Metallica!!.....................sell-outs?
Sunday, May 11, 2003 by ToolWraith | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Yea, they're playin this summer! But, who here besides me believes that they have become sellouts? No offense to those hardcore, head-bangin' fans out there, 
but they're playing with Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park! 
...grr(well, linkin park USED to be alright, until the radio and MTV [and the mindless, raving japs] killed them)
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dan.wright
Reply #2 Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:12 PM
Reply #2 Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:12 PM
If their album lives up to the reviews I've read, then I don't care who they tour with, looking forward to the somewhat return to the old school sound.
By the way, what does 'and the mindless, raving japs' mean? Just kind of caught me as odd.
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By the way, what does 'and the mindless, raving japs' mean? Just kind of caught me as odd.
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da_zman20
Reply #3 Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:22 PM
Reply #3 Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:22 PM
Mindless Raving Japs = I believe he is referring to the type of people that blast Linkin Park in their hondas which have only one sub for the low and high end sound, and it sounds horrible, but they don't care because the hole car is vibrating, and it annoys everyone around them....
The DJ
Reply #4 Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:29 PM
Reply #4 Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:29 PM
Actually they're smart; how many younger people are going to be there for Linkin Park and even these other bands, you know.
I've had tickets for their upcoming concert and couldn't care less about Linkin Park and especially Limp Bizkit. Besiedes Metallica, I'm really lookin towards the Deftones and Mudvayne.
I've also heard great things about their upcoming album. The Deftones' new album is being released on the 20th and I should have that by tomorrow or the next. The song Hexagram is the joint. Mudvayne's new joint is pretty good too. Besides those two bands, it's gonna be a bangin ass concert.
*insert several head bangin smiley faces here*
I've had tickets for their upcoming concert and couldn't care less about Linkin Park and especially Limp Bizkit. Besiedes Metallica, I'm really lookin towards the Deftones and Mudvayne.
I've also heard great things about their upcoming album. The Deftones' new album is being released on the 20th and I should have that by tomorrow or the next. The song Hexagram is the joint. Mudvayne's new joint is pretty good too. Besides those two bands, it's gonna be a bangin ass concert.
*insert several head bangin smiley faces here*
Tech-Cat
Reply #5 Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:31 PM
Reply #5 Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:31 PM
Metallica has upset me since the day they decided it would be cool to make a big stink about Napster.
da_zman20
Reply #7 Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:44 PM
Reply #7 Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:44 PM
Something needed to be done about napster, but I don't think the blame should be put on Napster for what the napster users do....
if a person buys a VCR and copys movies with it, then should the VCR manufacturer be held responsible...????
And it wasn't only Metallica trying to bring down Napster, in fact there were many, many bands trying to bring down Napster...
if a person buys a VCR and copys movies with it, then should the VCR manufacturer be held responsible...????
And it wasn't only Metallica trying to bring down Napster, in fact there were many, many bands trying to bring down Napster...
Tech-Cat
Reply #8 Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:57 PM
Reply #8 Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:57 PM
I have something to add but I will make a new thread since it is not about Metallica.
knatzz
Reply #9 Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:32 PM
Reply #9 Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:32 PM
Metallica have been sellouts sice'93 when they released the black album. Before that they were mediocre at best. They have never done anything original and are highly overrated. They built thier name in the eighties by pledging to be "about the music" they were making and against any outward image. Today they are everything they said they never would be and got rich doing it. Just MHO, but there are better bands to listen to, and artists much more worthy of praise and support than those arrogant untalented Arses!
(Rant over)
(Rant over)
Tech-Cat
Reply #10 Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:36 PM
Reply #10 Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:36 PM
I agree with you competely knatzz. Personally I prefer listening to my pre-Black Album CDs when I do listen to Metallica.
craeonics
Reply #11 Monday, May 12, 2003 1:46 AM
Reply #11 Monday, May 12, 2003 1:46 AM
I prefer not to listen to it at all. Moved past that stage to the darker tones eminating from the northern lands.
But er, why is a band considered "sell out" if they get popular?
But er, why is a band considered "sell out" if they get popular?
KarmaGirl
Reply #12 Monday, May 12, 2003 4:24 AM
Reply #12 Monday, May 12, 2003 4:24 AM
Metallica has sucked every since they cut their hair.
I listened to them before they were ever on the radio or before they had "One" on MTV. Once they became mainstream, they became more "PC" and less heavy.
They aren't the same four horsemen anymore, either. They have a new bass player. (Who has played for other bands including Ozzy).
MTV brought back headbangers ball last weekend. Metallica hosted it. They are a bunch of lack luster 40 year olds trying to act like teenagers.
James was wearing *glasses*! How the hell do you head bang with glasses on?
I could rant all day about this..... I liked them back before they were "known", but they have been selling out along the way every since. In the beginning, they bashed other bands for "being for the money" because they were "about the music" and played free concerts until they got a following and started seeing $$$. I have no problem with them making money, but they are hypocrites in general.
hmmm....should pull out Garage Days revisited and go listen to a bit of "Last Caress-green hell" or "Am I Evil" for old times sake......
MarkMcQ
Reply #13 Monday, May 12, 2003 4:47 AM
Reply #13 Monday, May 12, 2003 4:47 AM
Metallica play music.
They enjoy doing so.
They enjoy doing it in front of people.
They enjoy getting paid to do so.
If that's selling out, then every band signed to any label has sold-out.
If that's selling out then any band playing gigs in their local pub has sold out.
Come back when you truly understand the concept if a band 'selling out', Toolwraith.
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They enjoy doing so.
They enjoy doing it in front of people.
They enjoy getting paid to do so.
If that's selling out, then every band signed to any label has sold-out.
If that's selling out then any band playing gigs in their local pub has sold out.
Come back when you truly understand the concept if a band 'selling out', Toolwraith.
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KarmaGirl
Reply #14 Monday, May 12, 2003 5:03 AM
Reply #14 Monday, May 12, 2003 5:03 AM
I guess you have to know Metallica from back when they started to know why people call them "sell-outs". They started out trying to be like a heavy metal "Phish". They didn't stay that way.
craeonics
Reply #15 Monday, May 12, 2003 5:06 AM
Reply #15 Monday, May 12, 2003 5:06 AM
There's not much "metal" in Metallica these days, but that does not make them "sell-outs".
Phydeaux_3
Reply #17 Monday, May 12, 2003 8:35 AM
Reply #17 Monday, May 12, 2003 8:35 AM
I hafta agree with KarmaGirl, they USED TO be the shiznat, now they're just shi... er.. crappy.
I gave up on them when I fired up Napster one day & got the message "you have been banned from using Napster by Metallica..." etc. That very day I unsubscribed to their newsletter & vowed to NEVER give them another thin dime outta my pocket. What clinched it for me though was Lars' answer in an interview when asked if we wasn't afraid of aliennating the fans & he said something to the effect "we've got enough fans already..." I had to agree with him, they don't need me as a fan.
What really makes my bacon angry is that when they started out they built their careers on tape-trading, they had no problem at all with any/everyone swapping Kill 'Em All & Ride The Lightning, if not for trading they probably never would have made it off the ground. But then all of a sudden once they've got a taste for the bling nobody should be allowed to trade music anymore? That's total BS (imho), seems as if in fact they were biting the very hands that fed them.
So, after I hacked my reg & got my Napster back up and running I changed my username. I still use this nick with whatever p2p application that I happen to be using at any given time, say hello to me if you happen to see me on whatever file sharing proggie you use, my username is "larscanlickmyballs".
I am looking SO forward to downloading St. Anger and NOT paying for it. Whether or not I actually listen to it or not remains to be seen, the little wee bit I've heard so far sounded like Ministry to me and when I want to listen to Ministry I'll just bust out some Ministry thank you very much.
smooches,
» Phy³ . . .
I gave up on them when I fired up Napster one day & got the message "you have been banned from using Napster by Metallica..." etc. That very day I unsubscribed to their newsletter & vowed to NEVER give them another thin dime outta my pocket. What clinched it for me though was Lars' answer in an interview when asked if we wasn't afraid of aliennating the fans & he said something to the effect "we've got enough fans already..." I had to agree with him, they don't need me as a fan.
What really makes my bacon angry is that when they started out they built their careers on tape-trading, they had no problem at all with any/everyone swapping Kill 'Em All & Ride The Lightning, if not for trading they probably never would have made it off the ground. But then all of a sudden once they've got a taste for the bling nobody should be allowed to trade music anymore? That's total BS (imho), seems as if in fact they were biting the very hands that fed them.
So, after I hacked my reg & got my Napster back up and running I changed my username. I still use this nick with whatever p2p application that I happen to be using at any given time, say hello to me if you happen to see me on whatever file sharing proggie you use, my username is "larscanlickmyballs".
I am looking SO forward to downloading St. Anger and NOT paying for it. Whether or not I actually listen to it or not remains to be seen, the little wee bit I've heard so far sounded like Ministry to me and when I want to listen to Ministry I'll just bust out some Ministry thank you very much.
smooches,
» Phy³ . . .
B1uesummers
Reply #18 Monday, May 12, 2003 9:30 AM
Reply #18 Monday, May 12, 2003 9:30 AM
I liked them when they were nobody. Now they are rich and left me behind. Those rich bastards should burn in hell for not staying poor and true to their beginning roots. They got so big and popular and I don't like that because... well, because times change and I can't be a head banging moron forever and sooner or later have to grow up a bit and change image otherwise die an old dinosaur of the past and that is the only way they'd be remembered but since they've changed they can keep making music and get richer and that pisses me off. Damn I envy those guys but forget about it. 
Wish I could be a "sellout" I'd flash my money in front of all of you and say you are right I am selling out so what's your point?
They could turn into a hip hop group for all I care as long as it still sounds good.
Wish I could be a "sellout" I'd flash my money in front of all of you and say you are right I am selling out so what's your point?
They could turn into a hip hop group for all I care as long as it still sounds good.
KarmaGirl
Reply #19 Monday, May 12, 2003 11:41 AM
Reply #19 Monday, May 12, 2003 11:41 AM
But, it *doesn't* sound good. Once they went mainstream...they went mainstream. They became "PC" so that they would be played on the radio. Read some lyrics from Garage Inc. and you will see what I mean.
By "sell-out" I'm not talking about just the money. They sold out their whole style. They have softened up so that they will appeal to the masses. Now their music totally bites. Sounds like 90% of the other crap out there.
moshi
Reply #20 Monday, May 12, 2003 11:52 AM
Reply #20 Monday, May 12, 2003 11:52 AM
those tunes on Garage Inc. were all cover versions, so not their own lyrics anyways.
years ago i liked their old tunes, now rock music bores me anyways and i could not care less how much money those old farts make.
at least there were no "i saw them live with Cliff on the bass" posts yet
years ago i liked their old tunes, now rock music bores me anyways and i could not care less how much money those old farts make.
at least there were no "i saw them live with Cliff on the bass" posts yet
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Reply #1 Sunday, May 11, 2003 3:48 PM
They will still be viewed as good old 'rockers'