The reward!
Tuesday, May 6, 2003 by adni18 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
The only reward for an author in WinCustomize is the love of the people mainly, which is demonstrated with the downloads and the Top Author list, no doubt about it.
Now WinCustomize is trying to find out a way to control this.
I am still having the most downloads, but it doesn't saw it in the list any more, one day you may find your self in this situation too.
I know that some or many of you didn’t like to see me at the top of this list, but I have succeed it with a hard work for almost 2 years now, nobody has make me a favor for this, I may say the opposite has happen.
I was newbie once; I didn’t start from the top of this list, so I can’t understand what is all about helping the new author’s excuse, if you know what I mean.
So please, don’t try to be like me, because in the end you will get a great disappointment as the final reward for your work and your participation as an active member in WC.
After what is happening now, I have decided to stop, as long as the situation is like this.
You won’t see any more any “cheap stuff made in China from Panascanic”. (This was another reward for my work!).
I like to give my thanks to people who have have been kind with me, that was all I really needed, and I understand the reason for those that they didn’t , I don’t blame them, they just could not be different.
“With all its sham and drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world”.
Now WinCustomize is trying to find out a way to control this.
I am still having the most downloads, but it doesn't saw it in the list any more, one day you may find your self in this situation too.
I know that some or many of you didn’t like to see me at the top of this list, but I have succeed it with a hard work for almost 2 years now, nobody has make me a favor for this, I may say the opposite has happen.
I was newbie once; I didn’t start from the top of this list, so I can’t understand what is all about helping the new author’s excuse, if you know what I mean.
So please, don’t try to be like me, because in the end you will get a great disappointment as the final reward for your work and your participation as an active member in WC.
After what is happening now, I have decided to stop, as long as the situation is like this.
You won’t see any more any “cheap stuff made in China from Panascanic”. (This was another reward for my work!).
I like to give my thanks to people who have have been kind with me, that was all I really needed, and I understand the reason for those that they didn’t , I don’t blame them, they just could not be different.
“With all its sham and drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world”.
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DarkMist
Reply #102 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 4:49 AM
Reply #102 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 4:49 AM
None of this is personal to Adni and i doubt Paxx would make it that way.
Lecrayon
Reply #103 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 5:01 AM
Reply #103 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 5:01 AM
I second MadIces' idea about the hotlist. That could give a better balance between established and new talents. 
paxx
Reply #104 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 5:10 AM
Reply #104 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 5:10 AM
This is not about Adni, ok? It's neither for him or against him.
This is for everybody.
This is for everybody.
Ingui
Reply #105 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 5:18 AM
Reply #105 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 5:18 AM
I agree DM, I dont think anyone wants to disrespect him. I honestly dont. My god, look at his body of work. I wish I could unsay or resay some of my previous comment. With or without that list over there, I see adni as "untouchable". So I couldnt understand why he is upset. But reading others comments that know him and have been around longer, I maybe understand why he feels what he does. You dont have to be here long to recognize the quality and quantity of his presence. Would there be room on this site for just one more list? A list of one for now... or a few.. A "Hall of Fame" ? A "Million Club" ? Does that sound stupid? Something like it maybe?
It would recognize his achievement and tenure while the powers that be could formulate and recalculate till doomsday without disturbing that list. Just an idea, maybe it will spark others.
It would recognize his achievement and tenure while the powers that be could formulate and recalculate till doomsday without disturbing that list. Just an idea, maybe it will spark others.
Lecrayon
Reply #106 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 6:11 AM
Reply #106 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 6:11 AM
I like that idea, Hall of Fame 
Then some of the great like Nuvem can be honoured too.
Then some of the great like Nuvem can be honoured too.
Jess McGuay
Reply #107 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 6:37 AM
Reply #107 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 6:37 AM
Simple truth is ANYONE who makes a skin and ups it here is a top skinner as compared to a noskiller like myself. They could keep adding lists till everyon is happy and on one but then it would make lists even more pointless.
Maybe change the list to a diffrent name like "Popular Artists" or some such and mainly just designate the top 10 artists dl for the week or month. Nothing more. Don't let it accumillate for a yr or what ever (I'd say max at 1 month cycle would be best) Then on each items page change stats to
DL Today (for list"Todays Hot Hits" or "Weeks Top Hits")
DL for month (this would be stat used for "Popular Artist")
DL Total (for "Top Download" or "User Fav's" or some
such title)
This way if you put it on a month cycle then say a new artist shows up and just Floors us with something they have an opportunity to be seen on the Pop list and if not then someone else would be hehe.
Just my 2 cents on things
Maybe change the list to a diffrent name like "Popular Artists" or some such and mainly just designate the top 10 artists dl for the week or month. Nothing more. Don't let it accumillate for a yr or what ever (I'd say max at 1 month cycle would be best) Then on each items page change stats to
DL Today (for list"Todays Hot Hits" or "Weeks Top Hits")
DL for month (this would be stat used for "Popular Artist")
DL Total (for "Top Download" or "User Fav's" or some
such title)
This way if you put it on a month cycle then say a new artist shows up and just Floors us with something they have an opportunity to be seen on the Pop list and if not then someone else would be hehe.
Just my 2 cents on things
Frogboy
Reply #108 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 8:31 AM
Reply #108 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 8:31 AM
A little perspective here guys,
The new system is not biased against anyone. Having the system focus on downloads that come from..well WinCustomize as opposed to external links, for instance is hardly disrespectful to anyone.
As for Adni, he's #4 today. Teretog, Alexandrie, Essorant and others aren't even on the to 10 list at all. So if you're going to go down the slippery slope of implying that any system we devise should somehow garauntee some author the #1 spot because they've contributed a lot, then we might as well throw out the top authors list and have me personally decide who the top authors are.
Is that what you'd like, LayCrayon? Maybe a list that just has the top authors of all time based on our view on who has "contributed" the most to the community? Put Treetog and Dangeruss and Mercury and Shawn Murdock and Alexandrie and Essorant and Adni and a few others. Then we could just dispense with this whole new system that is actually unbiased and objective. Indeed, maybe we should dispense with fairness all together and just say that some people are more equal than others. Would that suit you well?
Probably the single biggest change in the system is that downloads have to come from people who are actually on this site, with cookies on (so that they can't duplicate downloads and get both counted). Does that sound like a system that is biased or disrespectful?
I realize that there are a lot of primadonas in any creative community. But just remember, this community is where it is today becuase of the work of a LOT of people. Adni's contributions to it are signficant. But I would not rate them at the same level as the other people I mentioned above. Except that none of them are on the top 10 list right now and he is.
The new system is not biased against anyone. Having the system focus on downloads that come from..well WinCustomize as opposed to external links, for instance is hardly disrespectful to anyone.
As for Adni, he's #4 today. Teretog, Alexandrie, Essorant and others aren't even on the to 10 list at all. So if you're going to go down the slippery slope of implying that any system we devise should somehow garauntee some author the #1 spot because they've contributed a lot, then we might as well throw out the top authors list and have me personally decide who the top authors are.
Is that what you'd like, LayCrayon? Maybe a list that just has the top authors of all time based on our view on who has "contributed" the most to the community? Put Treetog and Dangeruss and Mercury and Shawn Murdock and Alexandrie and Essorant and Adni and a few others. Then we could just dispense with this whole new system that is actually unbiased and objective. Indeed, maybe we should dispense with fairness all together and just say that some people are more equal than others. Would that suit you well?
Probably the single biggest change in the system is that downloads have to come from people who are actually on this site, with cookies on (so that they can't duplicate downloads and get both counted). Does that sound like a system that is biased or disrespectful?
I realize that there are a lot of primadonas in any creative community. But just remember, this community is where it is today becuase of the work of a LOT of people. Adni's contributions to it are signficant. But I would not rate them at the same level as the other people I mentioned above. Except that none of them are on the top 10 list right now and he is.
Jess McGuay
Reply #109 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 8:40 AM
Reply #109 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 8:40 AM
Frog, sounds to me like the way you have it set now if I read your post correctly seems a truly fair way. My comments were simply another alternative but your description of how things work now makes it moot.
To be honest, not to deflate any bubbles but I honestly don't even look at the list in question much at all and have never in 2 yrs clicked a name on the list. I do check "Top DL's" and "New additions" but never really paid any attention at all to Top Authors. This isnt meant to belittle anyone who's on it but just to point out that list is not the end all proof your good. Im much more interested in whats been dl the most to see why popular than to just dl anything made by so n so cause their considered the best.
To be honest, not to deflate any bubbles but I honestly don't even look at the list in question much at all and have never in 2 yrs clicked a name on the list. I do check "Top DL's" and "New additions" but never really paid any attention at all to Top Authors. This isnt meant to belittle anyone who's on it but just to point out that list is not the end all proof your good. Im much more interested in whats been dl the most to see why popular than to just dl anything made by so n so cause their considered the best.
Frogboy
Reply #110 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 9:01 AM
Reply #110 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 9:01 AM
»"I realize that there are a lot of primadonas in any creative community. But just remember, this community is where it is today becuase of the work of a LOT of people. Adni's contributions to it are signficant. But I would not rate them at the same level as the other people I mentioned above. Except that none of them are on the top 10 list right now and he is. "
One typo: I would not rate them HIGHER than the the contributions of others, but rather equally.
One typo: I would not rate them HIGHER than the the contributions of others, but rather equally.
Lecrayon
Reply #111 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 9:11 AM
Reply #111 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 9:11 AM
Frog, I merely responded to Paxx' question regarding what is a top author. I support any fairness, and any incentive to improve too, you should know me better by now. I support banning out botdownloads, I support featuring others people work on the feature list, finally that has changed for the better rather than having the same authors again and again. What I don't support is the negative reaction towards adni on this thread. Greece has a different culture than US. Wincustomize is having, thanks to him and the others you mentioned and all the other contributors, a great library of great quality work. I wish you responded more sober and in perspective towards me. I am not doing a crusade on putting adni back at no 1.
Lady_Akasha
Reply #112 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 11:33 AM
This is getting rather old. And BEYOND melodramatic. I just don't understand it all. Maybe cuz I'm still newer? But it is seriously getting old.
I can't see how WC trying to make something fair for everyone all around, is a cause for such melodrama? As long as fairness is involved I say great--thanks Frogboy and all the WC Admins.
We wanted change?? They're making it... still it's not good. It'll never be 'perfect'.
And I just don't see how Adni is being stripped of his worth? Everyone knows he's good, and he puts out a lot of good work. By the gods that man has over 5 mil downloads...
Some rating scale isn't going to take away the people that love his work? So what's so horrifying. Again maybe it's because I haven't been here long enough to know a lot, but it just seems all so blown out of proportion. I wish I understood how this was hurting Adni so much? I don't email/talk with the man on a personal level so I don't know him other than his work. (Which I LOVE his work!)You guys are saying English isn't his first language, and things could be misunderstood, that makes a difference. Ok, but I don't understand why everyone is calling this "Adni Bashing?"
This thread is titled "The reward!" What kind of reward are we looking for? We all freely submit our work for free... I'm not bashing just bummed and confused.
I do know all this constant drama is really sucking the life outta this place:sniff:Can't it just go back to being a fun place... 
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Reply #112 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 11:33 AM
This is getting rather old. And BEYOND melodramatic. I just don't understand it all. Maybe cuz I'm still newer? But it is seriously getting old.I can't see how WC trying to make something fair for everyone all around, is a cause for such melodrama? As long as fairness is involved I say great--thanks Frogboy and all the WC Admins.
We wanted change?? They're making it... still it's not good. It'll never be 'perfect'.
And I just don't see how Adni is being stripped of his worth? Everyone knows he's good, and he puts out a lot of good work. By the gods that man has over 5 mil downloads...
Some rating scale isn't going to take away the people that love his work? So what's so horrifying. Again maybe it's because I haven't been here long enough to know a lot, but it just seems all so blown out of proportion. I wish I understood how this was hurting Adni so much? I don't email/talk with the man on a personal level so I don't know him other than his work. (Which I LOVE his work!)You guys are saying English isn't his first language, and things could be misunderstood, that makes a difference. Ok, but I don't understand why everyone is calling this "Adni Bashing?"
This thread is titled "The reward!" What kind of reward are we looking for? We all freely submit our work for free... I'm not bashing just bummed and confused.
I do know all this constant drama is really sucking the life outta this place:sniff:Can't it just go back to being a fun place... 
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Reply #101 Wednesday, May 7, 2003 4:14 AM