What happen to the skins? :(

Sunday, March 27, 2016 by Yearout | Discussion: WindowBlinds

Well I've supported Stardock up to this day for YEARS. So looking at skins.. WOW.. almost every page has 4+ selling. Now go back just 100 pages.. you might see ONE selling. And then most of those were AWESOME skins.. now its just .. not ART just greed. Well windowblinds is NOT what it use to be and seeing skins go for $5 (reg) up to $7+.. its a joke almost a insult. People can sell what ever they want.

Its like people trying to get the last drop of water out of the tap..in the end you just hurt this more then help.

 

 

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billstelling
Reply #41 Sunday, April 17, 2016 11:22 AM

Well, it's nice to know that what was once a hobby, and something enthusiasts were into, has turned into full blown job for some. Nice.. I guess I will just just have to start creating my own stuff for Windowblinds, problem solved..

A nice grown  up debate on it would have been nice though. The point I was trying to get across is that there is a fine line with pricing and that keeping things withing a certain price range will generate much more sales than if you go above that range. There are all sorts of papers written on it that cover the best price range for a multitude of products and service types. I want the creators to maximize their profits and to do as well as they can for all the effort the put into these. My point being that if you get the pricing correct, and the product is seen as a value buy, you tend to generate sales 10 fold over a price deemed to high.

Yes, the profit margin  is lower but the increase in sales far outweigh the reduction in price. There is a fine line between giving something away and on the other hand it being priced so high it generates very little sales. A balance must be found and there is a lot of info out there today to help a dev find the sweet spot.

Gaspershooters
Reply #42 Sunday, April 17, 2016 12:01 PM

Solely on Windowblinds part,the market is small therefore slowing the prices does not guarantee sale boost,so to speak.  

DaveBax
Reply #43 Sunday, April 17, 2016 12:44 PM

What I can't understand. If the people that think Master skin prices are to high just don't buy them. Anyone here for a while should know they aren't going to go for a dollar. So just let it go, it's that simple. Why people worry and bitch about things they have no control or can't change is beyond me.

Here is an approx price example for selling a Windowblind for $1.00. At the one dollar price a person selling their skins would have to sell 223 Windowblinds to make the same as they would make selling them at $4.95 and having 42 people purchase them. There aren't 223 people here that would buy them at any price. Now take into account this is based on the actual return for the skin maker. 

There are so many important things in life to think and worry about. The price of a Master should not be on that list.

Jafo
Reply #44 Sunday, April 17, 2016 5:50 PM

BillStelling

Well, it's nice to know that what was once a hobby, and something enthusiasts were into, has turned into full blown job for some. Nice.. I guess I will just just have to start creating my own stuff for Windowblinds, problem solved..
A nice grown up debate on it would have been nice though. The point I was trying to get across is that there is a fine line with pricing and that keeping things withing a certain price range will generate much more sales than if you go above that range. There are all sorts of papers written on it that cover the best price range for a multitude of products and service types. I want the creators to maximize their profits and to do as well as they can for all the effort the put into these. My point being that if you get the pricing correct, and the product is seen as a value buy, you tend to generate sales 10 fold over a price deemed to high.
Yes, the profit margin is lower but the increase in sales far outweigh the reduction in price. There is a fine line between giving something away and on the other hand it being priced so high it generates very little sales. A balance must be found and there is a lot of info out there today to help a dev find the sweet spot.

There is always an assumption that if a person thinks a price is too high [for them] then it MUST be wrong.

If you don't like the price, or don't want to pay whatever it is, that does not actually mean the price point is wrong.  It simply means you either are ignorant of the costs involved or simply do not value/appreciate the product's worth.

Back to my simple analogy.  How pray tell is anything commercially viable when the price is 1 cent but the product's packaging costs 2 cents alone?  3 cents means there is still no 'margin'....so you price it at 4.  Along comes someone who claims...but it's only 'worth' one cent....why is it 4?

 

Answer...

You simply do not see its value...so don't buy it.

....and it is not a commodity...an essential like bread or milk.  it's an art form, and anyone who has made a skin will tell you the work involved is worth a damn sight more than the pricing asked.

When I first started skinning my internet access cost me $2 per hour....every hour....at dial-up speed [33.6].  No-one paid me my overheads for publicly making my skins accessible online.  My most recent 'skin' is a paint kit for an aircraft in FSX.  It has taken several hours per day every day since 15th of Feb, 2016.

 The image is per-pixel high resolution....92 layers and PSP6 sees it at 2966 meg. I'd value its 'cost' at around $20,000.  I won't be releasing the full version at all, only a 'simplified' version that's a 65 meg file with about 10 layers....so others can skin the aircraft using it.  I'd imagine the world-wide market for the full kit would probably be countable on the fingers of one hand, no matter how much was charged for it...so there is no point doing so.  Instead, I take requests for skins. 

But that's my choice, not dictated to me by people who don't appreciate/value the effort involved....

 

Jafo
Reply #45 Sunday, April 17, 2016 5:53 PM

 

One of the paints created with my paint kit.

DaveBax
Reply #46 Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:33 PM

One cool snake. I meant plane. I mean both.

mrtabby
Reply #47 Sunday, April 17, 2016 8:22 PM

..just thought i would mention here how grateful i am.. Thank YOU to tha artists!! I love windowblinds!

DaveBax
Reply #48 Sunday, April 17, 2016 9:16 PM

mrtabby

..just thought i would mention here how grateful i am.. Thank YOU to tha artists!! I love windowblinds!

Speaking for myself and I'm sure the others would agree. Thank you.

neone6
Reply #49 Sunday, April 17, 2016 11:12 PM

DaveBax

Quoting mrtabby,

..just thought i would mention here how grateful i am.. Thank YOU to tha artists!! I love windowblinds!



Speaking for myself and I'm sure the others would agree. Thank you.

Oh yess

Victechnical
Reply #50 Monday, April 18, 2016 10:13 AM

BillStelling

Well, it's nice to know that what was once a hobby, and something enthusiasts were into, has turned into full blown job for some. Nice.. I guess I will just just have to start creating my own stuff for Windowblinds, problem solved..

 

I enjoyed the early days when there were many more "enthusiast" skinners who offered their skins for free, but it's worth noting that many of those early skins had flaws and I stopped using them fairly quickly.  "The devil is in the details" and what distinguishes the best skins (and makes them worth buying) is every aspect works properly; that makes them usable long term instead of just curiosities. 

Victechnical
Reply #51 Monday, April 18, 2016 10:23 AM

It's an art form, and anyone who has made a skin will tell you the work involved is worth a damn sight more than the pricing asked.

My most recent 'skin' is a paint kit for an aircraft in FSX.  It has taken several hours per day every day since 15th of Feb, 2016.

 

People who don't do graphics design have no way of knowing what goes into it; you have to educate them.

Jafo
Reply #52 Monday, April 18, 2016 10:42 AM

Victechnical

People who don't do graphics design have no way of knowing what goes into it; you have to educate them.

You noticed....

Yes....those who can....do.....and those who can't....criticize...

You ain't lived until you have tracked down that errant pixel in a compound image made from 6 separate 'channels' each having 16 million pixels....

Fuzzy Logic
Reply #53 Monday, April 18, 2016 1:44 PM

It's not a real skin unless you made it one pixel at a time in MS paint...

LightStar
Reply #54 Monday, April 18, 2016 2:31 PM

Fuzzy Logic

It's not a real skin unless you made it one pixel at a time in MS paint...

 

Yikes! 

Uvah
Reply #55 Monday, April 18, 2016 6:58 PM

I once made a skin in MSpaint some years ago. It was for sysmetrix and one of the responses I got when I posted the pic was "It would be a nightmare with all the curves" The name was Emerald.

RaymondLC92
Reply #56 Tuesday, April 26, 2016 7:06 AM

My thoughts:

I purchased a goddamned subscription just to bypass goddamned download limits.
It's highway fucking robbery, WinCustomize used to be filled to the BRIM with countless skins of every variety.

I refuse to pay $7 for a goddamned skin, especially when 90% of the skins available for purchase or otherwise have been reduced to unstable crap.

I refuse. WindowsBlinds is dead to me and I will not be renewing my ObjectDesktop/WinCustomize Subscriptions.

I will keep my existing Start10 license that is all. 

Jafo
Reply #57 Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:12 AM

RaymondLC92

I refuse to pay $7 for a goddamned skin, especially when 90% of the skins available for purchase or otherwise have been reduced to unstable crap.

None of the skins is 'goddamned' <-  whatever that is attempting to pass as communication.

If you do not want to pay $7 for a skin... do what others of similar mind do...and don't.

None of the skins is 'unstable crap'.  What CAN BE SEEN as such is the public Beta that is [still] Windows 10.

Also do what others do...and don't come and complain like a spoilt child as if you can influence the price.

ALMonty
Reply #58 Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:21 AM

Do people realize that if your a Wincustomize subscriber you get 20% off of Master skins. If you can't afford $7.00 then your in the wrong hobby.

DJpuppycat
Reply #59 Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:53 AM

CHEAP BASTARDS ...

billstelling
Reply #60 Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:59 PM

ARROGANT BASTARDS ...

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