A ban on fishing.
Wednesday, April 30, 2003 by Dreamdesign3d | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Just heard on the news that they just figured out that fish can feel and are trying to ban fishing. Well no shit I figured that out when I was 5 years old. If they ban fishing because it hurts well they might want to rethink Thanksgiving or deer season???
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White_Moth
Reply #2 Thursday, May 1, 2003 4:36 AM
Reply #2 Thursday, May 1, 2003 4:36 AM
Pure Stupidity.
Of course animals feel pain, if they didn't then they could not survive in a physical world.
The question for these great scholars should be, "How is that pain perceived by the fish"?
All to often, animal right's groups try to convinvce us in order to promote themselves for gain and profit oe hidden agenda, the idea that animals "think and feel as human beings" and going so far as to try and make us believe that animals are on the same spiritual plane as mankind.
Last time I checked, God didn't send his Son into the World to save animals for Eternity, but actually gave mankind the right to harvest animals for food.
We as pet owners do give our loved pets a "human" distinction, and the Veterinary Industry knows and capatalizes upon this, but their agenda is open and useful.
My question is, "What is the true agenda behind animal rights and their promoters and supporters"?
Of course animals feel pain, if they didn't then they could not survive in a physical world.
The question for these great scholars should be, "How is that pain perceived by the fish"?
All to often, animal right's groups try to convinvce us in order to promote themselves for gain and profit oe hidden agenda, the idea that animals "think and feel as human beings" and going so far as to try and make us believe that animals are on the same spiritual plane as mankind.
Last time I checked, God didn't send his Son into the World to save animals for Eternity, but actually gave mankind the right to harvest animals for food.
We as pet owners do give our loved pets a "human" distinction, and the Veterinary Industry knows and capatalizes upon this, but their agenda is open and useful.
My question is, "What is the true agenda behind animal rights and their promoters and supporters"?
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #3 Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:00 AM
Reply #3 Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:00 AM
Causing pain to animals for fun - must make people feel really good about themselves. Animals have as much right to live on this planet as humans. Only self-righteous human arrogance thinks otherwise.
It is quite clear from the views of some that man has barely evolved from his primitive origins.
It is quite clear from the views of some that man has barely evolved from his primitive origins.
EventHorizon
Reply #4 Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:04 AM
Reply #4 Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:04 AM
*Aggrees with sagire* and I can tell you one thing more...I am no Tree-hugger. 
(Has a feeling that this could turn into a nasty debate) 
(Has a feeling that this could turn into a nasty debate) 
IPlural
Reply #5 Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:14 AM
Reply #5 Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:14 AM
Well at least they cleaned the sludge out between their ears on that question of Fish feeling pain. Geesh, about 16 years back it was understood that plants feel and react though they got stumped on if it is actual pain or just a release of energy when you snap or tear a living Leaf from a plant and it emits a scream (as they labled it) so high pitched dogs can not hear it.
I'll feel bad for the Blackened Cajun Red Fish, Garlic Lemon spiced Snook and or Grouper Fingers as I dip them into my mouth.
Banning Fishing in a state like Florida would never pass. Though they should ban Fining hands down and let the Sharks make a come back.
I'll feel bad for the Blackened Cajun Red Fish, Garlic Lemon spiced Snook and or Grouper Fingers as I dip them into my mouth.Banning Fishing in a state like Florida would never pass. Though they should ban Fining hands down and let the Sharks make a come back.
White_Moth
Reply #6 Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:23 AM
Reply #6 Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:23 AM
It isn't "FUN" to clean and dress an animal, not even fish, at least not to me.
So, gathering food from animals is a time when I give thanks and show as much mercy as possible, which an animal cannot do.
So, gathering food from animals is a time when I give thanks and show as much mercy as possible, which an animal cannot do.
White_Moth
Reply #7 Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:36 AM
Reply #7 Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:36 AM
But I do have a problem with "Sport Fishing" - "Catch and Release". For I feel this activity diminishes the Grace and Mercy of our Humanity, and sends a message that it is ok to take life for fun. I don't recall being given that right.
White_Moth
Reply #8 Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:40 AM
Reply #8 Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:40 AM
I must add before it's too late, "to also cause needless pain and suffering for the sake of sport".
Jess McGuay
Reply #9 Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:55 AM
Reply #9 Thursday, May 1, 2003 5:55 AM
...its the "for the sake of sport" I dislike anyway. One thing to hunt and kill an animal for food another to hunt a deer just cause you want its "Rack" on your wall.
Fuzzy Logic: Its not that we have barely evolved more like we de-evolved in the Conciuos (sp) while evolving intellectually since at least way way back man understood he was part of something larger. Now we have the arrogance of we are the only thing on planet with religion and our religion says we own and can kill anything we want and we have an opposable thumb to prove it mentality.
Yes animals kill other animals...usually for food and occationally for defense, sometimes over mateing and very rarely for FUN or their own kind, humans kill for food, in defense and offensivly as well when angered,kill over minor gerivences as well as serious ones, will kill one man over another mans wife and often for Fun. Somehow seems the animals are smarter in the end.
Fuzzy Logic: Its not that we have barely evolved more like we de-evolved in the Conciuos (sp) while evolving intellectually since at least way way back man understood he was part of something larger. Now we have the arrogance of we are the only thing on planet with religion and our religion says we own and can kill anything we want and we have an opposable thumb to prove it mentality.
Yes animals kill other animals...usually for food and occationally for defense, sometimes over mateing and very rarely for FUN or their own kind, humans kill for food, in defense and offensivly as well when angered,kill over minor gerivences as well as serious ones, will kill one man over another mans wife and often for Fun. Somehow seems the animals are smarter in the end.
White_Moth
Reply #10 Thursday, May 1, 2003 6:17 AM
Reply #10 Thursday, May 1, 2003 6:17 AM
Your right Jess,
.....Mankind has the ability to freely choose how he will use his bestowed gifts as a human being, and all too often a few will choose to abuse those gifts to the utmost degree.
But it is our personal actions of free choice as individuals that we will answer for in the end as created creatures of - Mankind.
.....Mankind has the ability to freely choose how he will use his bestowed gifts as a human being, and all too often a few will choose to abuse those gifts to the utmost degree.
But it is our personal actions of free choice as individuals that we will answer for in the end as created creatures of - Mankind.
Jess McGuay
Reply #11 Thursday, May 1, 2003 6:27 AM
Reply #11 Thursday, May 1, 2003 6:27 AM
Mankind + Animalkind + Plantkind = Worldkind hehe. We all share the same home and of all 3 alot of times think we (mankind) are the infection or pest as we above all others destry the planet for all kinds. I may sound weird but can't help but fear what we have done and continue to do to the Earth that houses us all.
BoBoMoe
Reply #12 Thursday, May 1, 2003 7:45 AM
Reply #12 Thursday, May 1, 2003 7:45 AM
If PETA had their way they wouldn't allow herding dogs to herd anymore!
I'm a carnivore give me a thick juicy steak!
I'm a carnivore give me a thick juicy steak!
mooshoo
Reply #16 Thursday, May 1, 2003 8:38 AM
Reply #16 Thursday, May 1, 2003 8:38 AM
I swear those peta members just want attention... they have no true beliefes so they dicede to go against their own race
Jess McGuay
Reply #17 Thursday, May 1, 2003 9:04 AM
Reply #17 Thursday, May 1, 2003 9:04 AM
Hey now, I said there was a diffrence tween hunting to eat and sports hunting. All need to eat but to kill for the simple joy of killing is a bit diffrent in my book. How is that "going against ones own race"?Im not sure but think I did learn in biology...way way WAY back in HS, that there was only one other creature that does kill for sport besides man. Food=Yes, For fun=Cruel
Doesnt change the fact that man is much more distructive to the world than any other creature on it,hehe.
Doesnt change the fact that man is much more distructive to the world than any other creature on it,hehe.
Bangkokboy
Reply #18 Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:04 AM
Reply #18 Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:04 AM
Fuzzy L - i don't mind being lectured about animal rights, but i did want to ask you to recheck and be sure you've fully rid the house of all leather belts, shoes, boots, furniture, bookmarks, jackets, etc. etc., along with all nonvegeterian foodstuffs. Thanks!
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #19 Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:22 AM
Reply #19 Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:22 AM
I never said I was a vegetarian. Please do not mis-quote me. What I am against is using animals for 'entertainment' whether harmful or not. All carnivores/omnivores eat other animals for food, it's the way nature designed the animal to function (including humans).
All inhabitants of this planet have a right to dignity and 'humane' (odd word...) treatment. Each should be treated with respect. It's strange how man is the cruellest animal on Earth but yet is the only one with an ability to show compassion and kindness. It's a pity some make the wrong choice. Some are more evolved than others it would seem.
Try to keep religion to the other thread - but that's another example of primitive human behavior. It falls in that area between becoming sentient and discovering identity. I find religious statement hilarious but also disturbing - it displays an inability to grasp reality.
All inhabitants of this planet have a right to dignity and 'humane' (odd word...) treatment. Each should be treated with respect. It's strange how man is the cruellest animal on Earth but yet is the only one with an ability to show compassion and kindness. It's a pity some make the wrong choice. Some are more evolved than others it would seem.
Try to keep religion to the other thread - but that's another example of primitive human behavior. It falls in that area between becoming sentient and discovering identity. I find religious statement hilarious but also disturbing - it displays an inability to grasp reality.
wombat_1
Reply #20 Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:25 AM
Reply #20 Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:25 AM
I'm a Pisces.
I've done my share of fishing (underwater) and hunting (mostly ducks) and often cleaning up injured animals shot by people who couldn't hit the side of a barn with a Vulcan gun ..... a Kangaroo frozen in a spotlight just stands there and these morons still couldn't get off a clean head shot!
As for fish, try watching a Japanese long liner hauling sharks aboard and cutting off the tail and fins, then throwing the complete fish, alive and kicking overboard .... then we have the so-called 'Whaling Industry', and just for an extra bonus, the clubbing to death of Fur Seal pups!
I'm no vegetarian and I'm not a radical greenie .... but there is NO reason for any of this to take place.
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I've done my share of fishing (underwater) and hunting (mostly ducks) and often cleaning up injured animals shot by people who couldn't hit the side of a barn with a Vulcan gun ..... a Kangaroo frozen in a spotlight just stands there and these morons still couldn't get off a clean head shot!
As for fish, try watching a Japanese long liner hauling sharks aboard and cutting off the tail and fins, then throwing the complete fish, alive and kicking overboard .... then we have the so-called 'Whaling Industry', and just for an extra bonus, the clubbing to death of Fur Seal pups!
I'm no vegetarian and I'm not a radical greenie .... but there is NO reason for any of this to take place.
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Reply #1 Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:47 PM