallica's new album for free because it pisses Metallica off.
knatzz
Reply #24 Monday, May 12, 2003 3:14 PM
Reply #24 Monday, May 12, 2003 3:14 PM
I hope I'm not the "Jaded fan" you're referencing Jafo, 
because I'm not a fan of metallica at all, and never was, not even in the '80's. I have never bought anything they have done, and also never downloaded anything from them "kazaa style" either. It is impossible to play a heavy style of guitar for 15 years and not be exposed to them though, sadly. I guess you could call me an "Anti-fan" 
And I second your point; just because they are untalented 2-faced jerks doesn't give anyone the right to steal their crap, er music. Just wanted to make that clear
because I'm not a fan of metallica at all, and never was, not even in the '80's. I have never bought anything they have done, and also never downloaded anything from them "kazaa style" either. It is impossible to play a heavy style of guitar for 15 years and not be exposed to them though, sadly. I guess you could call me an "Anti-fan" 
And I second your point; just because they are untalented 2-faced jerks doesn't give anyone the right to steal their crap, er music. Just wanted to make that clear
MarkMcQ
Reply #25 Monday, May 12, 2003 3:45 PM
Reply #25 Monday, May 12, 2003 3:45 PM
#17 by Phydeaux_3 - 5/12/2003 8:35:48 AM What really makes my bacon angry is that when they started out they built their careers on tape-trading, they had no problem at all with any/everyone swapping Kill 'Em All & Ride The Lightning, if not for trading they probably never would have made it off the ground.
Yes, that would be because it was THEIR music they were trading and they gave their blessing to such trades.
I doubt anyone using Napster to swap music has any form of permission from the related bands saying "Yeah sure, please steal our music and illegally distribute it"
As for the people whining because Metallica aren't 'metal' anymore, why would they keep playing the same stuff?
Their new stuff is certainly different from the old stuff, but I'd say it's as 'metal' as anything they've done.
Take 'Fuel' from reload or 'Wasting my hate' from Load. Pretty fast, pretty tight. Almost classic 'tallica.
As for the rest, it's called 'evolving'. They can play what they damn well like, and if people don't like it, who gives a crap? Don't buy the album.
I saw them play here in '99, and trust me, they still have 'it'.
Besides if they still played the same stuff, people would lose interest if they were hearing album after album of the same thing.
How many people can remember when Exodus, or Anihhilator, or Armoured Saint last made an album that didn't make you think "Umm, isn't this just the last one with new lyrics?"
What it all comes down to is quite simply this:
How many of you have a band that's selling out stadiums, selling millions of albums and have millions of fans around the world, like the 'untalented' Metallica?
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Yes, that would be because it was THEIR music they were trading and they gave their blessing to such trades.
I doubt anyone using Napster to swap music has any form of permission from the related bands saying "Yeah sure, please steal our music and illegally distribute it"
As for the people whining because Metallica aren't 'metal' anymore, why would they keep playing the same stuff?
Their new stuff is certainly different from the old stuff, but I'd say it's as 'metal' as anything they've done.
Take 'Fuel' from reload or 'Wasting my hate' from Load. Pretty fast, pretty tight. Almost classic 'tallica.
As for the rest, it's called 'evolving'. They can play what they damn well like, and if people don't like it, who gives a crap? Don't buy the album.
I saw them play here in '99, and trust me, they still have 'it'.
Besides if they still played the same stuff, people would lose interest if they were hearing album after album of the same thing.
How many people can remember when Exodus, or Anihhilator, or Armoured Saint last made an album that didn't make you think "Umm, isn't this just the last one with new lyrics?"
What it all comes down to is quite simply this:
How many of you have a band that's selling out stadiums, selling millions of albums and have millions of fans around the world, like the 'untalented' Metallica?
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MarkMcQ
Reply #26 Monday, May 12, 2003 3:48 PM
Reply #26 Monday, May 12, 2003 3:48 PM
And why doesn't that bloody quote button work for me?
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Jafo
Reply #27 Monday, May 12, 2003 4:00 PM
Reply #27 Monday, May 12, 2003 4:00 PM
Oh, and there's a bunch of tossers out there who think Floyd started with Dark Side. Fortunately, they, too evolved...
I've got a bike
You can ride it if you like
It's got a basket
A bell
And things to make it look good
I'd give it to you if I could
But I borrowed it.
Yep....classic The Pink Floyd
There's nothing wrong with Metallica's music.....[but then I think 'thrash metal' is absolute crud....give me a slow, hard thumper, anyday]...
DarkMist
Reply #28 Monday, May 12, 2003 4:16 PM
Reply #28 Monday, May 12, 2003 4:16 PM
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Asimo
Reply #32 Monday, May 12, 2003 5:38 PM
Reply #32 Monday, May 12, 2003 5:38 PM
Well, I hate to be the one to disappoint all of the haters here, but I’ve heard the first five songs off of the new CD, and all I could say afterwards was…
That’s right, I was speechless for a few minutes. I’ve listened to Metallica since I was given this “Metal Massacre I” tape around ’83 that had this kick butt tune called “Hit the Lights” on it. At the time I was blown away by that version of the tune and became an instant fan. Fast forward to today and I have to say that I felt the same way about the five tunes I have recently heard as I did about “Hit the Lights” back then: I am blown away.
That was over twenty years ago. Each and every one of us has changed dramatically over the past twenty years and if you happen to be working at the same company that you were back then (if you were old enough to work at all!) then I highly doubt that you are doing the same thing at that company. The truth is, musicians get ripped on all of the time for going through this syndrome that all of us go through: change. Expecting someone to do the same thing over and over and over for twenty years without going nuts is highly unrealistic. Only AC/DC is allowed to sound exactly the same after this length of time, but that’s because they were nuts *before* they started in the music biz… hehehe…
As for Metallica, yes they explored other ideas musically. Had they not released these explorations as CD’s then people would have screamed for them until they did. Had they released them as another band name (which musicians often do) people still would have bought them. That’s what fans do. Compared side by side to Master of Puppets there are just as many “mid-tempo” tracks to be found on that as there are on Load, it’s just that Load contained songs that clocked in under the time limit that you could call “radio playable”. I’m not saying that Load is anywhere as good as Master, but it does hold up as a solid hard rock/metal CD on it’s own.
Mainly what has happened on this new Metallica CD is that James has “combined” the old voice with the new voice. The reasons here are two-fold. One, he actually learned how to carry a note over the past twenty years and once you “learn” how to sing it’s hard to not use your “true” singing voice. And two, his old style of “singing” was bad on the vocal chords. Again, only AC/DC can gargle Drano and sing the same way for twenty years and still talk.
I predict that a majority of the hate-them-because-they-sound-different-after-twenty-years crowd are going to eventually get every song off of this new CD, be it from a legal purchase or from the Internet, they will gladly add this to their Metallica collection because it is quite possibly their best work to date.
That’s right, I was speechless for a few minutes. I’ve listened to Metallica since I was given this “Metal Massacre I” tape around ’83 that had this kick butt tune called “Hit the Lights” on it. At the time I was blown away by that version of the tune and became an instant fan. Fast forward to today and I have to say that I felt the same way about the five tunes I have recently heard as I did about “Hit the Lights” back then: I am blown away.
That was over twenty years ago. Each and every one of us has changed dramatically over the past twenty years and if you happen to be working at the same company that you were back then (if you were old enough to work at all!) then I highly doubt that you are doing the same thing at that company. The truth is, musicians get ripped on all of the time for going through this syndrome that all of us go through: change. Expecting someone to do the same thing over and over and over for twenty years without going nuts is highly unrealistic. Only AC/DC is allowed to sound exactly the same after this length of time, but that’s because they were nuts *before* they started in the music biz… hehehe…
As for Metallica, yes they explored other ideas musically. Had they not released these explorations as CD’s then people would have screamed for them until they did. Had they released them as another band name (which musicians often do) people still would have bought them. That’s what fans do. Compared side by side to Master of Puppets there are just as many “mid-tempo” tracks to be found on that as there are on Load, it’s just that Load contained songs that clocked in under the time limit that you could call “radio playable”. I’m not saying that Load is anywhere as good as Master, but it does hold up as a solid hard rock/metal CD on it’s own.
Mainly what has happened on this new Metallica CD is that James has “combined” the old voice with the new voice. The reasons here are two-fold. One, he actually learned how to carry a note over the past twenty years and once you “learn” how to sing it’s hard to not use your “true” singing voice. And two, his old style of “singing” was bad on the vocal chords. Again, only AC/DC can gargle Drano and sing the same way for twenty years and still talk.
I predict that a majority of the hate-them-because-they-sound-different-after-twenty-years crowd are going to eventually get every song off of this new CD, be it from a legal purchase or from the Internet, they will gladly add this to their Metallica collection because it is quite possibly their best work to date.
Asimo
Reply #33 Monday, May 12, 2003 5:46 PM
Reply #33 Monday, May 12, 2003 5:46 PM
… and one more thing: the RIAA killed Napster, not Metallica. Metallica’s biggest beef was that Napster was making millions off of copy written (?) material without the artists consent. Metallica actually worked out a deal with Napster that would have allowed their music to be traded “legally”. It was the RIAA who buried Napster in lawsuits that ended it. Not to worry though, as several of the the people involved with Napster made it out with multiple-millions of dollars before it was shut down… Crime does pay 
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KarmaGirl
Reply #34 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:48 AM
Reply #34 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:48 AM
Downloading for free something that you would never buy does not effect the band that you are trying to "piss off". (That is directed to the people who said that they can't wait to download it for free just to piss Metallica off.) It doesn't effect their bottom line either way.
It's just like a 13 year old pirating software that he could never buy anyway. Is it wrong? Yes! But, it doesn't effect the bottom line.
The whole Napster thing was a publicity stunt for them. I doubt that their sales dropped because of it (they probably went up due to added exposure). But, the fact that they were in the headlines all the time kept them in the public eye.
I hope that their new stuff is more like their old stuff (pre-enter sandman). I'd like to hear some decent metal. I'll have to hear it to believe it, though.
I still want to know how you head bang with glasses on....
kona0197
Reply #35 Friday, May 16, 2003 1:56 AM
Reply #35 Friday, May 16, 2003 1:56 AM
Um , I don't know if anyone has said anything, but last time i heard, Metallica's bass player, Jason Newstead, left the band. Have they replaced him or has he come back?
kona0197
Reply #37 Friday, May 16, 2003 2:08 AM
Reply #37 Friday, May 16, 2003 2:08 AM
I don't care about all that and decides what you said is not helpful. i was hoping someone would help me by answer this question. Did Jason get back together or not?
Tech-Cat
Reply #38 Friday, May 16, 2003 2:12 AM
Reply #38 Friday, May 16, 2003 2:12 AM
No he didn't. I don't think he will being going back ever.
Tech-Cat
Reply #40 Friday, May 16, 2003 2:14 AM
Reply #40 Friday, May 16, 2003 2:14 AM
I think they have only had substitute replacements. So far they have had some guy from Ozzy's band which was mentioned earlier in this thread. I don't know if they are planning on having a permanent replacement.
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Reply #21 Monday, May 12, 2003 12:22 PM